2010-11 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread

AkelaLoneWolf · Post #1321 » by **AkelaLoneWolf** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:47 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:^^ I think getting DeAndre is a fantasy at this point, we can only offer about 9 million, which the Clippers would match easily. Unless we move Bargs or Barbosa for capspace, the only way we'll get a young C like that is to draft them.

I think that we can offer him a deal starting at 8 million that with annual increases can be something like 50M over 5 years. But that would be massive overpayment.
For Jordan, 8 million is fair, 9 is overpayment but tolerable and 10 is just too much.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1322 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:54 pm

arbsn wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
CanadaB-Ball wrote:
I agree.

He's also the youngest of all the options you listed.

If the price tag is the same it's a no brainer in my opinion. He works harder than Chandler and Green as well, which is proven by his growth on the court.

I really don't see how Thaddeus Young firstly, is better than Chandler or Green, and secondly fits as a Raptor. IMHO, He is more of a tweener (closer to the 4 than Jeff Green). The guy can't shoot 3's for his life which is one of our BIGGEST team needs. He's a good defender but he's not a great scorer and really isn't that great of a defender (0.3 bpgs...weak). Pretty good rebounder (5.3pg) but not THAT much better than Chandler (5.7) if better at all.

Putting Young next to DeRozan is JUMP SHOT suicide.

I also don't feel like Young has improved AT ALL over the past 3 years. In fact, I think he's proven he's a better BENCH player in philly in terms of his PER36 stats.

I think Wilson Chandler is a much better fit than both of those options on OUR team. He can shoot the three, play good defense, and rebounder adequately. He can also bring some swagger to our team.

Jeff Green and Thaddeus, in my opinion, are a lot alike... both are 3/4s and can play both positions decently. DO WE REALLY need that? We are already GLUTTONS with our hunger for 4s (reggie, amir, ed, andrea, kleiza, dorsey). That's 6 cheap or signed options at the 4.

Lastly,
Jeff green has owned Thaddeus in all their head-to-head matchups
http://www.nba.com/statscube/player-vs-player.html#Thaddeus-Young-vs-Jeff-Green|201152,201145;season=r

SO BASICALLY.

My Free Agent order of priority:
1. Marc Gasol
2. Wilson Chandler
3. Tyson Chandler
4. Jeff Green
5. Thaddeus Young
6. DeAndre Jordan
7. Tayshaun Prince
8. Josh Howard
9. Greg Oden

The same Wilson Chandler who has failed to show up in the playoffs? Ok. What about that same Wilson Chandler who gets outplayed by Thad Young in their head-to-head match-ups? Are we talking about the same guy? :roll:

http://www.nba.com/statscube/player-vs- ... 3;season=r

arbsn · Post #1323 » by **arbsn** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:04 pm

^ if you read the stats in that link you'll see the following
(with both on court PER 36mins)
Chandler-17.6p, 6.7r
Thadd- 13.4p, 5.9r

Chandler hasn't shown up in the playoffs-agreed, its also his FIRST playoffs, and also, Denver has SO many options at the 2/3/4 so Karl can keep him on a short leash - not that Danilo has played much better in the playoffs....

Your argument is MOOT.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1324 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:06 pm

arbsn wrote:^ if you read the stats in that link you'll see the following
(with both on court PER 36mins)
Chandler-17.6p, 6.7r
Thadd- 13.4p, 5.9r

Chandler hasn't shown up in the playoffs-agreed, its also his FIRST playoffs, and also, Denver has SO many options at the 2/3/4 so Karl can keep him on a short leash - not that Danilo has played much better in the playoffs....

Your argument is MOOT.

Says the guy who's arguing based on per36 minute stats as opposed to what's actually happening on the court.

arbsn · Post #1325 » by **arbsn** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:20 pm

^I like what I see from Chandler far more than what I see from Thad ON THE COURT

trey songz wont save u from the burning building

Silk Wilkes · Post #1326 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:43 am

arbsn wrote:^I like what I see from Chandler far more than what I see from Thad ON THE COURT

trey songz wont save u from the burning building

You sent me a stat sheet and now you're trying to use the "on the court" argument? Oh, the building is DEFINITELY burning...

logicz · Post #1327 » by **logicz** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:08 am

well for me . personally, i like thad

DirtyDez · Post #1328 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:32 am

What is Bargnani's value? Would Robin Lopez/fillers plus a lottery pick be close?

