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Now forward that to Jerome Solomon so he'll have something to "write" about tomorrow.
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moofs wrote:MaxRider wrote:one bad one on my mind
spending money buying 2nd round pick for taylor
giving taylor and money to sacremento to free up a spot (the pick is 99% we aren't getting)
the free spot we got for t-will which we gave away 1st round pick (lottery protected - not sure all the condition)
if t-will turn into some type of player
then ok
if bust
this is bad
Show me a GM that hasn't screwed up. I would say that R.C. is probably the best in the league, almost hands down, either him or Morey.
1 word for that one.
Scola.
i think portland gm did a pretty good job (that chinese dude)
not very active
but ok
i think morey did way too many buy low deal
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MaxRider wrote:one bad one on my mind
spending money buying 2nd round pick for taylor
giving taylor and money to sacremento to free up a spot (the pick is 99% we aren't getting)
the free spot we got for t-will which we gave away 1st round pick (lottery protected - not sure all the condition)
if t-will turn into some type of player
then ok
if bust
this is bad
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MaxRider wrote:i think portland gm did a pretty good job (that chinese dude)
not very active
but ok
i think morey did way too many buy low deal

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moofs wrote:
That Morey hasn't managed to get a superstar in a 2 year window? Realism, people.
I think it's just the way he's gone about it. Getting fans to beg Bosh to play here. Sending the rowdies to stalk him. Making it sound like we were closer to signing him than we probably were. I'd prefer it if he played it closer to the vest in those situations.
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We also forget what situations we are in at the start of each season, when we have gone after F/A's. Getting Ron Artest was a bit of a steal for us, And I count that as a reasonably big signing. But there was a problem with that trade, and that was the uncertainty of McGrady's ability to return and play well. Yao's injuries are a constant problem for the team, especialy when it is structured around him. Since Morey has been GM, we have had a very good team, on paper however, injuries have always been a constant source of annoyance for us. When we re-signed Francis, I guess we imagined that we would be getting a player who was a bit more learned and matured. However, he wasn't able to.
Can you imagine the potential that a Rockets team with Francis, McGrady, Artest, Scola, and Yao. With say Battier, Landry, Mutombo, and Brooks or Lowry coming off the bench? (This is a hypothetical question, we are assuming that all players are injury free. and we are also assuming that this is three or four seasons ago!) I think any GM would be crapping themselves to have a chance at managing a talent laden roster like that.
AS much as it pains me, considering I am still annoyed with the Landry trade. I say we keep him for at least another 2 years. If it doesn't work, or we don't make some significant upgrades, we go for a re-build.
Can you imagine the potential that a Rockets team with Francis, McGrady, Artest, Scola, and Yao. With say Battier, Landry, Mutombo, and Brooks or Lowry coming off the bench? (This is a hypothetical question, we are assuming that all players are injury free. and we are also assuming that this is three or four seasons ago!) I think any GM would be crapping themselves to have a chance at managing a talent laden roster like that.
AS much as it pains me, considering I am still annoyed with the Landry trade. I say we keep him for at least another 2 years. If it doesn't work, or we don't make some significant upgrades, we go for a re-build.

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I am for Morey and the firing of Rick. Somebody already made my point so all I would do is repeat it.
But someone said Les would never tank a season but I do recall (not born yet so as I heard) the Rockets tanking to get Sampson (I think) and the Dream in consecutive years or maybe Les was not the owner then
But someone said Les would never tank a season but I do recall (not born yet so as I heard) the Rockets tanking to get Sampson (I think) and the Dream in consecutive years or maybe Les was not the owner then
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zapatasblood wrote:I am for Morey and the firing of Rick. Somebody already made my point so all I would do is repeat it.
But someone said Les would never tank a season but I do recall (not born yet so as I heard) the Rockets tanking to get Sampson (I think) and the Dream in consecutive years or maybe Les was not the owner then
yea les wasn't the owner back then
he started right before we won the champ
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I still have a lot of confidence in Morey... After all David Kahn could be running this team. Only thing I have against Morey is that he has this team stuck in a position where we are too good to get a decent lottery pick to try and find a super star.
