Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[Strategist1]

You forget those Detroit and these Boston teams have 5 guys on the court who play both ends of the court. Rip Hamilton's, Chauncey Billups', Tayshaun Prince's, Rasheed Wallace's, Rajon Rondo's, Ray Allen's and Paul Pierce's don't just grow on trees.

well, its easier to find those type of guys then find someone who can anchor your defence. I just don't think a Bargnani/Kanter frontcourt will lead us anywhere long term. Replace Bargnani, and perhaps it'll work.

Kanter will probably have a solid, Chris Kaman type career.
I just prefer a different build makeup to my team. I guess we have our own preferences.

[Mr. Perfect]

lmao i can't believe people are actually serious about drafting Biyombo top 5? you've got to be kidding me. Even if he is a serge ibaka clone or slightly better, that still means at best he is a role playing defensive big off the bench. you want to draft that with a top 5 pick? lol gtfo. If we dont get Irving, I'd go with Kanter. Not feeling D-Will too much, and next years draft is loaded with SF's anyways.

[Raps in 4]

lmao i can't believe people are actually serious about drafting Biyombo top 5? you've got to be kidding me. Even if he is a serge ibaka clone or slightly better, that still means at best he is a role playing defensive big off the bench. you want to draft that with a top 5 pick? lol gtfo. If we dont get Irving, I'd go with Kanter. Not feeling D-Will too much, and next years draft is loaded with SF's anyways.

That's the problem with this draft. There is no one who is definitively better than Biyombo past the top-2. He's just as good of a prospect as anyone else in that range (which isn't saying much). Guys like Biyombo, Kanter, Val, Walker wouldn't even sniff the top-10 in a better draft.

[Mr. Perfect]

lmao i can't believe people are actually serious about drafting Biyombo top 5? you've got to be kidding me. Even if he is a serge ibaka clone or slightly better, that still means at best he is a role playing defensive big off the bench. you want to draft that with a top 5 pick? lol gtfo. If we dont get Irving, I'd go with Kanter. Not feeling D-Will too much, and next years draft is loaded with SF's anyways.

That's the problem with this draft. There is no one who is definitively better than Biyombo past the top-2. He's just as good of a prospect as anyone else in that range (which isn't saying much). Guys like Biyombo, Kanter, Val, Walker wouldn't even sniff the top-10 in a better draft.

Word. There's just too much risk with Biyombo though, with his age concerns, he's so raw, and all this hype is coming off 1 good game and some stats in limited minutes. Yeah, people say he plays in the ACB and all that, but so did Rubio and he's not faring so well even in the Euroleague. All that, and he's not even a good fit on this team. How many PF's do we need?

[5DOM]

I'll easily take a slightly better version of Ibaka with the top 5 pick this year. People think Kanter's a much safer pick, but they are making a lot of assumptions themselves. Hold his own against Dwight and Bynum? Play D like Perkins? How is this any different from people hoping Biyombo can be the next Ben Wallace? Did people here even see Kanter play defense? And when he did, it was against under 18 European kids or in an All Star setting. Jared Sullinger scored something like 24 points on 14 shots himself, so it's not like Kanter played great D on him either.

I like Kanter and wouldn't mind him with the #3 pick, but it's wrong to say only Biyombo has huge red flags.

[TDotRep]

I'll easily take a slightly better version of Ibaka with the top 5 pick this year. People think Kanter's a much safer pick, but they are making a lot of assumptions themselves. Hold his own against Dwight and Bynum? Play D like Perkins? How is this any different from people hoping Biyombo can be the next Ben Wallace? Did people here even see Kanter play defense? And when he did, it was against under 18 European kids or in an All Star setting. Jared Sullinger scored something like 24 points on 14 shots himself, so it's not like Kanter played great D on him either.

I like Kanter and wouldn't mind him with the #3 pick, but it's wrong to say only Biyombo has huge red flags.

[Silk Wilkes]

You forget those Detroit and these Boston teams have 5 guys on the court who play both ends of the court. Rip Hamilton's, Chauncey Billups', Tayshaun Prince's, Rasheed Wallace's, Rajon Rondo's, Ray Allen's and Paul Pierce's don't just grow on trees.

well, its easier to find those type of guys then find someone who can anchor your defence. I just don't think a Bargnani/Kanter frontcourt will lead us anywhere long term. Replace Bargnani, and perhaps it'll work.

Kanter will probably have a solid, Chris Kaman type career.
I just prefer a different build makeup to my team. I guess we have our own preferences.

You're not listening. The entire I've been saying next to Ed/Amir, no where have I said it's to form an Bargnani/Kanter front court.

I'll easily take a slightly better version of Ibaka with the top 5 pick this year. People think Kanter's a much safer pick, but they are making a lot of assumptions themselves. Hold his own against Dwight and Bynum? Play D like Perkins? How is this any different from people hoping Biyombo can be the next Ben Wallace? Did people here even see Kanter play defense? And when he did, it was against under 18 European kids or in an All Star setting. Jared Sullinger scored something like 24 points on 14 shots himself, so it's not like Kanter played great D on him either.

I like Kanter and wouldn't mind him with the #3 pick, but it's wrong to say only Biyombo has huge red flags.

