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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1061 » by ohara » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:48 am

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ohara wrote: I would love to use our 2nd rounder on Josh Selby.


"converting just 39% of his 2-point attempts, which would be the lowest percentage of any player drafted in the last ten years, if he indeed decided to enter. Combine that with his paltry 37 free throw attempts in 22 games, and it's no surprise why Selby ranks as the least efficient scorer amongst players in our top-100 prospects ranking."

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jos ... z1KV0OVvjH
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6'2 PG with Scoring ability, only 18 yr old, very good defense and he has shown the ability to drive to the hoop. Played a tough role in coming in as a FR to Kansas and playing right away. Get him with our 2nd, no money is guaranteed. If he doesn't pan out, so be it. But if he does, I think he offers a lot to our Guard spot as I dont see Livingston with us next year. EDIT: OOPS! I thought Livingston was only a 1 yr Contract, but ESPN shows it as 3, so I guess he will be back next year. Still, I dont think a 2nd rounder is bad to use on him. He is projected as a late 1st anyway.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1062 » by doc.end » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:33 pm

Charlottehoops wrote:I am still iffy about a 6'9 center with no offensive game when our problem is not defense, but scoring.

No offensive game? Watch again.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1063 » by Snidely FC » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:48 pm

projected in 19-20 range:
Klay Thompson
Chris Singleton
Nolan Smith
Travis Leslie
Joshua Smith

projected 2nd round:
Tyler Honeycutt
Kyle Singler
Keith Benson
Darius Morris
Charles Jenkins
David Lighty
Giorgi Shermandini
Jordan Williams

Would you rather give the 19 pick guaranteed money or go non-guaranteed with the second group? If the ping pong balls are unkind I think we need to trade 19, either packaged with 9 to move into top 5-6 or traded for 2nd rders this yr or nxt.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1064 » by doc.end » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:06 pm

What about Vucević in second round, is he any good? He surely won't have no problem to find a team in Europe to play in case of lockout. That's a plus. And if I would by into nbadraft.net mock draft, surely Mirotić would be interesting option as well.

Good luck with trade out of guaranteed money this year...
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1065 » by Charlottehoops » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:18 pm

Ok I'm sold. I watched video of Biyombo's demolition of Team USA. The kid is nice. He looked like a grown man playing against children. If by some miracle he drops to nine we cannot pass this kid up. Bismack and Tyrus would absolutely lock down the paint. And I don't care what his scouting report says any big man that quick is going to score.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1066 » by SWedd523 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:20 pm

You really love Euro prospects don't you, Mr. Prague?
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1067 » by Charlottehoops » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:38 pm

Why isn't anyone talking about Chris Singleton at 19 ? If Kawhi is a carbon copy of Gerald Wallace then Chris is the 6'9 version. Check out his video. Then look at the video of Tobias Harris and
Tyler Honeycutt. No way you watch thes three videos and still like either of them over Chris.

Also why are we not discussing Nolan Smith. Behind Kyrie he is probably the most creative pointguard in the draft. Kid led the ACC in scoring and finished second in assist. That is pretty impressive.


http://www.nbadraft.net/players/chris-singleton

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyler-honeycutt

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tobias-harris

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nolan-smith
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1068 » by ohara » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:58 pm

Charlottehoops wrote:Why isn't anyone talking about Chris Singleton at 19 ? If Kawhi is a carbon copy of Gerald Wallace then Chris is the 6'9 version. Check out his video. Then look at the video of Tobias Harris and
Tyler Honeycutt. No way you watch thes three videos and still like either of them over Chris.

Also why are we not discussing Nolan Smith. Behind Kyrie he is probably the most creative pointguard in the draft. Kid led the ACC in scoring and finished second in assist. That is pretty impressive.


http://www.nbadraft.net/players/chris-singleton

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyler-honeycutt

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tobias-harris

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nolan-smith


Singleton is certainly in play at #19. But as for Nolan Smith, he is listed as a SG, not a PG for purposes of the NBA Draft. Dont think there is high confidence he can play a pure PG at the NBA level. More of a combo who can spell the PG for a bit of time each game.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1069 » by Stun704 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:04 am

the fact that Jordan Hamilton is getting compared to Glenn Rice is enough for me to draft him
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1070 » by Jaruff » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:20 am

I like Singleton at 19 if he's available and if we don't use #9 on a SF.