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1329 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:51 am

DirtyDez wrote:What is Bargnani's value? Would Robin Lopez/fillers plus a lottery pick be close?

seeing as Robin will only make 2.8mil next year, that's a lot of filler required to make salaries match... and Robin's production isn't even that great, and he's declined from last year. If it's the Suns lotto pick next year, then maybe... but I'm not really interested in the 13th pick this year, that's terrible return for Bargs.

pspot · Post #1330 » by **pspot** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:46 pm

IMO Gasol or Jordan are just not realistic and will be retained by their teams

a guy I annually suggest for the Raps is Okafor

Bargnani for Ok would be an interesting start

Bargs would be a nice weapon for Paul

OK would be a great mentor and defensive anchor for a young Raps team.

witnessraps · Post #1331 » by **witnessraps** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:52 pm

Okafor would be nice. A defensive frontcourt of Ed/Amir at PF and a good defensive C makes me excited.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1332 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:19 pm

Kobblehead wrote:That's probably what it would take to get Thorn's attention. Not sure it would be the best offer we would get. Probably in the top 3 of offers. I have suspicions that Thorn would want to hammer down a 2012 pick in negotiations. I don't think you guys want to overpay to land Andre. Thorn will get someone to though so that's most likely what it would take.

I'm not sure how credible Kobblehead is as a poster but he pretty much said Philly would strongly consider something surrounding Bargs + Barbosa for Iggy + filler. Personally, I do the deal. Sure, Iggy is overpaid, but his contract is no worse than Bargnani's. We also get something for Leandro instead of just letting him walk away. I think a wing combo of DeRozan/Iguodala could be a big problem in the Eastern Conference especially depending on who we pick in the 2011 and 2012 drafts. Imagine scenarios such as:

Irving/DeRozan/Iguodala/Davis/Centre? OR Bayless/DeRozan/Iguodala/Davis/Kanter

BAWS!

noman21 · Post #1333 » by **noman21** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:13 pm

On a side note, has anyone noticed Amir is still in Toronto? Pretty much everyone left but him, he must love the city.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1334 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:43 pm

Youngblood wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:That's probably what it would take to get Thorn's attention. Not sure it would be the best offer we would get. Probably in the top 3 of offers. I have suspicions that Thorn would want to hammer down a 2012 pick in negotiations. I don't think you guys want to overpay to land Andre. Thorn will get someone to though so that's most likely what it would take.

I'm not sure how credible Kobblehead is as a poster but he pretty much said Philly would strongly consider something surrounding Bargs + Barbosa for Iggy + filler. Personally, I do the deal. Sure, Iggy is overpaid, but his contract is no worse than Bargnani's. We also get something for Leandro instead of just letting him walk away. I think a wing combo of DeRozan/Iguodala could be a big problem in the Eastern Conference especially depending on who we pick in the 2011 and 2012 drafts. Imagine scenarios such as:

Irving/DeRozan/Iguodala/Davis/Centre? OR Bayless/DeRozan/Iguodala/Davis/Kanter

BAWS!

see id rather trade Iggy to a 3rd team and get B.Knight

Knight
Derozan
SF
Davis
Kanter

would be better IMO, Iggy is just going to make our pick next year worse while hes only 27 (turning 28) i would just rather go all out rebuild than keep on the treadmill that iggy would keep us on. If we can draft Gilchrist/Miller/Barnes next year

Knight
Derozan
Gilchrist
Davis
Kanter

looks like a very promising team to me.

HomieOmey · Post #1335 » by **HomieOmey** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:00 pm

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:^^ I think getting DeAndre is a fantasy at this point, we can only offer about 9 million, which the Clippers would match easily. Unless we move Bargs or Barbosa for capspace, the only way we'll get a young C like that is to draft them.

I think that we can offer him a deal starting at 8 million that with annual increases can be something like 50M over 5 years. But that would be massive overpayment.
For Jordan, 8 million is fair, 9 is overpayment but tolerable and 10 is just too much.

And most Clipper fans agree with what you're saying, so I'm not sure why so many Raptor fans think we have no shot at him; especially if we willing to overpay.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1336 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:09 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:That's probably what it would take to get Thorn's attention. Not sure it would be the best offer we would get. Probably in the top 3 of offers. I have suspicions that Thorn would want to hammer down a 2012 pick in negotiations. I don't think you guys want to overpay to land Andre. Thorn will get someone to though so that's most likely what it would take.