You could probably get the proven Serge Ibaka for the 3rd pick as opposed to picking his Version 2.0 in Bismack Biyombo who has everything to prove.

[Test of Wills]

One thing is for sure. I bookmarked this thread and were going to be singing the praises of many posters or making them eat their crow!

[5DOM]

One thing is for sure. I bookmarked this thread and were going to be singing the praises of many posters or making them eat their crow!

Yeah, but who cares?
Less than half of us have actually seen more than 40 minutes of these guys.

[Silk Wilkes]

One thing is for sure. I bookmarked this thread and were going to be singing the praises of many posters or making them eat their crow!

The only way people can look ignorant is if they've guaranteed something. Everyone else is just providing opinions on a draft, which any smart sports fan knows is a crap shoot.

[Dr Positivity]

Well Ibaka was a better offensive prospect than Biyombo. He always had that midrange ability in him. It sounds like Ibaka played basketball his entire life too which explains why he's significantly more fluid than most African prospects

[Yeezus_]

Well Ibaka was a better offensive prospect than Biyombo. He always had that midrange ability in him. It sounds like Ibaka played basketball his entire life too which explains why he's significantly more fluid than most African prospects

Maybe we should just draft one of Ibaka's many brothers.

[wanker]

One thing is for sure. I bookmarked this thread and were going to be singing the praises of many posters or making them eat their crow!

Yeah, but who cares?
Less than half of us have actually seen more than 40 minutes of these guys.

I care. Anyone adamantly declaring that Bismack Biyombo is worthy of a top 3-5 pick deserves to be humiliated.

[S.W.A.N]

One thing is for sure. I bookmarked this thread and were going to be singing the praises of many posters or making them eat their crow!

Yeah, but who cares?
Less than half of us have actually seen more than 40 minutes of these guys.

I care. Anyone adamantly declaring that Bismack Biyombo is worthy of a top 3-5 pick deserves to be humiliated.

Oh is that right....

I would say Biyombo is worthy of being selected top 5. If you going to humiliate me you better back it up.

[fredericklove]

wtf @ not drafting irving with #1 pick
wtf wtf wtf

I LOL when that mediocrity dude says that. Everyone who watches Irving knows he has the "it" factor and he's pretty much a guaranteed first pick by any espn scouts any pro scouts any gms, it's funny there's still someone on this board questions his ability and questions the "11" games he played. Didn't he know Irving was on scoring spree in the tourney? Funny. Just funny.

[Indeed]

You forget those Detroit and these Boston teams have 5 guys on the court who play both ends of the court. Rip Hamilton's, Chauncey Billups', Tayshaun Prince's, Rasheed Wallace's, Rajon Rondo's, Ray Allen's and Paul Pierce's don't just grow on trees.

well, its easier to find those type of guys then find someone who can anchor your defence. I just don't think a Bargnani/Kanter frontcourt will lead us anywhere long term. Replace Bargnani, and perhaps it'll work.

Kanter will probably have a solid, Chris Kaman type career.
I just prefer a different build makeup to my team. I guess we have our own preferences.

I think Kanter is more like Boozer, and having Kanter with Davis is even worst than Kanter with Bargnani, since both Kanter and Davis do the same thing.
I also wonder would you build around Davis or Kanter. It seems Kanter has better attribute to build around instead of Davis.

[Indeed]

One thing is for sure. I bookmarked this thread and were going to be singing the praises of many posters or making them eat their crow!

Yeah, but who cares?
Less than half of us have actually seen more than 40 minutes of these guys.

I care. Anyone adamantly declaring that Bismack Biyombo is worthy of a top 3-5 pick deserves to be humiliated.

Not on a weak weak draft like this. The current 5th pick is like 12th in a regular draft, where 12th is pretty reasonable to pick a high risk high reward guy.

[Silk Wilkes]

You forget those Detroit and these Boston teams have 5 guys on the court who play both ends of the court. Rip Hamilton's, Chauncey Billups', Tayshaun Prince's, Rasheed Wallace's, Rajon Rondo's, Ray Allen's and Paul Pierce's don't just grow on trees.

well, its easier to find those type of guys then find someone who can anchor your defence. I just don't think a Bargnani/Kanter frontcourt will lead us anywhere long term. Replace Bargnani, and perhaps it'll work.

Kanter will probably have a solid, Chris Kaman type career.
I just prefer a different build makeup to my team. I guess we have our own preferences.

I think Kanter is more like Boozer, and having Kanter with Davis is even worst than Kanter with Bargnani, since both Kanter and Davis do the same thing.
I also wonder would you build around Davis or Kanter. It seems Kanter has better attribute to build around instead of Davis.

An Ed Davis working his butt off like DeMar does equals Jermaine O'Neal in my opinion. I think Ed Davis is Jermaine O'Neal as Enes Kanter is Dale Davis. But I also feel like Kanter has the potential to be better than Dale, while Ed will struggle to reach that JO level. That's still a damn good front court though.

[5DOM]

I actually think his best case scenario is Al Jefferson.

[Silk Wilkes]

I actually think his best case scenario is Al Jefferson.

Al only plays one end.