I also like the idea of grabbing Nolan Smith at 19, especially if we can figure out a way to trade Livingston for a draft pick (considering the weak draft, I think we could get a late first/early-mid second for him).

I know people have discussed trading away the 9 or 19 but considering the perceived weakness of this year's draft, shouldn't we try to get a few extra picks? The picks will be easier to come by this year, especially the second rounders.

Actually, the Lakers have four second round picks this year. I would love to move the 19 for all four of those second round picks and cash. Someone like Singleton or Harris may interest LA since Artest and Odom are getting older.

9, 19, 39 or 9, 39, 41, 46, 56, 58

It gives us the opportunity to stockpile International talent AND there would be one less player receiving guaranteed money.

Better yet, instead of cash, do a Walton/Diop switch.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1071 » by BigSlam » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:47 am

Not a bad little read that covers some guys that we might be interested in (Kwahi, Singleton, Hamilton and Honeycutt - who they list as "a traditional (and very interesting) small forward prospect".

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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1072 » by Snidely FC » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:24 am

Jaruff wrote:I like Singleton at 19 if he's available and if we don't use #9 on a SF.

I also like the idea of grabbing Nolan Smith at 19, especially if we can figure out a way to trade Livingston for a draft pick (considering the weak draft, I think we could get a late first/early-mid second for him).


Nolan Smith was the #2 +/- player in college ball. Had his thunder stolen by Kyrie in the tourney. Would form an efficient backcourt with Hendo. Good PG tag team with DJ.


I know people have discussed trading away the 9 or 19 but considering the perceived weakness of this year's draft, shouldn't we try to get a few extra picks? The picks will be easier to come by this year, especially the second rounders.

Actually, the Lakers have four second round picks this year. I would love to move the 19 for all four of those second round picks and cash. Someone like Singleton or Harris may interest LA since Artest and Odom are getting older.

9, 19, 39 or 9, 39, 41, 46, 56, 58

It gives us the opportunity to stockpile International talent AND there would be one less player receiving guaranteed money.

Better yet, instead of cash, do a Walton/Diop switch.


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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1073 » by doc.end » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:02 am

SWEDD523 wrote:You really love Euro prospects don't you, Mr. Prague?

Well, I don't have time nor natural desire to watch enough NCAA at first place. I prefer unorthodox gamble the more the lower the pick is. In addition we are not going to compete in next two years till we get some contract off the bookd and get someone better insted - even worse we really should try to keep our pick next year in strong draft. So there is a little incetive for drafting player impactful from day one in 2011-2012 season. Look like Spurs have drafted over the years with their second rounders and late frirst round picks. And how many (US) second rounders become more then bench warmers? Those are rare. Bench warmer or D leaguer, such a player under contract still devours a roster spot till he is replaced by better player, traded or discarded for lack of roster space. Or (longshot) evolves into something useful and consistent. Draft rights don't count against roster spots and depending on their respective situation (and possible contract issues) can develop nicely (for free). Considering by the very next picks such players are usually higher reward options than their sure bet american counterparts. In comparison to high potential players, which can spend their rookie contract years just to "get it", those Euros (Intl.) who don't come over immediately could work the same except you don't pay for potential meanwhile and could sign them to rookie scale contract once they are ready/free (with a danger you'll never see them if they turn out busts, which is probably better, albeit maybe more frustrating for a fan, than paying a D-leaguer for 4 years). Of course then there is a need to adjust to NBA game after all I give you that. You won't get a top talent this way (most of the time) but as some GM are not really fans of drafting an international player, some diamond in a rough may get overlook. Out of the lottery unless there is a player you can't pass on, there is little to lose.

Especially now I think we should rather stack up pieces for future than trying to win right now. In case of lockout Euros will return to their teams or will find a one easily as used to Euro style of paly. Not sure where some of ex-NCAA players will play meanwhile. Of course you got Lexy scenario here and there, but Serge Ibaka here and there too.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1074 » by SWedd523 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:52 am

I don't disagree with you one bit doc. Late round Euro prospects have shown the ability to come in and play when their overseas duties are finished. How much of that has to do with them being 25+ years old vs 19/20 for Americans probably has a lot to do with it.

