The Official 2011 Cammo Mock Draft Thread

[Jazzfan12]

There hasn't been a team in the last 20 years that won the title with one of their two best players being a point guard. Four out of the last five teams won the title with average to terrible point guards. It really seems to be the least important position in basketball.

[vincecarter4pres]

There hasn't been a team in the last 20 years that won the title with one of their two best players being a point guard. Four out of the last five teams won the title with average to terrible point guards. It really seems to be the least important position in basketball.

I know Detroit was the anomaly title team, but Chauncey Billups?

And Tony Parker and Rajon Rondo are average point guards?

I honestly agree with your main point, that it doesn't take a top top point guard to win it and it's a lot rarer that a team with their best player being a point guard wins the title, but you're really hyperboling this one up.

[Cammo101]

There hasn't been a team in the last 20 years that won the title with one of their two best players being a point guard. Four out of the last five teams won the title with average to terrible point guards. It really seems to be the least important position in basketball.

A) Chauncey Billups. Detroit Pistons best player when they won a title.

B) This is an incredibly flawed stat because of the amount of rings won by Phil Jackson's triangle teams in that span. Jackson's offense is the one offense where point guards are minimized. Also, those teams were so stacked that they made up for a lack of star point guard play. Look further back and you will see teams led by guys like Magic and Isiah winning tons of titles.

[Jazzfan12]

There hasn't been a team in the last 20 years that won the title with one of their two best players being a point guard. Four out of the last five teams won the title with average to terrible point guards. It really seems to be the least important position in basketball.

I know Detroit was the anomaly title team, but Chauncey Billups?

And Tony Parker and Rajon Rondo are average point guards?

I honestly agree with your main point, that it doesn't take a top top point guard to win it and it's a lot rarer that a team with their best player being a point guard wins the title, but you're really hyperboling this one up.

Ben Wallace was the best player on the team, Rondo was pretty bad the year the Celtics won the title. Fisher and White Chocolate were other starting point guards who've won titles recently. Every position is important...But I don't see point guard being as important as the others.

[detroitKG]

There hasn't been a team in the last 20 years that won the title with one of their two best players being a point guard. Four out of the last five teams won the title with average to terrible point guards. It really seems to be the least important position in basketball.

I know Detroit was the anomaly title team, but Chauncey Billups?

And Tony Parker and Rajon Rondo are average point guards?

I honestly agree with your main point, that it doesn't take a top top point guard to win it and it's a lot rarer that a team with their best player being a point guard wins the title, but you're really hyperboling this one up.

Ben Wallace was the best player on the team, Rondo was pretty bad the year the Celtics won the title. Fisher and White Chocolate were other starting point guards who've won titles recently. Every position is important...But I don't see point guard being as important as the others.

Um NO
As a detroit fan Billups > Big Ben sorry bud
The proof? When Ben left we were still making deep runs in the playoffs..
When Billups got traded away well yea the team fell apart...

[Cammo101]

Can you breakdown Miller, Gilchrist, and Middleton for me? Hopefully more than just a single line for each.

Sure, although I am pretty sure you just want to troll it and look for spelling and punctuation mistakes.

Miller is a smooth athlete with great height for being a SF at 6'9''. Think poor man's Kevin Durant. Though he is coming off an ACL injury. Miller definately has the highest upside of the three guys, but he is also the least proven. He is the only one of the three who likely has the skill set to be an elite type scorer at the NBA level. Kind of reminds of guys like TMac or Durant as far as his measurables and skillset go. Though it is obviously unlikely he hits that rarified air.

Gilchrist lacks the big upside of Miller, but he is much more ready to play right this second in college or at the NBA level. He is more physically mature than any other player ib his draft class. Gilchrist is a very good defender who likely will hang his hat on defense at the NBA level. He reminds me a lot of a guy like Shane Battier with his defense and smart, team style of play. He likely will never be an elite scorer at the NBA level, but he is pretty likely to be a good player on good teams. A glue guy type. Think Battier or Jason Richardson.

Middleton is somewhere in between the two above. He has all the skills to be a good scorer and defender at the NBA level, but probably not great. He has a very good mid range game and an improving long range jumper. He struggled with FSU's height in the NCAA tourney, which raised some concerns, but he should be one of the better scorers in the nation next season. Middleton should be one of the best returning players in the nation next year and if he continues to improve, he should be a lotto pick. Reminds me somewhat of Ronnie Brewer and Jordan Hamilton.

