Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[hyper316]

If you compare Biyombo's stats to Joel Anthony's senior year's, they are actually very similar

Joel Anthony: 18.1MPG, 5.2PPG, 4.1RPG, 2.9BPG, 2.4FPG, 59.7FG%
Bismack Biyombo: 17.0MPG, 6.4PPG, 5.1RPG, 2.3BPG, 2.0FPG, 56.1FG%

Of course the difference is that Biyombo's doing it as an 18* y/o in the ACB, and Anthony did it as a 24 y/o in the Mountain West Conference

good comparison in age. ACB is a league with men. MWC? lol

[fredericklove]

First of all, I've already said many times that I consider Ben Wallace to be Biyombo's ABSOLUTE BEST CASE scenario. So in that sense, saying Kobe is Barnes' absolute best case isn't that crazy either, so please do.

And when I said you go "BLACK FALCON!!!" or "KYRIE IRVING", I didn't just mean you use those nicknames. I meant that you

just repeating themselves over and over without saying much of substance, and ridiculing those with differing opinions

Oh I really find it "harder" to assume 4 time DPY to be his absolutely best case scenario. I thought I'd only see those type of "wow u kidding me, really?" scenario in nbadraft.com or bleacher report but I didn't expect to see it here on this board.

Lol, I was just basically supporting my fellow Kanter supporters by cheering them up and giving them fire. Those type of posts I write are basically just a display of my excitement. Can't people here have excitement. But you seem to be bothered by what I say to my Kanter supporters and had to write something about it then sure fine. I guess... realgm has really turned into an intense warzone, I better be careful what I write next time because every sentence will be targeted at. Damn, this is one heck of a forum board, there are political candidates everywhere, holy...this scares meeee.

OH DAMN IT, I absolutely just forgot to bring in some substance into this post AGAIN, punish me for disregarding Wham's scholarly quote, my post here will get harassed!! oh no, help!!! I'm not a political candidate here, please, I'm just chilling here homeboys but omg, I'm going to get attacked again in 3...2...1.

[fredericklove]

a.k.a. DeMan

Also DeKobe DeBryant. How can someone smack the ball this hard, doesn't it hurt your palm like hell?

[Silk Wilkes]

DeMichael DeJordan or DeBlack DeJesus would also be acceptable.

[fredericklove]

DeMichael DeJordan or DeBlack DeJesus would also be acceptable.

Oh shoot dude, I almost forgot nickname calling is considered taboo in realgm board

[yayotube]

Seriously guys, no point going back and forth on who the better prospects are. What we think may not be what reality is. Again, at this point, we should be glad there have emerged 3 legit big men prospects in Kanter, Valanciunas and Biyombo.

Because this draft, past the top 2, has so much uncertainty we should be jumping for joy at anyone who emerges as an intriguing talent. None of us has an impact on who is ultimately selected. And also, if we're lucky enough to pick top 5, the process of workouts/measurements will clearly define WHO the top big man is. Lucky for us, we will (hopefully) be in position to select this player, whether it be Kanter, Valanciunas, or Biyombo.

In the big picture, we add another talented young asset to the young core that played hard last season.

[princeofpalace]

I think maybe some people forget how great a player Wallace was

- 4 Time All Star
- T Time DPOY
- Championship Winner

Guys who are just role players dont get those kind of accolades. Wallace anchored one of the best defenses in the league and was arguable the best defender in the league at his height.

I doubt BB will come close to being Ben Wallace. Like Wallace, BB doesn't seem to have any sort of offensive game but I doubt BB defensive impact will be enough to justify playing 5 on 4.

[ATLTimekeeper]

^Wallace also came into the league as a 22 year old. Biyombo is 18 (supposedly). I think it's a stretch to think Biyombo will develop into the defensive player that Wallace was, but to think that he could be a better offensive player than him isn't so crazy. He looks like a better athlete to me. He's also bigger.

[Overuser]

When do workouts, and predraft stuff actually start? Do teams have date they have to wait for before any workouts can begin? I'm getting bored with the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) arguing back and forth. Clearly none of the these posters are going to changer their mind.

[tecumseh18]

Seriously guys, no point going back and forth on who the better prospects are. What we think may not be what reality is. Again, at this point, we should be glad there have emerged 3 legit big men prospects in Kanter, Valanciunas and Biyombo.

Because this draft, past the top 2, has so much uncertainty we should be jumping for joy at anyone who emerges as an intriguing talent. None of us has an impact on who is ultimately selected. And also, if we're lucky enough to pick top 5, the process of workouts/measurements will clearly define WHO the top big man is. Lucky for us, we will (hopefully) be in position to select this player, whether it be Kanter, Valanciunas, or Biyombo.

