Draft Thread Continued. 2011 part two...

[pancakes3]

Yeah Williams is not 6'10. He also struggled against stiff bigmen in the college game who were simply just taller than him. I don't think he has nearly the reach of some guys like Blair.

so, the major knock against Jordan Williams as our 2nd round pick is... he's not 6'10? the only time i've actually seen JW "struggle" this season was in the 3-game stretch where Maryland lost to UNC, Miami and UVa consecutively. The UNC game was foul trouble, and the UVa game was moreso due to the fact that Sene had the game of his LIFE (luck). The Miami C, i forget his name, did a decent job checking him, but there was a ton of weak-side help that game iirc. plus the Miami guy was a 300 lber.

i'm not saying Jordan Williams is the next ed davis, but doesn't anyone think that an all-acc 1st teamer, double double averager being billed as the 3rd-to-last pick of the draft is being underrated? i know every time he faced the plumlee boys versus Duke he put up a good fight.

[closg00]

Yeah Williams is not 6'10. He also struggled against stiff bigmen in the college game who were simply just taller than him. I don't think he has nearly the reach of some guys like Blair.

so, the major knock against Jordan Williams as our 2nd round pick is... he's not 6'10? the only time i've actually seen JW "struggle" this season was in the 3-game stretch where Maryland lost to UNC, Miami and UVa consecutively. The UNC game was foul trouble, and the UVa game was moreso due to the fact that Sene had the game of his LIFE (luck). The Miami C, i forget his name, did a decent job checking him, but there was a ton of weak-side help that game iirc. plus the Miami guy was a 300 lber.

i'm not saying Jordan Williams is the next ed davis, but doesn't anyone think that an all-acc 1st teamer, double double averager being billed as the 3rd-to-last pick of the draft is being underrated? i know every time he faced the plumlee boys versus Duke he put up a good fight.

I am watching Aaron Gray of NO, a 7FT 270 pound plodder, bottom of the 2nd round pick. He's around because you need one of these guys to rebound, box-out, and give fouls...we still don't have that player....well, Seraphin's got the fouling part covered. Williams MAY/Could fill that role for use, he does have good rebounding skills.

[pancakes3]

^that's partially why i threw out BJ Mullens's name in the free agency thread. the 7 foot part is hard to find. the 260+ lbs is even harder. It looks like he gained a little toughness playing DLeague in Tulsa - enough for the Thunder to call him back up. why not take a flier out on HIM instead of some wiry 220lb euro? or Yi?

[hands11]

^that's partially why i threw out BJ Mullens's name in the free agency thread. the 7 foot part is hard to find. the 260+ lbs is even harder. It looks like he gained a little toughness playing DLeague in Tulsa - enough for the Thunder to call him back up. why not take a flier out on HIM instead of some wiry 220lb euro? or Yi?

Kind of amazing to see they have McGee listed as 7-0 252. I thought he grow to 7-1 last year anyway.

Not saying McGee is your post toughness guy but if he can add another 10 lbs, that is some decent size.

But yeah, I would like to get another strong tall center on the team. Hamady may grow into one, but its going to take a few years for him. He is listed at 7-0 235.

[Rafael122]

Harrison Barnes going back to school. ****!

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/4/18 ... h-carolina

[Benjammin]

Harrison Barnes going back to school. ****!

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/4/18 ... h-carolina

Yeah, but don't worry about it. After all, what does it matter if the Wizards draft 2 or 6, that's what the non-tank folks kept preaching. To be fair, it looks like there isn't much difference between four and seven in this draft though.

It is interesting that in a draft year that would not have been strong with everyone in, that three of the top six picks (Sullinger, Barnes, P. Jones) decided to go back to college. I hope they all have great sophomore seasons, improve their games, and have a great collegiate experience.

So where does this leave us, hoping for the international men of mystery to be actually be worth something this year.

1. PG Irving (to deal to the highest bidder, if I don't like the offer, just take D. Williams)
2. SF Williams
3. C Kanter (have to put someone here)
4. C Johnny V (see 3)
5. PF B. Biyombo (see 3 and 4)---Really, if I'm going to reach on a guy, at least give me someone with size and potential.
6. PG Kemba Walker (only to deal, if I thought Walker and Wall could play well together I'd consider moving him up)
7. SF/PF Jan Vesely (7 and 8 are interchangeable)
8. SF Terrence Jones (don't think he has declared yet)
9. PG Brandon Knight (hasn't even declared yet, probably to deal, not sure how he would play with Wall)
10. PF Donatas Motiejunas

Wow, that was painful. Obviously, this makes trading/packaging the pick a stronger option except that other teams know just how weak this draft is and will likely not give great value for the pick anyway.

[nate33]

And with the 5th pick in the draft, the Wizards select...

