Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[raptor jesus]

Biyombo has flawless skin, especially for his "youthfulness". Hmm... what's his secret?!

[Salted Meat]

Just spitballing here:

Draft Derrick Williams, get another pick, draft Bismack Biyombo.

Bayless
DeRozan
Williams
Davis
Biyombo


Yes. We. Can

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Just spitballing here:

Draft Derrick Williams, get another pick, draft Bismack Biyombo.

Bayless
DeRozan
Williams
Davis
Biyombo


Yes. We. Can

I'd be down with that. Bayless - DeRozan - Williams provide the offence, while Davis and Biyombo provide some D. Nice complementary lineup.

[peZt]

I don't think people deny Bismack Biyombo can be a good shotblocker because that's an innate ability. The real question is what's his nose for the ball level? Can he go get rebounds like Kanter or be in the right position? Positioning is half the battle when Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum are posting you up. If you're under the basket it doesn't matter if you're Dikembe Mutombo.

What do you mean "Can he go get rebounds like Kanter"?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's a better rebounder than Kanter considering he leads the ACB in rebounds per minute. Actually I'd be surprised and disappointed if he isn't

Biyombo is also one of the best rebounders in the ACB for many of the same reasons already mentioned. His length, aggressiveness, toughness, timing and athleticism are all great rebounding qualities. He has no problem going out of his area for loose balls, especially on the offensive glass.

Kanter is the best rebounder out of the 3 euros. And its not even a question.
Hes like Kevin Love, he will get every rebound although he is not very athletic or long.
For example, Jonas V now is one of the best rebounders in europe per minute and he averaged "just" 10 rebounds per game in the U18 championship. Kanter averaged 16 rebounds. So he had 6 rebounds more than Val although Kanter had a guy named Furkan Aldemir on his team who now is one of the best rebounders in the turkish league.
Also Kanter had 13 rebounds in the hoop summit game in less minutes than Biyombo against Sullinger. Biyombo had 10 rebounds in more minutes.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I don't know if anyone posted this, but Motiejunas and Nogueira both declared.

I'm not interested in either where we're selecting, but both are high upside/risk picks.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I don't know if anyone posted this, but Motiejunas and Nogueira both declared.

I'm not interested in either where we're selecting, but both are high upside/risk picks.

Really!? Wow, I'm surprised Lucas declared. I was actually very interested in him next year.

I would definetly like to take a flyer on this guy. He's like a taller, more skilled but much less filled out version of Biyombo.

This draft just got a little more interesting in my opinion.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Lucas is a great guy to select with a late 1st (or 2nd rounder, although in this draft that doesn't look very likely) and stash away for a few years before bringing him over. He definitely needs to bulk up though, he's a toothpick at 218lbs now. I would love to buy a late pick to take either him or Jeremy Tyler, both are athletic guys with great athleticism and potential.

[CanadaB-Ball]

Lucas is a great guy to select with a late 1st (or 2nd rounder, although in this draft that doesn't look very likely) and stash away for a few years before bringing him over. He definitely needs to bulk up though, he's a toothpick at 218lbs now. I would love to buy a late pick to take either him or Jeremy Tyler, both are athletic guys with great athleticism and potential.

Yeah, I don't know though.

Draftexpress and NBADraft.net both have Lucas going in the top 20 next year. Do you really think he'll drop all the way to the second round in what seems to be a much weaker draft?

I like the idea of Jeremy Tyler. Kid's got loads of potential.

[bigdirty]

I would roll the dice on Biyombo over Kanter. Biyombo wants to rip the rim down on every play while Kanter loves to toss up weak crap that will get blocked at the NBA level.

[xprt]

Jeremy Tyler sucked in Europe and he has very bad attitude...

[Mediocrity]

I want to take Biyombo with our pick in the draft IF we don't have a top 2 pick. I will back-up my reasoning.

Valanciunas- Looks to be a skilled big man, but doens't appear that he can put on a lot more weight. If he is not able to put more weight on, then he is simply going to be bullied inside, and at the 5 you need a banger. Granted, he will most surely be a very verstatile big man, and I think that his worst potential is Nesterovic, which is very solid. The only question I have is: How many competent defenders are there at the 5 who have a frame like his?

Kanter- A banger, looks to love contact, solid footwork, competent rebounder. He would be ideal for this team, except for one potentially serious concern; his knees. It has been said that he has knee tendanitis, and I am no doctor, but tendanitis is not something that goes away, especially if you are playing at such a high level. If he didnt have the knee concerns, I would even consider picking him top 2.