With all this said, clearly these are young players and we are projecting a long ways out. It is impossible to know for sure how guys like this will develop with any kind of certainty. A lot depends on their mental makeup, though by all accounts that does not appear to be a problem for any of these three guys.

[Casperkid23]

Can you breakdown Miller, Gilchrist, and Middleton for me? Hopefully more than just a single line for each.

Sure, although I am pretty sure you just want to troll it and look for spelling and punctuation mistakes.

I just want to look for spelling and punctuation mistakes?

Miller is a smooth athlete with great height for being a SF at 6'9''. Think poor man's Kevin Durant. Though he is coming off an ACL injury. Miller definately has the highest upside of the three guys, but he is also the least proven. He is the only one of the three who likely has the skill set to be an elite type scorer at the NBA level. Kind of reminds of guys like TMac or Durant as far as his measurables and skillset go. Though it is obviously unlikely he hits that rarified air.

While I disagree with some of this, I can respect it. I was more trying to get at why you had this guy...

Gilchrist lacks the big upside of Miller, but he is much more ready to play right this second in college or at the NBA level. He is more physically mature than any other player ib his draft class. Gilchrist is a very good defender who likely will hang his hat on defense at the NBA level. He reminds me a lot of a guy like Shane Battier with his defense and smart, team style of play. He likely will never be an elite scorer at the NBA level, but he is pretty likely to be a good player on good teams. A glue guy type. Think Battier or Jason Richardson.

Not in Miller's tier, but in the same tier as this guy

Middleton is somewhere in between the two above. He has all the skills to be a good scorer and defender at the NBA level, but probably not great. He has a very good mid range game and an improving long range jumper. He struggled with FSU's height in the NCAA tourney, which raised some concerns, but he should be one of the better scorers in the nation next season. Middleton should be one of the best returning players in the nation next year and if he continues to improve, he should be a lotto pick. Reminds me somewhat of Ronnie Brewer and Jordan Hamilton.

You are severely underrating Gilchrist as a player. Comparing him to two guys who are quite opposite of one another - Battier and Richardson - shows that you aren't quite sure of what his role will be.

First, he is an amazing defender, so yes, the Battier comparisons are warranted in that regard. Second, he has an amazing BBIQ, so again, the Battier comparisons are warranted. Third, and this is basically where the Battier comparisons end, he's a very capable scorer, and while he won't be an elite scorer, he certainly will be far better than Battier. Why? Because he has elite handles for a guy his size and knows how to finish around the rim. You can point to his jumper as his weakness offensively, but it's night and day from his junior to senior year and I don't see why one would expect a sudden halt to its improvement - especially when he's become a reasonably efficient 3pt shooter and his jumper overall has become quite reliable. Combine that with the fact that he is one of the best at drawing contact and finishing through contact, as well as reportedly being one of the harder workers in his class, and you have yourself a guy who appears to have the skills that one would look for in a primary option.

If you were going to pick a player out of a hat to try and make a modest comparison of Ghilchrist's abilities, you would've been far better served coming up with Iggy. His style is nothing like J-Rich and quite unlike Battier.

Next, you have him down by Middleton? You call Middleton one of the best returning players next year and someone who should be one of the better scorers? Is this a joke? First, the guy is a poor defender - there's no getting around that - yet reminds you of Ronnie Brewer? Next, he has a very old-school feel to his game and while he does have a good mid-range game, he has shown absolutely no improvement to his range nor his ability to draw contact and finish at the rim. His handling is average at best, his athleticism is above average at best, and his efficiency was completely average. We're talking about a guy who struggled against top competition, not thrived. Sub .500 TS% against quality opponents for a guy whose defining trait is scoring is abysmal.

What makes you think he's going to improve to where he's worthy of a late lotto in what appears to be a strong draft?

With all this said, clearly these are young players and we are projecting a long ways out. It is impossible to know for sure how guys like this will develop with any kind of certainty. A lot depends on their mental makeup, though by all accounts that does not appear to be a problem for any of these three guys.

