O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::.

[HarthorneWingo]

I'm not too anxious to find other life forms, thank you very much.

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[NBA Fan 1234]

In 2004, NASA scientists announced that there was a chance that Apophis, an asteroid larger than two football fields, could smash into Earth in 2029. A few additional observations and some number-crunching later, astronomers noted that the chance of the planet-killer hitting Earth in 2029 was nearly zilch.

Now, reports out of Russia say that scientists there estimate Apophis will collide with Earth on April 13, 2036. These reports conflict on the probability of such a doomsday event, but the question remains: How scared should we be?

“Technically, they’re correct, there is a chance in 2036 [that Apophis will hit Earth]," said Donald Yeomans, head of NASA’s Near-Earth Object Program Office. However, that chance is just 1-in-250,000, Yeomans said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20110206/ ... sianreport

[Deeeez Knicks]

I'm not too anxious to find other life forms, thank you very much.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toxdg0CGo6Y&feature=related[/youtube]

man....I had this really crazy dream last night about alien vampires invading earth. The dream included dolphins, dinosaurs and a time machine.

The meaning of this dream is that drugs, alcohol and greasy food is not good for you

[Marty McFly]

honestly, there's alot of **** going on. I don't even know how to process most of the information we get on a daily basis. its exhausting.

[Marty McFly]

Lookie, lookie here...............


Tyche, Giant Hidden Planet, May Exist In Our Solar System

We may have lost Pluto, but it looks like we might be getting Tyche.

Scientists may soon be able to prove the existence of the gas giant, which could be four times the size of Jupiter, according to astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire from the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. The two first proposed Tyche's existence in order to explain a change in path of comets entering the solar system, according to The Independent.

From the The Independent:

Tyche will almost certainly be made up mostly of hydrogen and helium and will probably have an atmosphere much like Jupiter's, with colourful spots and bands and clouds, Professor Whitmire said. "You'd also expect it to have moons. All the outer planets have them," he added.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/1 ... 23028.html

[magnumt]

Lookie, lookie here...............


Tyche, Giant Hidden Planet, May Exist In Our Solar System

We may have lost Pluto, but it looks like we might be getting Tyche.

Scientists may soon be able to prove the existence of the gas giant, which could be four times the size of Jupiter, according to astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire from the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. The two first proposed Tyche's existence in order to explain a change in path of comets entering the solar system, according to The Independent.

From the The Independent:

Tyche will almost certainly be made up mostly of hydrogen and helium and will probably have an atmosphere much like Jupiter's, with colourful spots and bands and clouds, Professor Whitmire said. "You'd also expect it to have moons. All the outer planets have them," he added.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/1 ... 23028.html

There are rumored theories that our Solar System may actually have 2 Suns (part of this is also linked to the Nemesis Theory), and it's really a Binary System.

--Mags

[method]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/06/magnetic-north-pole-shifts-forces-closure-florida-airport/

Magnetic North Pole Shifts, Forces Runway Closures at Florida Airport
By Jeremy A. Kaplan
Published January 06, 2011

The sleeping prophet Edgar Gayce predicted that the poles would shift and do a total 180 and that would be our demise...and just reading up on him he has been on point with his predictions...just saying.

[j4remi]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/06/magnetic-north-pole-shifts-forces-closure-florida-airport/

Magnetic North Pole Shifts, Forces Runway Closures at Florida Airport
By Jeremy A. Kaplan
Published January 06, 2011

The sleeping prophet Edgar Gayce predicted that the poles would shift and do a total 180 and that would be our demise...and just reading up on him he has been on point with his predictions...just saying.

He's overrated...imho.

[magnumt]

^I fixed the quoting in my post above (the one right above Method's post). But to address you point method, one of the main drivers in the 2012 Doomsday scenario predicted by the Mayans (and expanded on through the Years) is the reversal of our Poles via one or more of the following:

-- Blackhole strays too close to our Solar System throwing things into chaos
-- Nemesis strays to close and either destroys our Magnetic Field or reverses it (possibly even causing us to lose our Moon due to Gravitational Influences)
-- The alignment with the center of our Galaxy causes Gravitational Forces or other Stellar Forces from the Super-BlackHole at the center of Galaxy to negatively effect our Planet's Poles, or ability of our Planet to repel Radiation.