In the big picture, we add another talented young asset to the young core that played hard last season.

What the hell kinda post is this? You're no fun!

[OAKLEY_2]

You mean in an all-star game against high schoolers? I like Kanter, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I am concerned Kanter has lost a year and more of his development. There is no substitute for real competition.

He was practicing regularly against Kentucky's best and they were impressed. My only concern is athleticism. Don't we need a lot more of that? I'd hold off on comparisons. Ben Wallace he ain't. If we are going risk a "big" mistake pick it might be best to throw the dice on Biyombo. He screams athleticism.

[TDotRep]

We are considered one of the most athletic teams in the league, if we need anything it's size and a presence down low.

[dagger]

When do workouts, and predraft stuff actually start? Do teams have date they have to wait for before any workouts can begin? I'm getting bored with the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) arguing back and forth. Clearly none of the these posters are going to changer their mind.

There is a two-day, league-wide workout in New Jersey, I believe, at the end of this week. All 30 teams are invited to watch. This is to help players who are unsure of whether to stay in the draft assess their chances of being drafted. This is not where we will see physical specs on individual players although presumably some players will be measured/weighted to help promote their cause. This workout is unlikely to cause any top 10 picks to drop out, so is of less interest to the Raptors. But I'm sure we will be represented.

[5DOM]

You mean in an all-star game against high schoolers? I like Kanter, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I am concerned Kanter has lost a year and more of his development. There is no substitute for real competition.

He was practicing regularly against Kentucky's best and they were impressed. My only concern is athleticism. Don't we need a lot more of that? I'd hold off on comparisons. Ben Wallace he ain't. If we are going risk a "big" mistake pick it might be best to throw the dice on Biyombo. He screams athleticism.

Not saying the same applies to Kanter, but Bargnani was supposed to be insanely skilled in practices too, and he did it against players better than Josh Harrellson. As for Kanter's athleticism, I think he's fairly athletic. He seems very strong and agile/fluid for someone his size. If he has good measurements and workouts, I'd even consider him with a number 2 pick

[phailing101]

Pending on his measurements and workouts, I won't be surprised if a team takes Kanter #1.

[yayotube]

Seriously guys, no point going back and forth on who the better prospects are. What we think may not be what reality is. Again, at this point, we should be glad there have emerged 3 legit big men prospects in Kanter, Valanciunas and Biyombo.

Because this draft, past the top 2, has so much uncertainty we should be jumping for joy at anyone who emerges as an intriguing talent. None of us has an impact on who is ultimately selected. And also, if we're lucky enough to pick top 5, the process of workouts/measurements will clearly define WHO the top big man is. Lucky for us, we will (hopefully) be in position to select this player, whether it be Kanter, Valanciunas, or Biyombo.

In the big picture, we add another talented young asset to the young core that played hard last season.

What the hell kinda post is this? You're no fun!

5 years of Colangelo pressers have me saying all the right things while still pushing my hidden agenda

[God Squad]

Out of the bigs for some reason I only really want Jonas or Kanter. Just a eerie feeling about Bismack. But then again I could be wrong. But I really like Kanter's offensive game. From what I've read he can already school some bigs so thats very encouraging.

I really like Val for the simple fact that we can store him away while tanking another year. If he comes over right way then thats amazing. I think he could be really good at both ends of the floor. I love his length. DX has also been high on him all year long. So since I haven't have the opportunity to watch him, i'm sure they've done their research.

[Indeed]

When do workouts, and predraft stuff actually start? Do teams have date they have to wait for before any workouts can begin? I'm getting bored with the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) arguing back and forth. Clearly none of the these posters are going to changer their mind.

There is a two-day, league-wide workout in New Jersey, I believe, at the end of this week. All 30 teams are invited to watch. This is to help players who are unsure of whether to stay in the draft assess their chances of being drafted. This is not where we will see physical specs on individual players although presumably some players will be measured/weighted to help promote their cause. This workout is unlikely to cause any top 10 picks to drop out, so is of less interest to the Raptors. But I'm sure we will be represented.

Last year they had the article at the end of May, so I am assuming it would take another month to get the combine.

Last year:
http://www.nbadraft.net/combine-measurement-analysis

[gerrit4]

I'm beginning to get very intrigued with Biyombo. That being said, we've all seen these type of players (Saer Sene etc) bust a lot more than succeed in the past 10 years.

[SDM]

Biyombo's still the wild card for me. He passes the smell test as he's outplaying similar raw, athletic types that have made the NBA at a (supposedly) younger age.