Yeah, this is a good thing to say after you make comments which display your lack of knowledge of the players you rank. You so heavily reliant on nbadraft.net's rankings it's not even funny.

You were correct, however. I was definitely baiting you by asking your opinion on the three players because I had a point to prove about your rankings. In the future I hope you do far more research and analysis of the players you rank instead of just coming out with new rankings every week or so because you see a spike in other draft sites rankings.

[Warspite]

wow...

Cammo thanks for your work.

Casperkid is it possible to be bigger ass? I guess not...

[Cammo101]

wow...

Cammo thanks for your work.

Casperkid is it possible to be bigger ass? I guess not...

There's always one.

He complains about everything I post, but he is here every mock like a baby bird just waiting to be fed.

[Casperkid23]

wow...

Cammo thanks for your work.

Casperkid is it possible to be bigger ass? I guess not...

There's always one.

He complains about everything I post, but he is here every mock like a baby bird just waiting to be fed.

No response to me completely trashing your rankings of Gilchrist and Middleton?

I post in your thread because I am hoping people realize how little insight you have and pay more attention to the other mocks/boards. You literally post the most generic breakdown of players when you are asked a question.

"He complains about everything I post", "he is here every mock" - nice hyperbole.

[Cammo101]

wow...Cammo thanks for your work. Casperkid is it possible to be bigger ass? I guess not...

There's always one. He complains about everything I post, but he is here every mock like a baby bird just waiting to be fed.

No response to me completely trashing your rankings of Gilchrist and Middleton? I post in your thread because I am hoping people realize how little insight you have and pay more attention to the other mocks/boards. You literally post the most generic breakdown of players when you are asked a question. "He complains about everything I post", "he is here every mock" - nice hyperbole.

It is a noble thing you are doing bring the injustices in my mock draft to light. The people need their heroes after all. My rankings needed a good trashing, and you were just the man to selflessly step up to the plate and trash away.

I considered responding with "na uh" in large letters, but last night was a late night so I decided against it. I think you are wrong, you think I am. The only difference between us is that I am cool with you having a differing opinion. Thinking of any opinion of how a 17 year old kid will transition to the NBA as some sort of set in stone unarguable fact is just dumb IMO.

I have been doing this on here for a while now. Most of the people who read this thread know that I have a pretty solid track record. Sadly, the people who call me an idiot for doing things like ranking Durant over Oden or Brook Lopez over OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose over Michael Beasley always seem to dissapear after the fact. I guess it comes with the territory though.

[Casperkid23]

I considered responding with "na uh" in large letters, but last night was a late night so I decided against it. I think you are wrong, you think I am. The only difference between us is that I am cool with you having a differing opinion. Thinking of any opinion of how a 17 year old kid will transition to the NBA as some sort of set in stone unarguable fact is just dumb IMO.

Apparently you don't like to debate about prospects when someone challenges your (in my eyes) weak opinion of them. You don't want to back up why you believe you are correct in ranking the players the way you are. You only want to say "hey man, I ranked them like this and we should both be cool with it".

My take on why you choose to do so? Because you don't have a lot of insight on the majority of the players you rank - you just like to spam rankings on your blog.

[Gremz]

You say Potato and I say stop talking about potatoes.

[Cammo101]

I considered responding with "na uh" in large letters, but last night was a late night so I decided against it. I think you are wrong, you think I am. The only difference between us is that I am cool with you having a differing opinion. Thinking of any opinion of how a 17 year old kid will transition to the NBA as some sort of set in stone unarguable fact is just dumb IMO.

Apparently you don't like to debate about prospects when someone challenges your (in my eyes) weak opinion of them. You don't want to back up why you believe you are correct in ranking the players the way you are. You only want to say "hey man, I ranked them like this and we should both be cool with it".

My take on why you choose to do so? Because you don't have a lot of insight on the majority of the players you rank - you just like to spam rankings on your blog.

I will gladly debate draft stuff. That is pretty much what the entirety of this thread is. What you are doing is not debating, it is trolling, pawning off opinion as fact, and saying anyone who disagrees obviously just threw darts at a wall.

