Bismack Biyombo

bboyskinnylegs · Post #161 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:48 am

DX has a new writeup on Biyombo out, interesting read: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Finding-a-Niche-For-Bismack-Biyombo-3683

Dr Positivity · Post #162 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:03 am

^ One of the things mentioned is his spanish coach taking X-Rays on his wrists, that confirm his reported age

AQuintus · Post #163 » by **AQuintus** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:15 am

EvanZ wrote:No, not quite. A 6'7" guy who weighs 300 pounds is simply...fat.

Not necessarily. And once again, instead of talking about height, you should be talking about weight and body fat percent.

EvanZ · Post #164 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:35 am

AQuintus wrote:
EvanZ wrote:No, not quite. A 6'7" guy who weighs 300 pounds is simply...fat.

Not necessarily. And once again, instead of talking about height, you should be talking about weight and body fat percent.

You clearly missed the point.

Post #165 » by **UGA Hayes** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:25 pm

Anyone else think its kind of irresponsible the way scounts are off the record and seemingly randomly throwing out that they don't believe Biyombo's age b/c he acts mature. It doesn't sound like the Yi, or Ersan thing where there were records suggesting age falsification.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #166 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:51 pm

UGA Hayes wrote:Anyone else think its kind of irresponsible the way scounts are off the record and seemingly randomly throwing out that they don't believe Biyombo's age b/c he acts mature. It doesn't sound like the Yi, or Ersan thing where there were records suggesting age falsification.

I think they might do it intentionally to manipulate a prospect's draft stock. You throw big doubts like that out there (which can significantly impact the way you project a prospect's upside), and it has an effect on how they are perceived... if you can get a team picking ahead of you to start second-guessing things and perhaps let him slide (or prevent him from shooting up as has happened with Biyombo's draft stock...of course with some luck with guys like Barnes/Jones/Sullinger dropping out), mission accomplished.

droponov · Post #167 » by **droponov** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:22 pm

UGA Hayes wrote:Anyone else think its kind of irresponsible the way scounts are off the record and seemingly randomly throwing out that they don't believe Biyombo's age b/c he acts mature. It doesn't sound like the Yi, or Ersan thing where there were records suggesting age falsification.

What scouts? Scouts talk a lot less to the press than people assume.

Post #168 » by **UGA Hayes** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:38 pm

^ well for instance David Aldridge reported a GM said that he heard rumors that he was anywhere from 23-26. Given the financial implications of being drafted high, in the absence of proof, thats tantamount to slander, even if it might not fit the legalistic definition of the term.

droponov · Post #169 » by **droponov** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:25 pm

It's just hearsay. I always assume that stuff comes from rival agents if there's no kind of support to the claims. Writers misidentify their anonymous sources all the time.

Biyombo is 18 or close to it anyway.

chakdaddy · Post #170 » by **chakdaddy** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:18 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:^ One of the things mentioned is his spanish coach taking X-Rays on his wrists, that confirm his reported age

That's an interesting story; bone age or skeletal maturity is very variable at 18 years old; but it sounds like the x rays prove that his growth plates are open, and that lack of skeletal and physical maturity (i.e. room to grow) is really more important to scouts than chronological age.

I wonder what David Robinson's skeletal age was when he entered the Naval Academy; I think he was 18 but probably had a bone age of 15 or 16 given that he grew another 6-7 inches. On the same note, what was KG's bone age as a rookie?

bboyskinnylegs · Post #171 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:59 pm

With his growth plates still open, would it be correct that there's a real possibility that he could still grow taller, thus improving on his 9'3" standing reach?

Post #172 » by **5DOM** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:17 am

bboyskinnylegs wrote:With his growth plates still open, would it be correct that there's a real possibility that he could still grow taller, thus improving on his 9'3" standing reach?

The X-ray was taken 2 years ago. I doubt his growth plates are still open. If they are, Biyombo and his agent could simply show the current shot. He's gotta be somewhere between 18-20

EddieJonesFan · Post #173 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:54 am

Yeah, I just love how people just throw around age concerns without any evidence at all.

Kirsten19 · Post #174 » by **Kirsten19** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:16 am

Biyombo is not that undersized

His height without shoes is 6'7.75". That's exactly the same as Kevin Love's, who is listed as 6'10" nowadays.

Then u'll see Brandon Bass and Millsap who are both 6'6.25" barefoot and listed as 6'8". They both added almost 2inches to their height without shoes.

Biyombo can be listed as 6'10" if that's the case and that's not bad for a power forward

EddieJonesFan · Post #175 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:20 am

6'9 with a 9'3 standing reach is perfectly fine for a PF.

AQuintus · Post #176 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:56 am

EddieJonesFan wrote:6'9 with a 9'3 standing reach is perfectly fine for a PF.

6'9" with a 9'3" standing reach is perfectly fine for a C in today's NBA.

Post #177 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:08 am

AQuintus wrote:
EddieJonesFan wrote:6'9 with a 9'3 standing reach is perfectly fine for a PF.

6'9" with a 9'3" standing reach is perfectly fine for a C in today's NBA.

I think this is the way the NBA is going anyways. Bigger players just don't hold up as well without hand-checking, and they need to be athletic enough to step outside on the stretch forwards/centers. Freaks who can take up as much space as a 7 footer, but athletically are more similar to forwards, are probably going to become more common playing the center spot.

My favorite thing about Biyombo is his work ethic and seeming ability to keep learning and adding to his game (BBIQ). I read draftexpress and they talk about how far he has come just in the last year, think that he could accomplish with NBA training and coaches. Those sort of intangibles are almost as exciting in a young player as physical tangibles like 7'7" wingspan.

Post #178 » by **Hassassin** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:41 pm

Here is an interesting comparison:

Serge Ibaka's numbers at the ACB:

Games: 31
MPG: 16.0
PPG: 7.1
PPG per 40: 17.7
BPG: 1.0
BPG per 40: 2.5
RPG: 4.5
RPG per 40: 11.2
REB%: 13.8
FPG: 1.6
FPG per 40: 4.0
FG%: 54.7
FT%: 72.1
PER: 19.9
TS%: 58.0

Compared to Biyombo's this year

Games: 14
MPG: 17.0
PPG: 6.4
PPG per 40: 14.6
BPG: 2.3
BPG per 40: 5.3
RPG: 5.1
RPG per 40: 11.7
REB%: 15.5
FPG: 2.0
FPG per 40: 4.6
FG%: 56.1
FT%: 55.3
PER: 20.3
TS%: 56.0

Golabki · Post #179 » by **Golabki** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:17 pm

The Spainish league is arguably the best in Europe, and Biyombo has been very impressive (in limited time). If his age iscorrect, and his measurables go well, I would put him as a top 4 prospect, with Irving, Williams, and Valanciunas.

Warspite · Post #180 » by **Warspite** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:31 pm

Golabki wrote:The Spainish league is arguably the best in Europe, and Biyombo has been very impressive (in limited time). If his age iscorrect, and his measurables go well, I would put him as a top 4 prospect, with Irving, Williams, and Valanciunas.

If thats true then European basketball is realy bad. Real Madrid is no better than a .500 team in the Big East or Big 10.