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With regards to Morey, his attempts to lure high paying free agents via sign and trades by teams was a good plan, with one caveat...
Players on unsuccessful teams but can still demand a max contract will rather play on other Teams with an established franchise in a large media market with another star that also gets max money.
Players are the culprit here. Morey over-estimated the bargaining power of the extra millions and year when the opportunity cost is the ability to win quickly, signified by the other star player. The offset money of endorsement deals was probably not factored in because it's not a cost that can be estimated easily. But with the league expanding across the Oceans all the more, face time in a large market is golden.
Because we didn't get into the playoffs last year, our media market is split with San Antonio and Dallas nationally and Kevin Martin and Kyle Lowry were still sleepers, no free agents looked at Houston seriously.
Now with established double digit scorers on the 1,2 and 4, if we had kept Adelman, players will look at how this team performed in the last year, especially after the all star break. They might have considered this team as a new place of employ. That use to be an attraction to help rebuild a franchise, bit by bit. Ownership long ceased to find that to be attractive, and the players also have responded accordingly.
With a new coach, the Rockets will appear like a project once more. The perception of the franchise right now again at the middle rather than the upswing of a rebuild, so that would hurt recruitment of prospective free agents.
It's obvious that Morey wants the new head coach to want to be trained in the use of the information his statisticians produce. I think Morey is looking for is a person who has played the sport before at a high level and can explain the numbers in basketball-ese to players, or that one whom would be trainable to fulfill such a task. He basically needs to get David Robinson out of San Antonio.
Players on unsuccessful teams but can still demand a max contract will rather play on other Teams with an established franchise in a large media market with another star that also gets max money.
Players are the culprit here. Morey over-estimated the bargaining power of the extra millions and year when the opportunity cost is the ability to win quickly, signified by the other star player. The offset money of endorsement deals was probably not factored in because it's not a cost that can be estimated easily. But with the league expanding across the Oceans all the more, face time in a large market is golden.
Because we didn't get into the playoffs last year, our media market is split with San Antonio and Dallas nationally and Kevin Martin and Kyle Lowry were still sleepers, no free agents looked at Houston seriously.
Now with established double digit scorers on the 1,2 and 4, if we had kept Adelman, players will look at how this team performed in the last year, especially after the all star break. They might have considered this team as a new place of employ. That use to be an attraction to help rebuild a franchise, bit by bit. Ownership long ceased to find that to be attractive, and the players also have responded accordingly.
With a new coach, the Rockets will appear like a project once more. The perception of the franchise right now again at the middle rather than the upswing of a rebuild, so that would hurt recruitment of prospective free agents.
It's obvious that Morey wants the new head coach to want to be trained in the use of the information his statisticians produce. I think Morey is looking for is a person who has played the sport before at a high level and can explain the numbers in basketball-ese to players, or that one whom would be trainable to fulfill such a task. He basically needs to get David Robinson out of San Antonio.
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I say he should have done everything possible to keep Adelman. Let Adelman dictate the direction of the team if you have to. The guy obviously knows his stuff and the Kings completely fell apart after they let him go. I wouldn't be surprised if this team goes in the direction of the Kings after making a move like that. I remember reading that either Adelman or Morey wanted to trade for a superstar and the other didn't agree. Does anyone remember reading that?
Edit: Nvm. Morey is the one who wanted to go after a superstar and Alexander is the one who didn't want to make a move.
Edit: Nvm. Morey is the one who wanted to go after a superstar and Alexander is the one who didn't want to make a move.
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http://www.thedreamshake.com/2011/5/2/2 ... fseason-or
Very convoluted article, but he makes some nice points once he starts getting into his bullets.
Very convoluted article, but he makes some nice points once he starts getting into his bullets.
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