Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[fredericklove]

I can definitely hear something like this from Bargnani but definitely not Kanter. I'd draft him regardless what he says anyways. He's the only one I trust most in the draft when it comes to bargnani's replacement.

[MEDIC]

Here is an interview from 2009 with Derrick Williams before he started playing college basketball.

What position do you feel you play your best at?

I play best at the 3. I can shoot and dribble plus I'm 6'8” so coaches normally put big men on me and I am faster and quicker than most of them.

Do you see yourself as a natural 4 or 3? Do you think the coaches will rely on you to play the 4 or 3?

I feel I am more of a 3, just because of my quickness and skill level with the ball. I think the coaches will actually use me for both because this year we are so guard heavy and not that big. Eventually they will use me at the 3.

Notice what he says about himself interms of position.

If D-Williams is intent on playing the 3 in the NBA, he'd better be training his azz off to become a 3. I'm sick of these big men that want to play like SF's because they have a little better ball handling skills & are a little more agile than most bigs. You still have to be able to match up athletically with the NBA SF's on the defensive end.

Williams should be busting his azz right now to get leaner, faster, more explosive, better lateral quicks, etc.

I do think Williams has the talent to be a SF, but he is going to have to work at it.

If he doesn't do these things, I think he'll have difficulty in the NBA & his best position will be PF. There is nothing wrong with a 6'8", big guy with that kind of athleticism playing the 4. He'll be able to blow by most 4's & he is big & strong enough to hold his own in the paint.

Regardless of his position, he'll either be the best or 2nd best player in this draft. The guys is a beast. If he's available to us & Kyrie is gone, we have to draft him. He just to valuable an asset to pass on.

[fredericklove]

Just out of curiosity if the Black Falcon was in this draft, who would you guys have chosen if we were landed 2nd pick.

[bboyskinnylegs]

his exact quote was "I like to play post moves and rebounds, but I want to play forward". The narrator goes on to say that "Kanter wants to face the basket and showcase his skills on the perimeter, a lot like Patrick Patterson did last year". To me, it simply sounds that he wants an offensive role that allows him to do more than just operate around the basket.

I see no problem with that, especially considering that right now Ed and Amir are more comfortable operating closer to the basket (and are very efficient there). Greg Monroe, Al Horford, Brook Lopez, Hibbert, and yes, Bargs, are all C's that are successful on offense without having to operate exclusively in the low post. I don't think his comment had anything to do with defense at all. If he wants to imitate Kevin Love on offense, I have no issue with that.

[Yeezus_]

Just out of curiosity if the Black Falcon was in this draft, who would you guys have chosen if we were landed 2nd pick.

Is the black falcon Barnes? If so, you take him, assuming Irving is off the board.

[5DOM]

Just out of curiosity if the Black Falcon was in this draft, who would you guys have chosen if we were landed 2nd pick.

Kyrie Irving if available
Derrick Williams if not

[Reignman]

Just out of curiosity if the Black Falcon was in this draft, who would you guys have chosen if we were landed 2nd pick.

Barmes was my #2 the whole time and I wouldn't be surprised if he's the best player in college ball next season. Quote me.

[JamesNaismith]

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Thanks for that clip!


This only reaffirms him as my pick with Kyrie and DWill off the board.

Harrellson is listed as 6'10 and 275pds (http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-bas ... osh00.html) and Kanter clearly looked like the larger man and him saying he can play forward only shows he has great confidence in his ball handling skills and ability to create and make plays. You'd never hear anyone say that Bargnani worked any C in the game so that was great hearing he worked Mohammed like that....this kid imo easily looks like the best big man prospect in this draft.

[Tofubeque]

I'm only 70% joking. I do think star NBA players carry themselves like one and believe they are one. When I see pictures of Davis, I see a kid who's physical body makes him less cool instead of more. If he was invested in carrying himself like a star he'd shave that unibrow. An NBA star should always feel like he's the king of the room. I don't see that in Davis. I see a gigantic nerd.

Wow, for real? Because he doesn't shave his unibrow? Maybe he's comfortable with it.