--Mags

[gavran]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/06/magnetic-north-pole-shifts-forces-closure-florida-airport/

Magnetic North Pole Shifts, Forces Runway Closures at Florida Airport
By Jeremy A. Kaplan
Published January 06, 2011

The sleeping prophet Edgar Gayce predicted that the poles would shift and do a total 180 and that would be our demise...and just reading up on him he has been on point with his predictions...just saying.

Magnetic pole shift =/= pole shift. He hasn't been on point about anything. We were supposed to find Atlantis 12 years ago according to him.

[j4remi]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... e-tevatron

This past week has seen the physics community abuzz with excitement over a paper published by researchers at Fermilab announcing that they have found strong evidence for a never-before-seen particle that does not fit into any of our established theories. And if you believe the hype, this means nothing less than a new force of nature to add to the four we already know about (gravity, electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces). But we physicists are a cautious bunch and no one has been popping open the champagne just yet.

The difficulty is that this possible new particle cannot be detected directly; it lives for a tiny fraction of a second before it explodes into streams of more conventional particles that can be detected and traced back to it. This is how we can say that it is not a Higgs boson, which if created would have left a calling card. On the other hand, this would-be new particle weighs as much as a Higgs and even belongs to the family of particles known as "bosons", which are responsible for the forces between all the matter in the universe. However, all the known forces have their bosons accounted for, so a new boson could mean a new force.

I love this stuff!

[magnumt]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/10/new-force-of-nature-tevatron

This past week has seen the physics community abuzz with excitement over a paper published by researchers at Fermilab announcing that they have found strong evidence for a never-before-seen particle that does not fit into any of our established theories. And if you believe the hype, this means nothing less than a new force of nature to add to the four we already know about (gravity, electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces). But we physicists are a cautious bunch and no one has been popping open the champagne just yet.

The difficulty is that this possible new particle cannot be detected directly; it lives for a tiny fraction of a second before it explodes into streams of more conventional particles that can be detected and traced back to it. This is how we can say that it is not a Higgs boson, which if created would have left a calling card. On the other hand, this would-be new particle weighs as much as a Higgs and even belongs to the family of particles known as "bosons", which are responsible for the forces between all the matter in the universe. However, all the known forces have their bosons accounted for, so a new boson could mean a new force.

I love this stuff!

Yeah, I read about it a week or 2 ago. They also have discovered possible proof of Time Travel from a recent experiment:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-big-simulated-metamaterial-impossible.html

--Mags

[magnumt]

Heads Up:

Rumos are floating about in the Scientific Community late last night about the possible discovery of the "GOD" Particle (aka the "Higgs Bosan").

LINK: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story ... e-lhc.html

[gavran]

It's most likely just an error, because it conflicts with the modell. The energy spike the LHC detected is too great for the Higgs. Or maybe it is yet another particle that noone expected. Still, probably just an error.

[magnumt]

LINK

New report confirms Arctic melt accelerating

STOCKHOLM (AP) -- Arctic ice is melting faster than expected and could raise the average global sea level by as much as five feet this century, an authoritative new report suggests. (emphasis added)

The study by the international Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program, or AMAP, is one of the most comprehensive updates on climate change in the Arctic, and builds on a similar assessment in 2005.

The full report will be delivered to foreign ministers of the eight Arctic nations next week, but an executive summary including the key findings was obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday.

It says that Arctic temperatures in the past six years were the highest since measurements began in 1880, and that feedback mechanisms believed to accelerate warming in the climate system have now started kicking in.

One mechanism involves the ocean absorbing more heat when it's not covered by ice, which reflects the sun's energy. That effect has been anticipated by scientists "but clear evidence for it has only been observed in the Arctic in the past five years," AMAP said.

The report also shatters some of the forecasts made in 2007 by the U.N.'s expert panel on climate change.

The cover of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, for example, is shrinking faster than projected by the U.N. panel. The level of summer ice coverage has been at or near record lows every year since 2001, AMAP said, predicting that the Arctic Ocean will be nearly ice free in summer within 30-40 years.

Its assessment also said the U.N. panel was too conservative in estimating how much sea levels will rise - one of the most closely watched aspects of global warming because of the potentially catastrophic impact on coastal cities and island nations.

The melting of Arctic glaciers and ice caps, including Greenland's massive ice sheet, are projected to help raise global sea levels by 35 to 63 inches (90-160 centimeters) by 2100, AMAP said, though it noted that the estimate was highly uncertain.