Jan Vesely.

[Ruzious]

Yeah Williams is not 6'10. He also struggled against stiff bigmen in the college game who were simply just taller than him. I don't think he has nearly the reach of some guys like Blair.

so, the major knock against Jordan Williams as our 2nd round pick is... he's not 6'10? the only time i've actually seen JW "struggle" this season was in the 3-game stretch where Maryland lost to UNC, Miami and UVa consecutively. The UNC game was foul trouble, and the UVa game was moreso due to the fact that Sene had the game of his LIFE (luck). The Miami C, i forget his name, did a decent job checking him, but there was a ton of weak-side help that game iirc. plus the Miami guy was a 300 lber.

i'm not saying Jordan Williams is the next ed davis, but doesn't anyone think that an all-acc 1st teamer, double double averager being billed as the 3rd-to-last pick of the draft is being underrated? i know every time he faced the plumlee boys versus Duke he put up a good fight.

I think he's got an awfully long way to go before he can compete with NBA bigs. He's short, plays below the rim, still not in good cardio shape, hasn't shown he can shoot jumpers at all, is a terrible foul shooter, doesn't have the athleticism to be a good defender, did not step up when his team needed him down the stretch. Putting up a good fight against the Plumlees doesn't cut it. He's got a lot to work on.

[Rafael122]

Harrison Barnes going back to school. ****!

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/4/18 ... h-carolina

Yeah, but don't worry about it. After all, what does it matter if the Wizards draft 2 or 6, that's what the non-tank folks kept preaching. To be fair, it looks like there isn't much difference between four and seven in this draft though.

It is interesting that in a draft year that would not have been strong with everyone in, that three of the top six picks (Sullinger, Barnes, P. Jones) decided to go back to college. I hope they all have great sophomore seasons, improve their games, and have a great collegiate experience.

So where does this leave us, hoping for the international men of mystery to be actually be worth something this year.

1. PG Irving (to deal to the highest bidder, if I don't like the offer, just take D. Williams)
2. SF Williams
3. C Kanter (have to put someone here)
4. C Johnny V (see 3)
5. PF B. Biyombo (see 3 and 4)---Really, if I'm going to reach on a guy, at least give me someone with size and potential.
6. PG Kemba Walker (only to deal, if I thought Walker and Wall could play well together I'd consider moving him up)
7. SF/PF Jan Vesely (7 and 8 are interchangeable)
8. SF Terrence Jones (don't think he has declared yet)
9. PG Brandon Knight (hasn't even declared yet, probably to deal, not sure how he would play with Wall)
10. PF Donatas Motiejunas

Wow, that was painful. Obviously, this makes trading/packaging the pick a stronger option except that other teams know just how weak this draft is and will likely not give great value for the pick anyway.

Well, we can't trade it if no one is willing to move up. What does that say about this draft? That a team is willing to trade their top 5 pick just to get out of the lottery.

I'm less concerned about the 18th pick since there's less pressure. You have to hit a home run with your top pick though. :/.

1. Williams
2. Kanter

My top two choices.

[Hoopalotta]

I have some concern that Kemba - or most point guards - aren't going to be worth as much in a trade as we'd hope if it came to that. Irving is almost surely coveted enough to negate that idea as a potential game-changer, but there's just so many teams that are set at point guard that it could be like the Darren Collison trade without much value coming back despite showing promise in the first year if we're talking Walker.

[Ruzious]

And with the 5th pick in the draft, the Wizards select...

Jan Vesely.

It could very well be him. His rebounding rate really bothers me. I guess if he shoots well enough, he can play the 3, but... can he shoot well enough? It doesn't sound like it. I'm really not enthusiastic about picking him at this point. Is he any better a prospect than a healthy Jerebko?

[Rafael122]

And with the 5th pick in the draft, the Wizards select...

Jan Vesely.

It could very well be him. His rebounding rate really bothers me. I guess if he shoots well enough, he can play the 3, but... can he shoot well enough? It doesn't sound like it. I'm really not enthusiastic about picking him at this point. Is he any better a prospect than a healthy Jerebko?

*shrugs* And what's his contract situation with the European team like? Do we really want to draft a kid in the top 5 only for him to have 2 years remaining on his contract? Maybe the Spurs can do that, but not us.

[Ruzious]

Harrison Barnes going back to school. ****!

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/4/18 ... h-carolina

Yeah, but don't worry about it. After all, what does it matter if the Wizards draft 2 or 6, that's what the non-tank folks kept preaching. To be fair, it looks like there isn't much difference between four and seven in this draft though.

It is interesting that in a draft year that would not have been strong with everyone in, that three of the top six picks (Sullinger, Barnes, P. Jones) decided to go back to college. I hope they all have great sophomore seasons, improve their games, and have a great collegiate experience.

