2010-11 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread

[witnessraps]

^^ That would be great if BC could manage to get another high lotto pick and replace Calderon and Bargnani with B. Knight and E. Kanter. If Washington can find a taker for Blatche, Bargs could be a good fit next to McGee. I think Lewis would be great in our system as the small forward for one year before 2012 draft.

[JamesNaismith]

1st deal: Draft Day

To TOR: Lewis + #4
To MIL: Bargnani + Barbosa
To WAS: Maggette + Dooling + Sanders + #10

2nd Deal:

To TOR: Brendan Haywood + Luke Walton
To LAL: Jose Calderon + Linas Klezia
To DAL: Steve Blake + Matt Barnes

Toronto Raptors Roster:
- Re-sign Sonny Weems
- Re-sign Joey Dorsey
- Sign 3rd string PG (Ronnie Price?)


Kemba Walker (#4) / Jerryd Bayless / PG
Demar Derozan / Sonny Weems
Reshard Lewis / James Johnson / Luke Walton
Ed Davis / Amir Johnson / Joey Dorsey
Brendan Haywood / Enes Kanter (#3) / Solomon Alabi

Not bad but I'd definately like if somewhere in there we negotiated for a pick next year vs this one...not sure what assets we'd have after this.

[Silk Wilkes]

FIRST QUESTION! Bargs for Lewis + 2011 1st? If we somehow acquired the Washington Wizards pick in the 2011 draft but had to take on Rashard Lewis to do so without breaking up our young core; do you take the deal? I know I do. Just keep Shard since he expires in 2012-13 and is only guaranteed 10 million in his final year.

This is iffy. Washington needs to add young talent just as bad as us, they might laugh in our faces if we offered this whether or not they need to get rid of Shard's deal. If this doesn't work, the plan falls apart

SECOND QUESTION! Who are the two players you take at 3 & 4 (assuming the lottery plays out how things stand today)? I personally go for Kanter at 3 assuming Irving and Williams are taken 1 & 2. Then use the 4th pick to draft Brandon Knight.

THEN TRADE! Kleiza & Barbosa for Pachulia & Hinrich

We get back a tough guy who need a change of scenery in Pachulia, plus some veteran leadership in Hinrich who has a lot to teach, plus a pretty nice expiring at the end of next year (just like Barbosa).

AND! Calderon for Luke Walton & Derek Fisher (perfect mentor to Knight and will likely opt out in 2012-13)

Hear me out. Luke Walton is useless, I know. But his contract is smaller than Jose's and more movable. You add DFish who might be pissed but is the consummate pro. He'll get the necessary health care for his daughter while providing Brandon and Jerryd with wads of knowledge. The perfect vet. It's an addition by subtraction deal.

SO IF POSSIBLE! I go into the season with a line-up like this:

LINE-UP!

Bayless/Knight/Fisher
DeRozan/Hinrich
Lewis/J. Johnson/Walton
Davis/A. Johnson
Kanter/Pachulia/Dorsey/Alabi

You let Bayless and Knight fight it out for the point guard duties while Fisher mentors both of them. You also ensure your Centre position is no longer marshmallowy. In fact, it becomes extremely tough and young. You also add an expiring vet in Hinrich who can teach DeMar and the point guards lots of things, including how to play good man defense . It's not an overhaul but it sets us up for the future as well. We still have our money this off season and next, plus $33, 290, 000 (Lewis, Walton & Fisher) coming off the books in 2012-13!

1. Bargnani for Lewis + #4.

i suggest a:

To TOR: #4 + Lewis
To MIL: Bargnani + Barbosa
To WAS: #10 + Dooling + Maggette + Sanders

deal where Washington moves down because at #4 theres mostly PGs that are the BPA or Jonas but with Mcgee there i dont know how much sense that makes, they need a SF. They move down to get one. MIL gets Bargnani and Barbosa

Jennings / PG / Boykins
Salmons / Barbosa
Delfino / Moute
Bargnani / Irsan
Bogut / Gooden

solid team, goes for the playoffs next year.