That's up from a 2007 projection of 7 to 23 inches (19-59 centimeters) by the U.N. panel, which didn't consider the dynamics of ice caps in the Arctic and Antarctica.

"The observed changes in sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, in the mass of the Greenland ice sheet and Arctic ice caps and glaciers over the past 10 years are dramatic and represent an obvious departure from the long-term patterns," AMAP said in the executive summary.

The organization's main function is to advise the nations surrounding the Arctic - the U.S., Canada, Russia, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland and Finland - on threats to the Arctic environment.

The findings of its report - Snow, Water, Ice and Permafrost in the Arctic - will be discussed by some of the scientists who helped compile it at a conference starting Wednesday in the Danish capital, Copenhagen.

In the past few years, scientists have steadily improved ways of measuring the loss of ice into the oceans.

In research reported in March in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, U.S. and European scientists used two independent methods to corroborate their findings: the on-the-ground measurement of ice thickness and movements using GPS stations and other tools, and the measurement of ice mass through gravity readings from satellites.

That team, led by Eric Rignot of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, projected that the accelerating melt of the vast Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets would itself raise sea levels by about 6 inches (15 centimeters) by 2050. Adding in other factors - expansion of the oceans from warming and runoff from other glaciers worldwide - would raise sea levels a total of some 13 inches (32 centimeters) by 2050, they said.

They did not project sea levels to 2100 because of long-range uncertainties.

Currents, winds and other forces would make sea-level rise vary globally, but Bangladesh, Florida and other such low-lying areas and coastal cities worldwide would be hard hit.

The AMAP report said melting glaciers and ice sheets worldwide have become the biggest contributor to sea level rise. Greenland's ice sheet alone accounted for more than 40 percent of the 0.12 inches (3.1 millimeters) of sea-level rise observed annually between 2003 and 2008, AMAP said.

It said the yearly mass loss from Greenland's ice sheet, which covers an area the size of Mexico, increased from 50 gigatons in 1995-2000 to more than 200 gigatons in 2004-2008.

Scientists are still debating how much of the changes observed in the Arctic are due to natural variances and how much to warming caused by the release of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. AMAP projected that average fall and winter temperatures in the Arctic will climb by 5.4-10.8 F (3-6 C) by 2080, even if greenhouse gas emissions are lower than in the past decade.

Yeaaaaaaaaaah, there's no Global Warming.

--Mags

[magnumt]

LINK

New report confirms Arctic melt accelerating

STOCKHOLM (AP) -- Arctic ice is melting faster than expected and could raise the average global sea level by as much as five feet this century, an authoritative new report suggests. (emphasis added)

The study by the international Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program, or AMAP, is one of the most comprehensive updates on climate change in the Arctic, and builds on a similar assessment in 2005.

The full report will be delivered to foreign ministers of the eight Arctic nations next week, but an executive summary including the key findings was obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday.

It says that Arctic temperatures in the past six years were the highest since measurements began in 1880, and that feedback mechanisms believed to accelerate warming in the climate system have now started kicking in.

One mechanism involves the ocean absorbing more heat when it's not covered by ice, which reflects the sun's energy. That effect has been anticipated by scientists "but clear evidence for it has only been observed in the Arctic in the past five years," AMAP said.

The report also shatters some of the forecasts made in 2007 by the U.N.'s expert panel on climate change.

The cover of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, for example, is shrinking faster than projected by the U.N. panel. The level of summer ice coverage has been at or near record lows every year since 2001, AMAP said, predicting that the Arctic Ocean will be nearly ice free in summer within 30-40 years.

Its assessment also said the U.N. panel was too conservative in estimating how much sea levels will rise - one of the most closely watched aspects of global warming because of the potentially catastrophic impact on coastal cities and island nations.

The melting of Arctic glaciers and ice caps, including Greenland's massive ice sheet, are projected to help raise global sea levels by 35 to 63 inches (90-160 centimeters) by 2100, AMAP said, though it noted that the estimate was highly uncertain.

That's up from a 2007 projection of 7 to 23 inches (19-59 centimeters) by the U.N. panel, which didn't consider the dynamics of ice caps in the Arctic and Antarctica.

"The observed changes in sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, in the mass of the Greenland ice sheet and Arctic ice caps and glaciers over the past 10 years are dramatic and represent an obvious departure from the long-term patterns," AMAP said in the executive summary.

The organization's main function is to advise the nations surrounding the Arctic - the U.S., Canada, Russia, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland and Finland - on threats to the Arctic environment.