Biyombo- Already 240 pounds, at, apparently, 18 years of age. Has a frame that could easily stand to put on 15 pounds at the least, and not hinder him. Is a tenacious shot blocker, looks to block everything, but that same upside is equally troubling, as it could easily get him into foul trouble. At worst, he is Sene, at best, Ibaka, perhaps even more.

I think that in this draft we have to go with the home run if we are picking at 3, and Biyombo seems the most likely to fill out this hope.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I want to take Biyombo with our pick in the draft IF we don't have a top 2 pick. I will back-up my reasoning.

Valanciunas- Looks to be a skilled big man, but doens't appear that he can put on a lot more weight. If he is not able to put more weight on, then he is simply going to be bullied inside, and at the 5 you need a banger. Granted, he will most surely be a very verstatile big man, and I think that his worst potential is Nesterovic, which is very solid. The only question I have is: How many competent defenders are there at the 5 who have a frame like his?

Kanter- A banger, looks to love contact, solid footwork, competent rebounder. He would be ideal for this team, except for one potentially serious concern; his knees. It has been said that he has knee tendanitis, and I am no doctor, but tendanitis is not something that goes away, especially if you are playing at such a high level. If he didnt have the knee concerns, I would even consider picking him top 2.

Biyombo- Already 240 pounds, at, apparently, 18 years of age. Has a frame that could easily stand to put on 15 pounds at the least, and not hinder him. Is a tenacious shot blocker, looks to block everything, but that same upside is equally troubling, as it could easily get him into foul trouble. At worst, he is Sene, at best, Ibaka, perhaps even more.

I think that in this draft we have to go with the home run if we are picking at 3, and Biyombo seems the most likely to fill out this hope.

That is definetly the big thing for me. If he's unable to prove that he's eighteen, I'm much less interested in him.

If he can, however, prove this, then he's definetly someone we should consider with the third pick.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Tyler will be easier to acquire right now, he doesn't have the same kind of hype that Lucas has going for him. Lucas could very well end up being selected with a mid-1st rounder because of his crazy length and defensive potential, he won't last until the 2nd round imo (I think a team iike the Spurs would probably scoop him up with their pick). Tyler doesn't have that kind of defensive potential, but he's a very high upside pick nonetheless. 6'10.28" in shoes, 246lbs, 7'3.8" wingspan, 9'2.63" standing reach, 27.2" no-step vert, 33.1" vert. In 33 games this year, he put up a solid 9.9ppg/6.4rpg playing 15mpg. He's a high upside pick, and a very reasonable risk to take with a late 1st/2nd rounder.

[CunningLinguist]

It seems like they both have an excellent nose for the ball. I wouldn't be opposed to drafting both if we can get a second first round pick. There are too many questions surrounding Biyombo like age, rawness, height, etc. I do like the thought of what he can be though, but not top-5.

+1 to that!


If we had Davis and Biyombo while "potentially" great on D (they would be undersized especially BB) they would really make life even harder on our wings and PGs as they wouldn't be able to score that well. If Kanter can rebound well enough (which all his previous stats show) than I would be more then happy taking him with our pick cuz I haven't heard him being a bad defender....

Who cares how tall Biyombo is, he has elite wingspan and standing reach, in fact, his wingspan is 3 INCHES longer than Dwights. so yea he may be 6' 8" but you don't block shots with your head.

You don't block shots with your shoulders either. Wingspan is a function of shoulder breadth, in addition to arm length. Biyombo has very broad shoulders which makes his wingspan seem really freakish. He's not that much bigger than Tyrus Thomas, who's a half inch shorter with 3 inches less of standing reach. Do you want Thomas playing centre for you? How about Larry Sanders, who's about the same size as Biymobo and showed elite shotblocking ability in college.

The thing about standing reach is that a defender rarely gets to use that full reach number because a proper defensive position requires bending your knees so that you can move laterally and your upper body is rarely perpendicular to the floor.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ Sanders weighed 222lbs as a 21-year old coming off his junior season at VCU. Tyrus weighed 217lbs when he was drafted. At 243lbs, Biyombo weighs 3lbs more than Dwight did when he was drafted. That is just as important, if not moreso than his standing reach and wingspan--he's not going to get pushed around in the paint.

His standing reach is 0.5" shorter than Dwight's, 1" smaller than Sanders, and 3" larger than Tyrus Thomas'... there's nothing to indicate that he's going to have problems playing C.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

This draft is turning into quite the poopoo platter.

It could be the draft of the past decade in terms of lack of top tier talent (2000 being the last with this poor of a crop).

I hate to say it, but the Clips giving up their pick in this year's draft to dump B-Diddy looks like one of the best moves of the year.