Wall / Dooling
Young / Crawford
#10 (jones or Leonard) / Maggette
Blatche / Sanders
Mcgee / Seraphin

+ an extra 7 million in cap space (they get a TE of 7 million in the deal)

So for your question the above deal is what i do. Hes only 10 million guaranteed so that him and Bargnani are about even when waived. I also like his ability to shoot the 3 well, it spaces the floor for Derozan.

2. At #3/#4 i would take Kanter #3 and then Knight #4. Assuming of course we dont luck into Irving with our own pick which would be ideal but realistically i do the above. Just as you said thats what i do also. I like Kemba but i think Knight has more potential.

my next trade would be to ship Calderon out for a backup C/starter whos young (example Biedrins)

To TOR: Biedrins + Walton + Bell (through TE)
To LAL: Calderon
To GSW: Klezia + Blake + LAL incentive (future 1st?)

LAL upgrades PG + saves money

GSW saves 4.8 instantly to get a more defensive C and get depth while picking up assets. Blake/Klezia expire the same time as Biedrins.

all in all i agree with most of what you said but my depth chart looks sort of different

- Re-sign Sonny Weems (2 million) best friends with Derozan can play backup SG effectively as we saw last year and is still young, i wouldnt want to break up those friends.
- Re-sign Joey Dorsey i like his rebounding and he doesnt need a ton of minutes (1.2 million?)

So i go into next season with.

Brandon Knight / Jerryd Bayless / Charlie Bell
Demar Derozan / Sonny Weems
Reshard Lewis / James Johnson / Luke Walton
Ed Davis / Amir Johnson / Joey Dorsey
Enes Kanter / Andres Biedrins / Solomon Alabi

Bayless becomes the 6th man which i believe is his role in the NBA. All he does off the bench is look to score. He has the freedom to do what he wants as the 6th man and doesnt have to deviate to Bargnani.

Team plays defense, has a more traditional lineup and is young. What i like best about this is.

Waive Lewis the year after (2012) draft Barnes/Gilchrist/Miller

Brandon Knight / Jerryd Bayless
Demar Derozan / Sonny Weems
Harrison Barnes / James Johnson / Luke Walton
Ed Davis / Amir Johnson / Joey Dorsey
Enes Kanter / Andres Biedrins / Solomon Alabi

team is nasty. I think all those trades are fair too.

That works too, except I take Gilchrist over Barnes 11/10 times. Also, as "witnessraps" said Blatche needs to be moved for either of our deals to work because putting him and Bargs in the front court is laughable.

[Rapsobsessed7]

But washington isn't getting Bargnani in the deal I posted they just move down by grabbing Sanders and filling a position of need SF.

I'd also take Gilchrist but I think he'd go higher than Barnes

[ravis]

If I can remember correctly (may be mistaken)... But during the trade deadline Golden State was looking to trade David Lee
Bargnani for Lee straight up

[bboyskinnylegs]

If I can remember correctly (may be mistaken)... But during the trade deadline Golden State was looking to trade David Lee
Bargnani for Lee straight up

what good does that do us? I'd rather have Bargs' 41mil/4yrs than Lee's 69mil/5 yrs

[Hassassin]

If I can remember correctly (may be mistaken)... But during the trade deadline Golden State was looking to trade David Lee
Bargnani for Lee straight up

They were looking to move him because they wanted to get his contract off the books. They offered Biedrins and Lee for Redd's massive expiring contract.

[Silk Wilkes]

I wonder how much Thad Young will demand this offseason. To me he's the best option between himself, Chandler & Green.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I wonder how much Thad Young will demand this offseason. To me he's the best option between himself, Chandler & Green.

I agree.

He's also the youngest of all the options you listed.

[Silk Wilkes]

I wonder how much Thad Young will demand this offseason. To me he's the best option between himself, Chandler & Green.

I agree.

He's also the youngest of all the options you listed.

If the price tag is the same it's a no brainer in my opinion. He works harder than Chandler and Green as well, which is proven by his growth on the court.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I wonder how much Thad Young will demand this offseason. To me he's the best option between himself, Chandler & Green.

I agree.

He's also the youngest of all the options you listed.

If the price tag is the same it's a no brainer in my opinion. He works harder than Chandler and Green as well, which is proven by his growth on the court.

Yeah, like you said, it will depend on the price tag.

If he's in the same price range, I definetly would prefer Young to the other two.

[Silk Wilkes]

I agree.