If you disagree with my mocks or ratings or whatever, that's fine. No one is forcing you to keep coming in here. But, it is kind of insulting to the intelligence of the rest of the people in this thread that you feel the need to save them from themselves and the terrible tragedy of ingesting my posts. You seem to throw around a lot of claims here, but I am the one with a track record over multiple drafts. You are just some guy who popped up a few weeks again and started trolling a thread.

[Casperkid23]

I asked you to back up why you had Middleton in the same tier as Gilchrist, why you think Middleton will improve on an underwhelming sophomore year. I asked you to back it up with reasoning, with insight. You coming up with the comparisons you did for the two players needs some explaining. I explained why I believe they aren't apt and questioned yours.

I guess questioning someone else's knowledge is trolling. I'm genuinely trying to figure out why you have players slotted as you do. Right now, I firmly believe it's solely because of how other draft sites rank the players.

Your "track record"? You mean the one where you attempted to take credit for being the first to move Roy up when you were shown to follow the rankings change of the major draft sites? You're bragging about Rose over Beasley? You had Beasley #1 until after the tournament - again after all the major draft sites had already flipped their rankings.

But hey, keep hanging on the one line I said out of the hundreds I wrote: "I post in your thread because I am hoping people realize how little insight you have and pay more attention to the other mocks/boards." Please focus on Gilchrist vs. Middleton and your reasoning - not the pointless **** you keep focusing on.

[Cammo101]

In my last 2012 Big Board I had Gilchrist #6 and Middleton #15 (see page 22 of this thread). I would hardly say I rate them in the same tier. I suspect you are talking about the mock draft though, which is not about where I rate guys as much as where I expect them to be picked given the info I have. Even with them being 2 picks apart, it does not necessarily put them in the same tier. Gilchrist only falls to #11 in that 2012 mock because of the derth of bigs in next year's draft. I'd say #11 is where that second tier ends in that particular mock draft. This percieved idea that I have Middleton and Gilchrtist as some sort of coin toss is not accurate. So let me be very clear here. Gilchrist is a very good prospect. One that should go in the lotto and clearly on a higher level from Khris Middleton at the moment. But, his stock in the eyes of a lot of people has been dropping slowly over time as other guys move ahead of him. Gilchrist was once the slam dunk #1 player in this class and now is no lock to be a top 5 player in the class. He is now seen more as a glue guy, solid starter (like Battier or JRich) and not a star player at the NBA level.

I don't see that Middleton had an underwhelming sophomore season at all. He averaged 14.5 and 5.5 a game. Doubling his scoring numbers from his freshman year. He improved greatly from his freshman season to his sophomore. There is no reason to think with his athleticism and skill set, that he will not continue to grow.

Again, you are talking about where I mocked Beasley and Roy, not where I had them in my Big Board. Not the same thing. Anyone on this board at the time of those drafts heard me very outspoken in support of both Rose and Roy (and Jameer, and Brook Lopez, and Durant...).

I could not tell you where a guy is rated on either nbadraft.net or DX's mock drafts most of the time. I use those sites to get info on players and to swipe their draft orders (because it is quicker and saves me time). What is funny is that I get accused to rating a guy somewhere based on one site or the others mock every so often, but usually most guys are not in the same place on both mocks so it is kind of impossible to steal 2 pretty different mock draft's player ratings. It seems when someone does not like where a player is rated on one of my mocks or big boards, they figure out which site I am closer to and just assume that is the one I stole from today.

[Casperkid23]

In my last 2012 Big Board I had Gilchrist #6 and Middleton #15 (see page 22 of this thread). I would hardly say I rate them in the same tier. I suspect you are talking about the mock draft though, which is not about where I rate guys as much as where I expect them to be picked given the info I have. Even with them being 2 picks apart, it does not necessarily put them in the same tier. Gilchrist only falls to #11 in that 2012 mock because of the derth of bigs in next year's draft.

What you said regarding your 2012 "mock draft":

I was not too concerned with team fit because the draft is so far out.

Gilchrist falls to #11 because of the "dearth of bigs", but you are not concerned with fit? Okay, I could understand that...

But if you want me to believe that your last 2012 board is what I should go by, then Beal and Kabongo certainly look out of place in comparison to what you're trying to tell me about Gilchrist.

You also had John Jenkins ahead of him in the mock you did nearly two weeks ago, and Tony Mitchell slightly behind, but apparently those two guys ruined their stocks after the season ended - couldn't be because they fell in certain mocks.