The findings of its report - Snow, Water, Ice and Permafrost in the Arctic - will be discussed by some of the scientists who helped compile it at a conference starting Wednesday in the Danish capital, Copenhagen.

In the past few years, scientists have steadily improved ways of measuring the loss of ice into the oceans.

In research reported in March in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, U.S. and European scientists used two independent methods to corroborate their findings: the on-the-ground measurement of ice thickness and movements using GPS stations and other tools, and the measurement of ice mass through gravity readings from satellites.

That team, led by Eric Rignot of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, projected that the accelerating melt of the vast Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets would itself raise sea levels by about 6 inches (15 centimeters) by 2050. Adding in other factors - expansion of the oceans from warming and runoff from other glaciers worldwide - would raise sea levels a total of some 13 inches (32 centimeters) by 2050, they said.

They did not project sea levels to 2100 because of long-range uncertainties.

Currents, winds and other forces would make sea-level rise vary globally, but Bangladesh, Florida and other such low-lying areas and coastal cities worldwide would be hard hit.

The AMAP report said melting glaciers and ice sheets worldwide have become the biggest contributor to sea level rise. Greenland's ice sheet alone accounted for more than 40 percent of the 0.12 inches (3.1 millimeters) of sea-level rise observed annually between 2003 and 2008, AMAP said.

It said the yearly mass loss from Greenland's ice sheet, which covers an area the size of Mexico, increased from 50 gigatons in 1995-2000 to more than 200 gigatons in 2004-2008.

Scientists are still debating how much of the changes observed in the Arctic are due to natural variances and how much to warming caused by the release of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. AMAP projected that average fall and winter temperatures in the Arctic will climb by 5.4-10.8 F (3-6 C) by 2080, even if greenhouse gas emissions are lower than in the past decade.

Yeaaaaaaaaaah, there's no Global Warming.

--Mags

[gavran]

Yeaaaaaaaaaah, there's no Global Warming.

--Mags

I still don't believe it's man made. There's just not enough data to prove it.

[magnumt]

Yeaaaaaaaaaah, there's no Global Warming.

--Mags

I still don't believe it's man made. There's just not enough data to prove it.

When our Coastal Cities are Flooded will you believe it then?

How about when we have a Blizzard in the heart of Spring and heat waves deep into September?

Or, how about a new Weather Tragedy almost like clockwork each and every Year?

Since the Industrial Revolution, the Earth has Warmed with all the excess CO2 and Nitrogen being pumped into the air (along with other Greenhouse Gases).

Sure they're other contributing factors besides the human race, but we sure as hell play a MAJOR role in it too. I still laugh at the fact that just 3-4 Years ago "Media Pundits" came out in DROVES saying that Global Warming was a fab and that it was a "hoax".

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

--Mags

[EDIT: Right now on CNN, there's BReaking News that 11, that's ELEVEN States are now facing catasrophic Flooding.

[gavran]

I still don't believe it's man made. There's just not enough data to prove it.

When our Coastal Cities are Flooded will you believe it then?

How about when we have a Blizzard in the heart of Spring and heat waves deep into September?

Or, how about a new Weather Tragedy almost like clockwork each and every Year?

So only man made global warming can couse these thing, and natural doesn't? I never doubted the existance of the warming, read more carefully.

Since the Industrial Revolution, the Earth has Warmed with all the excess CO2 and Nitrogen being pumped into the air (along with other Greenhouse Gases).

Just before the industrial revolution there was a small ice age, it's natural that warming start after the cooling ends.

Sure they're other contributing factors besides the human race, but we sure as hell play a MAJOR role in it too. I still laugh at the fact that just 3-4 Years ago "Media Pundits" came out in DROVES saying that Global Warming was a fab and that it was a "hoax".

Fact is, meteorology is a fairly new thing, and we started collecting useful data in the last 50-100 years. There's just not enough evidence to support either theory. Until then I try to use logic, and ask the question, who has more power to do such things, us or mother nature? I think the answer is easy in this one. Earth's climate is too complex for us to just randomly pick one factor (probably the weakest) and say that it's the reason, because it fits our agenda.

[alphad0gz]

Right in the last paragraph of the article it says they have no idea how much is due to man. Is it happening? Sure. Are we (have we) contributed? No doubt.

We have always had massive floods, springtime blizzards, and heat waves in September. A quick look at the records will reveal that they are not all in the last fifty years.....