He's also the youngest of all the options you listed.

If the price tag is the same it's a no brainer in my opinion. He works harder than Chandler and Green as well, which is proven by his growth on the court.

Yeah, like you said, it will depend on the price tag.

If he's in the same price range, I definetly would prefer Young to the other two.

It also depends on who we draft. If we luck into Derrick Williams then DeAndre Jordan is where my focus moves to.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ I think getting DeAndre is a fantasy at this point, we can only offer about 9 million, which the Clippers would match easily. Unless we move Bargs or Barbosa for capspace, the only way we'll get a young C like that is to draft them.

[CanadaB-Ball]

If the price tag is the same it's a no brainer in my opinion. He works harder than Chandler and Green as well, which is proven by his growth on the court.

Yeah, like you said, it will depend on the price tag.

If he's in the same price range, I definetly would prefer Young to the other two.

It also depends on who we draft. If we luck into Derrick Williams then DeAndre Jordan is where my focus moves to.

That's also true.

I think that situation would be ideal.

Bayless
DeRozan
Williams
Davis
Jordan

That's the makings of a very good young team.

[CanadaB-Ball]

^^ I think getting DeAndre is a fantasy at this point, we can only offer about 9 million, which the Clippers would match easily. Unless we move Bargs or Barbosa for capspace, the only way we'll get a young C like that is to draft them.

Unfortunately, this is probably the case.

As much as I would like the Raptors to get Jordan, it is, like you said, more of a fantasy then potential reality.

[Silk Wilkes]

^^ I think getting DeAndre is a fantasy at this point, we can only offer about 9 million, which the Clippers would match easily. Unless we move Bargs or Barbosa for capspace, the only way we'll get a young C like that is to draft them.

Agreed, but I can dream.

[bboyskinnylegs]

yeah, I hope Sterling continues to amaze us with his cheapness so we can finally land a solid young C

A frontcourt with DeAndre/Ed/Amir would be

[JamesNaismith]

It also depends on who we draft. If we luck into Derrick Williams then DeAndre Jordan is where my focus moves to.

As you stated that would be a "dream" come true.

[Silk Wilkes]

yeah, I hope Sterling continues to amaze us with his cheapness so we can finally land a solid young C

A frontcourt with DeAndre/Ed/Amir would be

Please God bless us this off season

[arbsn]

I wonder how much Thad Young will demand this offseason. To me he's the best option between himself, Chandler & Green.

I agree.

He's also the youngest of all the options you listed.

If the price tag is the same it's a no brainer in my opinion. He works harder than Chandler and Green as well, which is proven by his growth on the court.

I really don't see how Thaddeus Young firstly, is better than Chandler or Green, and secondly fits as a Raptor. IMHO, He is more of a tweener (closer to the 4 than Jeff Green). The guy can't shoot 3's for his life which is one of our BIGGEST team needs. He's a good defender but he's not a great scorer and really isn't that great of a defender (0.3 bpgs...weak). Pretty good rebounder (5.3pg) but not THAT much better than Chandler (5.7) if better at all.

Putting Young next to DeRozan is JUMP SHOT suicide.

I also don't feel like Young has improved AT ALL over the past 3 years. In fact, I think he's proven he's a better BENCH player in philly in terms of his PER36 stats.

I think Wilson Chandler is a much better fit than both of those options on OUR team. He can shoot the three, play good defense, and rebounder adequately. He can also bring some swagger to our team.

Jeff Green and Thaddeus, in my opinion, are a lot alike... both are 3/4s and can play both positions decently. DO WE REALLY need that? We are already GLUTTONS with our hunger for 4s (reggie, amir, ed, andrea, kleiza, dorsey). That's 6 cheap or signed options at the 4.

Lastly,
Jeff green has owned Thaddeus in all their head-to-head matchups
http://www.nba.com/statscube/player-vs-player.html#Thaddeus-Young-vs-Jeff-Green|201152,201145;season=r


SO BASICALLY.

My Free Agent order of priority:
1. Marc Gasol
2. Wilson Chandler
3. Tyson Chandler
4. Jeff Green
5. Thaddeus Young
6. DeAndre Jordan
7. Tayshaun Prince
8. Josh Howard
9. Greg Oden