I'd say #11 is where that second tier ends in that particular mock draft. This percieved idea that I have Middleton and Gilchrtist as some sort of coin toss is not accurate. So let me be very clear here. Gilchrist is a very good prospect. One that should go in the lotto and clearly on a higher level from Khris Middleton at the moment.

Good to hear.

But, his stock in the eyes of a lot of people has been dropping slowly over time as other guys move ahead of him. Gilchrist was once the slam dunk #1 player in this class and now is no lock to be a top 5 player in the class.

I'm fine with your viewpoint on this as well. Obviously others (like Miller, Davis, Rivers) have risen (some from obscurity), I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing this:

He is now seen more as a glue guy, solid starter (like Battier or JRich) and not a star player at the NBA level.

Maybe you see that, but the majority of others don't. And I am not understanding the logic of why you believe he's seen as a glue guy, solid starter (please stop comparing him to Battier and JRich - even if you are now only saying so to compare roles). So... why do you think this? Is it because he knows how to play defense and thus must be pigeonholed into the role? Is it because he can handle the ball extremely well for his position, because he's one of the best slashers in his class, because his jumper is improving (despite still having odd mechanics), because he's an elite athlete?

I don't see that Middleton had an underwhelming sophomore season at all. He averaged 14.5 and 5.5 a game. Doubling his scoring numbers from his freshman year. He improved greatly from his freshman season to his sophomore. There is no reason to think with his athleticism and skill set, that he will not continue to grow.

First, Sloan and Davis both left - two big parts of their 09-10 team. Doubling his scoring average is basically what was expected - it's the fact that he didn't raise his efficiency, didn't improve his range, and didn't make improvements defensively (as well as struggling quite a bit against the better teams) which is the reason why you should be extremely skeptical of his ability to "continue to grow".

Again, you are talking about where I mocked Beasley and Roy, not where I had them in my Big Board. Not the same thing. Anyone on this board at the time of those drafts heard me very outspoken in support of both Rose and Roy (and Jameer, and Brook Lopez, and Durant...).

No, I'm talking about your big board.

I could not tell you where a guy is rated on either nbadraft.net or DX's mock drafts most of the time. I use those sites to get info on players and to swipe their draft orders (because it is quicker and saves me time). What is funny is that I get accused to rating a guy somewhere based on one site or the others mock every so often, but usually most guys are not in the same place on both mocks so it is kind of impossible to steal 2 pretty different mock draft's player ratings. It seems when someone does not like where a player is rated on one of my mocks or big boards, they figure out which site I am closer to and just assume that is the one I stole from today.

No, you get accused when your stark changes in rankings match up perfectly with what another single site did.

I'm glad you think Gilchrist is a very good prospect and that Khris Middleton is clearly not in his class, I just wish you were far more original in how your rankings move and/or had much more substance in your posts as far as reasoning.

[Cammo101]

4/16/11 (Official Draft Order)

1. Minnesota - Derrick Williams (6'9'', PF, Arizona, Soph.)
2. Cleveland - Kyrie Irving (6'2'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
3. Toronto - Harrison Barnes (6'8'', SF, North Carolina, Fresh.)
4. Washington - Enes Kanter (6'11'', PF, Turkey)
5. Sacramento - Jan Vesely (6'11'', SF, Czech Republic)
6. Utah - Jonas Valanciunas (6'10'', C, Lithuania)
7. Detroit - Bismack Biyombo (6'9'', PF, Congo)
8. Cleveland - Alec Burks (6'6'', SG, Colorado, Soph.)
9. Charlotte - Brandon Knight (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
10. Milwaukee - Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', PF, Lithuania)
11. Golden State - Terrence Jones (6'9'', SF, Kentucky, Fresh.)
12. Utah - Kemba Walker (6'0'', PG, UConn, Jr.)
13. Phoenix - Marcus Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
14. Houston - Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)
15. Indiana - Jimmer Fredette (6'2'', PG, BYU, Sr.)
16. Philadelphia - Tristan Thompson (6'9'', PF, Texas, Fresh.)
17. New York - Markieff Morris (6'10'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
18. Washington - Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF, San Diego State, Soph.)
19. Charlotte - Kenneth Faried (6'8'', PF, Morehead State, Sr.)
20. Minnesota - Nikola Mirotic (6'10'', PF, Montenegro)
21. Portland - Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
22. Denver - Tyler Honeycutt (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
23. Houston - Chris Singleton (6'8'', SF, Florida State, Jr.)
24. Oklahoma City - Justin Harper (6'10'', PF, Richmond, Sr.)
25. Boston - Kyle Singler (6'9'', SF, Duke, Sr.)
26. Dallas - Tobias Harris (6'8'', SF, Tennessee, Fresh.)
27. New Jersey - Jeffery Taylor (6'6'', SF, Vanderbilt, Jr.)
28. Chicago - Trey Thompkins (6'9'', PF, Georgia, Jr.)
29. San Antonio - Jeremy Tyler (6'10'', PF, USA)
30. Chicago - Travis Leslie (6'4'', SF, Georgia, Jr.)