Don't see Noah lacking confidence because of his ponytail and patchy facial hair

[no dice]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1028020

Q: Do you believe that you can play as forward?
A: I never wanted to be center. I love playing as a Small Forward. And I believe that I can do it if I work hard. Calipari believes that too and he promised me. Because he thinks that I have SF ability and he tells me that he will play me as SF in college.

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man that narrator sounds like a geek.

[Strategist1]

If Kanter says he wants to play the 3 as a small forward,...I can't believe some of you guys want to still take him.

We need a center and a guy who wants to defend the paint.

Biyombo was quoting as saying ...(paraphrasing)... he wants to kill everyone he plays against. That's the attitude I want out of my front court player.

[JYD]

The most dominant player in this draft is Kanter, that cannot be questioned. Bismack Biyambo is one of the most overrated prospects ever and you people thinking he deserves to be drafted by Toronto should be ashamed. Do your homework.
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1. Sure it can, it's easy to actually. You can argue he's not long enough to be a good NBA C, or that he looks too slow for the NBA game, or that he's proven nothing really in terms of playing against the level of size and athleticism found in the NBA.

2. The rest isn't much of an argument. Where is your analysis of Biyombo's game? Where is your homework? I've already done as much as I can on the top C prospects, and have posted my analysis of all of them, including strengths and weaknesses of each player.

It's interesting how some here are pushing their choice like they would a political candidate, just repeating themselves over and over without saying much of substance, and ridiculing those with differing opinions. As if being louder and more abrasive lends your opinion more credibility, or has some sort of impact on who our pick will actually be. Not naming or even thinking of names, this is just the general vibe I get.

Personally I like Biyombo, and have said my piece in depth on him already, so I won't repeat myself incessantly or participate in a neverending circle jerk along with other posters. It has been entertaining, to say the least, regarding how invested some are in being the loudest in the room and trying to convince others they're right without actually debating points in an intellectually honest manner.

They want who they want and there's no point you can make to make them think twice. They're the kind of people who only change their minds if they read something contrary to their view via 'legitimate' media sources. Then they'll be all like '"ok now that I've seen this I'm starting to change my opinion, but before this information came out there was no way to judge this player." Not saying who that will happen to, or even if it will happen, but rather trying to describe a certain kind of poster.

Don't get me wrong, reports can sway me in a different direction too. But before those reports come out I'm always willing to hear a legitimate analysis, with which I can agree or disagree with. But if I do disagree with someone, I try to do it in a way that doesn't have me identifying them as someone who should be ashamed of having an inferior level of knowledge, or me being generally condescending at all. Having a level of absolute confidence combined with arrogance makes you seem the opposite of what you're trying to project, actually.

Well just another year at draft time, I suppose.

[TDotRep]

JV is a great prospect but the Bleacher Report overlooks the fact that Kanter made him his son on numerous occasions.

But that was from 2-3 years ago. Apparently, Valanciunas got bigger and he actually improved his game a lot. Maybe Kanter did too, but who knows?

If anything Kanter was the one who got bigger and improved his game more I mean, what has val really produced since than?

[5DOM]

JV is a great prospect but the Bleacher Report overlooks the fact that Kanter made him his son on numerous occasions.

But that was from 2-3 years ago. Apparently, Valanciunas got bigger and he actually improved his game a lot. Maybe Kanter did too, but who knows?

If anything Kanter was the one who got bigger and improved his game more I mean, what has val really produced since than?

You sure you don't have the names mixed up?

[OhCanada]

The most dominant player in this draft is Kanter, that cannot be questioned. Bismack Biyambo is one of the most overrated prospects ever and you people thinking he deserves to be drafted by Toronto should be ashamed. Do your homework.
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1. Sure it can, it's easy to actually. You can argue he's not long enough to be a good NBA C, or that he looks too slow for the NBA game, or that he's proven nothing really in terms of playing against the level of size and athleticism found in the NBA.