[MinnyMo]

I don't think people deny Bismack Biyombo can be a good shotblocker because that's an innate ability. The real question is what's his nose for the ball level? Can he go get rebounds like Kanter or be in the right position? Positioning is half the battle when Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum are posting you up. If you're under the basket it doesn't matter if you're Dikembe Mutombo.

What do you mean "Can he go get rebounds like Kanter"?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's a better rebounder than Kanter considering he leads the ACB in rebounds per minute. Actually I'd be surprised and disappointed if he isn't

Biyombo is also one of the best rebounders in the ACB for many of the same reasons already mentioned. His length, aggressiveness, toughness, timing and athleticism are all great rebounding qualities. He has no problem going out of his area for loose balls, especially on the offensive glass.

Kanter is the best rebounder out of the 3 euros. And its not even a question.
Hes like Kevin Love, he will get every rebound although he is not very athletic or long.
For example, Jonas V now is one of the best rebounders in europe per minute and he averaged "just" 10 rebounds per game in the U18 championship. Kanter averaged 16 rebounds. So he had 6 rebounds more than Val although Kanter had a guy named Furkan Aldemir on his team who now is one of the best rebounders in the turkish league.
Also Kanter had 13 rebounds in the hoop summit game in less minutes than Biyombo against Sullinger. Biyombo had 10 rebounds in more minutes.

How can you take someone serious when you think a player from Congo is European...

[ATLTimekeeper]

This draft is turning into quite the poopoo platter.

It could be the draft of the past decade in terms of lack of top tier talent (2000 being the last with this poor of a crop).

I hate to say it, but the Clips giving up their pick in this year's draft to dump B-Diddy looks like one of the best moves of the year.

I'm not worried about the top of this draft at all. There's guys with flags, for sure, but most of the guys near the top have the kind of qualities that tend to maximize potential. There aren't any headcases, softies, lazy bones, dumb-asses, fatties. These are the kind of qualities that tend to make busts.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

This draft is turning into quite the poopoo platter.

It could be the draft of the past decade in terms of lack of top tier talent (2000 being the last with this poor of a crop).

I hate to say it, but the Clips giving up their pick in this year's draft to dump B-Diddy looks like one of the best moves of the year.

I'm not worried about the top of this draft at all. There's guys with flags, for sure, but most of the guys near the top have the kind of qualities that tend to maximize potential. There aren't any headcases, softies, lazy bones, dumb-asses, fatties. These are the kind of qualities that tend to make busts.

Sure there may not be busts that are out of the league by the end of the rookie contract, but even at the top end of this draft we are looking at tweeners, combo guards and unproven projects. Good 3rd options and role players, but really no special talents.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Valanciunas- Looks to be a skilled big man, but doens't appear that he can put on a lot more weight. If he is not able to put more weight on, then he is simply going to be bullied inside, and at the 5 you need a banger. Granted, he will most surely be a very verstatile big man, and I think that his worst potential is Nesterovic, which is very solid. The only question I have is: How many competent defenders are there at the 5 who have a frame like his?

There are plenty of skinny defenders in the NBA. KG, Camby, Noah, Chandler, Pau. Valanciunas is apparently 240 as a 18 year old. He's not as skinny as people think. He just gets beasted because he's playing against grown-ass men in a league where it's rare for 18 year olds to get any minutes. What's more important is that he's attentive on defense and looks to contest everything and he's not afraid of contact.

Kanter- A banger, looks to love contact, solid footwork, competent rebounder. He would be ideal for this team, except for one potentially serious concern; his knees. It has been said that he has knee tendanitis, and I am no doctor, but tendanitis is not something that goes away, especially if you are playing at such a high level. If he didnt have the knee concerns, I would even consider picking him top 2.

I think you answered you're own concern. You're no doctor. This will be resolved one way or the other, so it's not up to us to fret. If the knee concerns still linger over him come draft day, I think you're right in that he would be worth passing on. I don't think he's that much better of a prospect that we need to take that risk.

Biyombo- Already 240 pounds, at, apparently, 18 years of age. Has a frame that could easily stand to put on 15 pounds at the least, and not hinder him. Is a tenacious shot blocker, looks to block everything, but that same upside is equally troubling, as it could easily get him into foul trouble. At worst, he is Sene, at best, Ibaka, perhaps even more.

I don't know how his age concern isn't the biggest "flag" of the three. I know the x-rays are out there, but c'mon, how hard is it to supply fake x-rays? With a top 3 pick I think you would want more than Ibaka. Much more. Although, I'm not going to put any final verdict on the kid until I hear more about him and the others.