I'm not sure how credible Kobblehead is as a poster but he pretty much said Philly would strongly consider something surrounding Bargs + Barbosa for Iggy + filler. Personally, I do the deal. Sure, Iggy is overpaid, but his contract is no worse than Bargnani's. We also get something for Leandro instead of just letting him walk away. I think a wing combo of DeRozan/Iguodala could be a big problem in the Eastern Conference especially depending on who we pick in the 2011 and 2012 drafts. Imagine scenarios such as:

Irving/DeRozan/Iguodala/Davis/Centre? OR Bayless/DeRozan/Iguodala/Davis/Kanter

BAWS!

see id rather trade Iggy to a 3rd team and get B.Knight

Knight
Derozan
SF
Davis
Kanter

would be better IMO, Iggy is just going to make our pick next year worse while hes only 27 (turning 28) i would just rather go all out rebuild than keep on the treadmill that iggy would keep us on. If we can draft Gilchrist/Miller/Barnes next year

Knight
Derozan
Gilchrist
Davis
Kanter

looks like a very promising team to me.

I think we already have a pseudo Brandon Knight in Jerryd Bayless. Keep in mind Jerryd was a highly touted prospect and this is his first real shot at success in the NBA. I'm not sure Iggy puts us on the treadmill either. This team has glaring holes in it. He makes us no better than Philly last year who got the 2nd overall pick with 27 wins. I think in the 2012 draft you could potentially pick up a star as long as you're top 5-6 and do your homework. I do agree that his age is a bit of a concern, but he fits with us imo. He can stretch the defense a bit and provide lockdown wing defense that a guy like DeMar can learn from. Once he wears out his welcome I don't think it would be a problem finding a suitor for him, even at that money.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1337 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:21 pm

I don't think Iggy puts us on the treadmill either (especially if Bargs is being moved in the same deal). Our perimeter defense would significantly improve with Iggy guarding star wings, and at the very least our rebounding would improve without Bargs (I'm inclined to say our interior D would improve without Bargs as well, but I suppose it's hard to say how a rookie C stack up in comparison to Bargs now). It would actually be a fundamentally improved young team that isn't flawed in it's makeup (might not be talented/experienced enough to go far at this point, but it's a starting point), as opposed to just adding vets to squeak into the playoffs (which would be the definition of a treadmill move).

Silk Wilkes · Post #1338 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:23 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:I don't think Iggy puts us on the treadmill either (especially if Bargs is being moved in the same deal). Our perimeter defense would significantly improve with Iggy guarding star wings, and at the very least our rebounding would improve without Bargs (I'm inclined to say our interior D would improve without Bargs as well, but I suppose it's hard to say how a rookie C stack up in comparison to Bargs now). It would actually be a fundamentally improved young team that isn't flawed in it's makeup (might not be talented/experienced enough to go far at this point, but it's a starting point), as opposed to just adding vets to squeak into the playoffs (which would be the definition of a treadmill move).

If we pulled that deal off, my first motive would be to trade Jose for peanuts to get his deal off the books asap. Then we can continue to build. I dunno, I'm pulling this out of my arse but maybe something like a part of the TPE for OJ Mayo to put him behind DeMar and Iggy, which would sure up our wing and power forward spots. Draft a guy like Kanter and put hope in Jerryd and we're looking pretty.

witnessraps · Post #1339 » by **witnessraps** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:15 pm

Bargnani for Iggy.I really really like that trade.....

Bayless/Jose
DeMar
Iggy/JJ/Kleiza
Ed/Amir
Kanter

Too much toughness in that team right there

Philly can get a nice big scoring option, and create more opportunity for Evan Turner.

Ducksplatt · Post #1340 » by **Ducksplatt** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:46 pm

witnessraps wrote:Bargnani for Iggy.I really really like that trade.....

Bayless/Jose
DeMar
Iggy/JJ/Kleiza
Ed/Amir
Kanter

Too much toughness in that team right there

Philly can get a nice big scoring option, and create more opportunity for Evan Turner.

I highly doubt Philly trades Iggy for Bargs - just to create more opportunity for Evan Turner. That is a lot of salary to take on to open up time for Turner. I am sure Iggy can command more than Bargs...but, it sure would be nice if that trade went through.