2. The rest isn't much of an argument. Where is your analysis of Biyombo's game? Where is your homework? I've already done as much as I can on the top C prospects, and have posted my analysis of all of them, including strengths and weaknesses of each player.

It's interesting how some here are pushing their choice like they would a political candidate, just repeating themselves over and over without saying much of substance, and ridiculing those with differing opinions. As if being louder and more abrasive lends your opinion more credibility, or has some sort of impact on who our pick will actually be. Not naming or even thinking of names, this is just the general vibe I get.

Personally I like Biyombo, and have said my piece in depth on him already, so I won't repeat myself incessantly or participate in a neverending circle jerk along with other posters. It has been entertaining, to say the least, regarding how invested some are in being the loudest in the room and trying to convince others they're right without actually debating points in an intellectually honest manner.

They want who they want and there's no point you can make to make them think twice. They're the kind of people who only change their minds if they read something contrary to their view via 'legitimate' media sources. Then they'll be all like '"ok now that I've seen this I'm starting to change my opinion, but before this information came out there was no way to judge this player." Not saying who that will happen to, or even if it will happen, but rather trying to describe a certain kind of poster.

Don't get me wrong, reports can sway me in a different direction too. But before those reports come out I'm always willing to hear a legitimate analysis, with which I can agree or disagree with. But if I do disagree with someone, I try to do it in a way that doesn't have me identifying them as someone who should be ashamed of having an inferior level of knowledge, or me being generally condescending at all. Having a level of absolute confidence combined with arrogance makes you seem the opposite of what you're trying to project, actually.

Well just another year at draft time, I suppose.

I posted this in the Who Woul You Take thread. Ill argue with you a bit more after I eat lol

Ive had alot of Bismack Biyambo debates and heres what Ive gathered.

Bismack Biyambo got that role only because Estaban Batista, (remember him?), was sold to a team due to financial issues. Batista was an NBA floater for a while with the Hawks and celtics. He averaged around 30-mpg, 13-ppg, 9-rpg, 2-spg, and 1-bpg. Biyambo only averaged 17-mpg 6-ppg, 5-rpg, 2-bpg, while holding a 1.6-topg, and 2-fpg.

People compare him to Dwight Howard. Well Dwight averaged 22-ppg this year. If Dwight turned the ball over that much he would average just under 7-topg.

People compare him to Ben Wallace. Ben averaged 2-fpg in 30-mpg. Thats twice as effiecent as Biyambo. Guys like wallace and Howard are such good defenders because they stay on the floor and gaurd their position. Blocking shots does not mean youre a good defender just like how some players over play passing lanes some players overplay blocking shots.Mcgee is not a good defender at all, he is one of the worst Centers in the league. Ibaka is not a Center. Jordan is used in spurts and at the best of his career is averaging 7-points and 7-rebounds. Neither of those guys would have been good picks at #3 overall.

Biyambo has earned his stats in a mans league against players that are at a D-League calibur, well maybe a bit higher but thats the playing field essentially. The best thing out of the ACB league in my memory is Marc Gasol, he averaged 34-mpg, 16-ppg, 8.5-rpg, 2.4-apg, and 1.8-bpg. He was a 2nd round draft pick.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Just imagine if Kanter ends up in Sacramento - wow, you're looking at, potentially, a Marc Gasol/Zach Randolph redux.

Kanter/Cousins would be a nasty 4/5 combo, and in SAC, they'd be protecting each other in a way. They're almost interchangeable imo at 4 & 5.

[SkywalkerAC]

yeah, it's Val who has been consistently producing as a professional and proven himself to be one of the best bigs not in the NBA.

[TDotRep]

Yes less than 2 years ago kanter did take it to val. Jonas previously had a 37/19 game and scored 20 or more in 5/8 games before posting 14/5 on kanter but that was than.

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Show me the difference from the kid who got handled like a puppet from a 2009 skinnier shorter kanter to now.

[TDotRep]

I wanted to keep quiet through this bismack pole jocking and kanter hate until the draft but it's getting annoying.

[fredericklove]

Once we get Irving or DWill we can then shut up with the BB vs. UnderKanter debate.