So where does this leave us, hoping for the international men of mystery to be actually be worth something this year.

1. PG Irving (to deal to the highest bidder, if I don't like the offer, just take D. Williams)
2. SF Williams
3. C Kanter (have to put someone here)
4. C Johnny V (see 3)
5. PF B. Biyombo (see 3 and 4)---Really, if I'm going to reach on a guy, at least give me someone with size and potential.
6. PG Kemba Walker (only to deal, if I thought Walker and Wall could play well together I'd consider moving him up)
7. SF/PF Jan Vesely (7 and 8 are interchangeable)
8. SF Terrence Jones (don't think he has declared yet)
9. PG Brandon Knight (hasn't even declared yet, probably to deal, not sure how he would play with Wall)
10. PF Donatas Motiejunas

Wow, that was painful. Obviously, this makes trading/packaging the pick a stronger option except that other teams know just how weak this draft is and will likely not give great value for the pick anyway.

I suppose we could pick Biyumbo and trade Seraphin for a future 1st - as Biyumbo is basically a more talented version of Serpahin.

[Ruzious]

And with the 5th pick in the draft, the Wizards select...

Jan Vesely.

It could very well be him. His rebounding rate really bothers me. I guess if he shoots well enough, he can play the 3, but... can he shoot well enough? It doesn't sound like it. I'm really not enthusiastic about picking him at this point. Is he any better a prospect than a healthy Jerebko?

*shrugs* And what's his contract situation with the European team like? Do we really want to draft a kid in the top 5 only for him to have 2 years remaining on his contract? Maybe the Spurs can do that, but not us.

Agreed. Also agreed that Williams and Kanter are the top 2 for us. My preference is Kanter - if his knee is pronounced healthy.

[nate33]

If we end up 4th or lower, I'd definitely trade the #4 and #18 to Utah for #6 and #12

[Jay81]

next year will be a good draft no matter where we pick in the lottery. We need to suck one more year i


think. If we get the #1 pick and get Williams..we may end up making the playoffs


Minnesota
Harrison Barnes
6-8
215
SF
North Carolina
Fr.
2
Cleveland
James McAdoo
6-9
223
SF/PF
North Carolina
HSSr.
3
Toronto
Perry Jones
6-11
235
SF/PF
Baylor
Fr.
4
Washington
Austin Rivers
6-4
198
PG/SG
Duke
HSSr.
5
Sacramento
Quincy Miller
6-9
200
SF
Baylor
HSSr.
6
New Jersey
Jared Sullinger
6-9
286
PF
Ohio State
Fr.
7
Detroit
Anthony Davis
6-10
208
PF
Kentucky
HSSr.
8
LA Clippers
Jeremy Lamb
6-5
185
SG
UConn
Fr.
9
Charlotte
Brad Beal
6-4
195
SG
Florida
HSSr.
10
Milwaukee
Adonis Thomas
6-7
217
SF
Memphis
HSSr.
11
Golden St.
Terrence Ross
6-6
180
SG/SF
Washington
Fr.
12
Utah
Myck Kabongo
6-2
160
PG
Texas
HSSr.
13
Phoenix
Michael Gilchrist
6-6
216
SF
Kentucky

[nate33]

I was just flipping through the Portsmouth ht/wt measurements.

Ohio State's Dallas Lauderdale is only 6-7.5, but he has a tremendous 7-6.5 wingspan and a respectable 32-inch vertical. He also has a suprisingly effective post game when near the basket. (I always wondered why Thad Motta didn't go to him a bit more often, particularly when the defense keys on Sullinger.) On the other hand, going by the lane agility and sprint times, he's about as quick as Brendan Haywood.

I wonder if he could carve out a niche as a poor man's Kendrick Perkins/Joel Pryzbilla - a goon who comes off the bench and gives you 10 minutes of physical play and solid defense.

I don't think he'll get drafted, but he might be worth a look as a undrafted walk-on.

[Hoopalotta]

I suppose we could pick Biyumbo and trade Seraphin for a future 1st - as Biyumbo is basically a more talented version of Serpahin.

Fortuitous physical abberations not met since Dumbo's time married to the enigmatic panache of the Scarlet Pimpernel.

Bring us these Congolese appendages surnaturel. Bring us this Bismack Biyombo with a pick that is way too high. We have nothing to lose!

[dangermouse]

So Biyombo is very likely 18 yrs old.

If he drops I want him. I'd trade Seraphin for him straight up. Keep him overseas while the lockout is on.

[closg00]

BR's ranking of the "Six Best Euro Prospects" yeah I know, it's Bleacher Report, but give them a break, they have some good writers.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6691 ... -prospects