Knight or Fredette?

[HammerDunk]

Carroll had also hit his ceiling by the end of his college career which can be seen by his stats stalling his final season. Fredette has shown drastic statistical improvement from year to year and still has room to develop.

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Season   G   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2007-08   35      2.4  5.8 .407 1.2 3.7 .336 1.0 1.2 .854 1.1 1.7 0.8 0.1          7.0
2008-09   33      5.6 11.6 .480 1.6 4.1 .382 3.5 4.2 .847 3.0 4.1 1.5 0.1         16.2
2009-10   34 31.1 6.6 14.4 .458 2.3 5.1 .440 6.6 7.4 .892 3.1 4.7 1.2 0.1 2.7 1.1 22.1
2010-11   37 35.8 9.4 20.7 .452 3.4 8.5 .396 6.8 7.6 .894 3.4 4.3 1.3 0.0 3.5 1.3 28.9


Actually, it seemed to me from looking at Jimmer's stats that he may have peaked during his Junior year:

He shot a higher 3-pt. percentage, as well as overall FG%; he had more assists and fewer turnovers. He played 4 minutes more per game as a senior and took about 6 more shots and score almost 7 points per game more (about what you'd expect given his shooting percentage). His FT attempts barely went up at all (which isn't good considering his increased usage rate).

I think you could spin this into a point in his favor: that when he wasn't asked to be The Man and take 20 shots a game, he actually did better.

But I don't think you can say he showed "drastic statistical improvement from year to year."

This is true, but he also had more talent to pass to. He was taking deeper 3s, thus the worse 3 point numbers. Gordon is showing that worse SR season 3 pt% doesn't tell the whole story and doesn't mean he can't nail them in the NBA. The FT numbers are a bit concerning, but he also took nearly twice as many 3 point shots. He took 136 more 2 point shots this year and shot only 31 more FTs.

What I think is more important to take from this is not necessarily his better stats, but how much better the team was with worse help. They had much more success, and he constantly had the ball in his hands. He didn't have the ball in his hands as much his JR year. They were a FT away from getting to the elite 8, and he scored 30+ points in all his tournament games. He turned it on when it mattered like the SDSU game and post-season play, but ran out of gas in overtime and looked terrible in the FLA game. The good news is that he would not be playing the whole game, but would be a bench boost.

[kebutah]

Not even close-Knight has a much higher upside.

[eLo]

well now correct answer is both

[Getjazz]

Well heres some input from someone who knows what he's taking about. Plus he has ripped Jimmer in the past but now really likes him.

The Bleacher Report:

Despite the fact that he probably won't be selected within the first 10 picks of the 2011 NBA Draft, Jimmer Fredette is the most discussed prospect on the board.

There are plenty of critics wondering whether or not he can succeed at the next level, and for some reason his doubters seem to believe he has absolutely no chance to improve on his weaknesses.

The biggest questions surrounding Jimmer Fredette concern his athleticism and defense.

In terms of athleticism, he may be as underrated as anyone in the country. Experts lead us to believe he's slow and glued to the ground. But that's simply not true.

He has a 36-inch vertical leap and was also recruited to play Division I football while he was in high school. He was a fantastic wide receiver and return specialist, and Fredette's quarterback had this to say about him:

"I remember him being just a straight-out athlete—I could put the ball anywhere, and he'd catch it. He's one of the most gifted athletes I've ever known. He still is a lot quicker and faster than people give him credit for."

All that is nice evidence for Fredette's athleticism, but anyone who actually watched him play more than a few games this year already knew he's a great athlete.

The elevation he gets on his jump shots, the way he makes defenders look foolish with his extremely quick crossover and his acrobatic finishes at the rim are all great displays of his physical abilities (the ones the experts tell us he doesn't have).

Plus, he went right by Erving Walker and Kenny Boynton whenever he wanted to when BYU met Florida in the NCAA tournament (both were supposed to be vastly superior athletes).

As for his defense, the questions there are legitimate. The thing is, we didn't really see what he's capable of defensively because of coaching.

Dave Rose had BYU run a zone for most of every game and allowed Fredette to stand around at the top of the zone. Many have speculated that this is because the team wanted him to save himself on that end of the floor and stay out of foul trouble.

Defense is all about athleticism and desire. Anyone who can average 29 points a game, scoring in such a wide variety of ways, has the athleticism to play solid defense.

The desire part can still be developed. You see, despite everything we've heard to the contrary, Jimmer Fredette does have potential and will get better at the things he isn't already great at.

[jazzfan1971]

I think he could be a very good backup PG.

I would hate to draft him at 6, but, wouldn't mind him at 12.

Am I a hater or not?

[HammerDunk]

I think he could be a very good backup PG.

I would hate to draft him at 6, but, wouldn't mind him at 12.

Am I a hater or not?

Nope, that's exactly how I feel. Getting a good backup PG at the 12 spot would be perfect. Now, if they draft a PG at the 6, then, sadly, they should pass on Jimmer. I'll watch him play wherever he goes though.

[Getjazz]

Perfectly said ^^^^