31. Miami - Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
32. Cleveland - Jon Leuer (6'10'', PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
33. Detroit - Reggie Jackson (6'3'', SG, Boston College, Jr.)
34. Washington - Josh Selby (6'2'', SG, Kansas, Fresh.)
35. Sacramento - Nolan Smith (6'3'', SG, Duke, Sr.)
36. New Jersey - JaJuan Johnson (6'10'', PF, Purdue, Sr.)
37. LA Clippers - Scottie Hopson (6'7'', SF, Tennessee, Jr.)
38. Houston - Malcolm Lee (6'5'', SG, UCLA, Jr.)
39. Charlotte - Marshon Brooks (6'5'', SG, Providence, Sr.)
40. Milwaukee - Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)
41. LA Lakers - Darius Morris (6'4'', PG, Michigan, Soph.)
42. Indiana - Jamie Skeen (6'9'', PF, VCU, Sr.)
43. Chicago - Jereme Richmond (6'7'', SF, Illinois, Fresh.)
44. Golden State - Greg Smith (6'10'', C, Fresno State, Soph.)
45. New Orleans - Nikola Vucevic (6'10'', PF, USC, Jr.)
46. LA Lakers - Bojan Bogdanovic (6'7'', SF, Croatia)
47. LA Clippers - Furkan Aldemir (6'9'', PF, Turkey)
48. Atlanta - Norris Cole (6'2'', PG, Cleveland State, Sr.)
49. Memphis - Vernon Macklin (6'9'', PF, Florida, Sr.)
50. Philadelphia - Matthew Bryan-Amaning (6'8'', PF, Washington, Sr.)
51. Portland - E'Twaun Moore (6'4'', SG, Purdue, Sr.)
52. Denver - Rick Jackson (6'9'', PF, Syracuse, Sr.)
53. Orlando - Xavi Rabaseda (6'7'', SF, Spain)
54. Cleveland - Jimmy Butler (6'7'', SF, Marquette, Sr.)
55. Boston - Pablo Aguilar (6'8'', PF, Spain)
56. LA Lakers - Justin Holiday (6'6'', SF, Washington, Sr.)
57. Dallas - LaceDarius Dunn (6'4'', SG, Baylor, Sr.)
58. LA Lakers - Austin Freeman (6'4'', SG, Georgetown, Sr.)
59. San Antonio - Robin Benzing (6'9'', SF, Germany)
60. Sacramento - Charles Jenkins (6'3'', SG, Hofstra, Sr.)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspotcom

[AQuintus]

Absolutely no way that the Wolves would take Williams over Irving. Point Guard (Flynn (probably gone), Ridnour (career backup), Telfair (gone), and Rubio (down year and might not come over)) is a huge need, while Forward (Love (best player), Beasley (2nd best player), Johnson (rookie and top 5 pick), Tolliver (4th best player), Randolph (3rd best player), and Webster) is not.

[Warspite]

Its looking more and more like a 6 player draft while my Pistons have the 7th pick. I just cant buy the Bismark hype.

Cammo what do you think of the odds of kanter or Vesely dropping to 7? Im guessing about as good as Monroe dropping to 7. Its somewhat comforting to know that the teams drafting ahead are doing so because they arent very good GMs to begin with but I keep getting this sinking feeling?

I see Vesely as the guy who is all over the map. Is that just ignorance or is he that much a wildcard?