I think using the 39 (or pretty much any pick from 25 back) on a Euro project to stash overseas is a fantastic idea. But I think 9 and 19 are too high to do that on because you rarely see high pick Euros become something special.** I can't imagine casual fans being okay with us taking a Euro project when they'd rather see some tangible, on court development.

**Since 05, you've only had one great (Bogut), some good (Bargs, Sefolosha, Gallinari), and you've had some bad (Vazquez, Korolev, Sene, Yi, Rubio-ish)
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1075 » by Jaruff » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:11 am

I think the verdict is still out on Vazquez (isn't he wanting to come over?) but I get your point. You don't want to waste a lotto pick on someone that may wait several years before joining the team or may not join the team at all.

I will make one guarantee; if Kyle Singler is available at our second round pick, we will take him.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1076 » by ohara » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:19 pm

I've seen Mocks have Singler go anywhere from #26 to around our 2nd round pick. He would be a great choice at #39, but I honestly think he's off the board by then. I agree that he would be a bargain at #39.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1077 » by W_HAMILTON » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:58 pm

Williams/Walker/Hamilton/Trade, in that order. I am ready for the voting threads.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1078 » by ohara » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:20 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:Williams/Walker/Hamilton/Trade, in that order. I am ready for the voting threads.


Irving, Williams, Kanter, Walker, Jones or Trade
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1079 » by doc.end » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:38 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:I don't disagree with you one bit doc. Late round Euro prospects have shown the ability to come in and play when their overseas duties are finished. How much of that has to do with them being 25+ years old vs 19/20 for Americans probably has a lot to do with it.

I think using the 39 (or pretty much any pick from 25 back) on a Euro project to stash overseas is a fantastic idea. But I think 9 and 19 are too high to do that on because you rarely see high pick Euros become something special.** I can't imagine casual fans being okay with us taking a Euro project when they'd rather see some tangible, on court development.

**Since 05, you've only had one great (Bogut), some good (Bargs, Sefolosha, Gallinari), and you've had some bad (Vazquez, Korolev, Sene, Yi, Rubio-ish)

With lotto pick you take BPA. Which may turn out to be an Euro this year in this year shallow on good ncaa players. Once I suggested drafting a player with one or more years on contract with the pick as such a player is probably slipping because of his contract issues and is better than when he is picked. With our rebuilding phase and lockout next year, there is a little importance whether such a player will arrive in 2013 or sooner. We won't be competing till then and sucking more because of no immediate help could actually benefit us. That being said I wouldn't pass on better palyer to do that but I would take that into consideration when comparing similarily good players. That was long time ago, even before Crash trade I think - it became moot since then as all suitable candidates for that would be likely gone at 9. And I don't see anyone projected around 19 either.

Of coruse age matters. I wouldn't have any problem to do that with a North American player and let him mature somewhere while keeping his rights but it is unlikely a first round pick would go to Europe so only second rounders may be an option. But they would have to adjust to Euro style game first that's one thing Euro players don't have to do. It may work with some physically gifted (to eb able to jump to NBA one day) late bloomer (not being drafted too high) but it would be a rare ocassion and naturally you would get a rotation guy at best. Darius Washington if he would be drafted may be a good example. With lockout and no minutes for rookies and more importantly with some raw unprepared players declaring too soon bceause of the weak crop, ti may happen someone taken in second round will go to Europe and flourish there in next years earning a spot in NBA albeit having no reasonable shot now. It is just easier for players which already have some ties in Europe (either laying there or being European playing in NCAA).

And after all I am biased in case fo Veselý as those don't come very often and I really care where he ends up. Smilar to you UNC guys prefering Tar Heels early entries except those happen like every year.
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Re: 2011 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1080 » by BigSlam » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:34 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:Williams/Walker/Hamilton/Trade, in that order. I am ready for the voting threads.

#9 pick = Irving/D.Williams/Kanter/T.Jones/Hamilton/Kwahi, in that order, for me.

#19 pick = Biyombo/J.Williams/Nogueira/Honeycutt/trade, in that order, for me.

#39 pick = Trade/Lighty/Macklin/JaJuan Johnson, in that order, for me.
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