2010-11 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread

[Silk Wilkes]

does anyone think Davis could be traded to bring that defensive C to put beside Bargnani?

Id obviously rather Andrea traded but have we discussed the possibility of Amir or Davis being shipped out?

I don't really see Davis being moved because he provides production on a rookie deal. I could see one of Andrea or Amir being moved though, preferably Andrea. I love Amir

[Rapsobsessed7]

does anyone think Davis could be traded to bring that defensive C to put beside Bargnani?

Id obviously rather Andrea traded but have we discussed the possibility of Amir or Davis being shipped out?

I don't really see Davis being moved because he provides production on a rookie deal. I could see one of Andrea or Amir being moved though, preferably Andrea. I love Amir

yeah me too but i could see BC trading one of Davis or Amir to compliment Andrea which would be a mistake IMO. What would be option for Amir/Davis trades?

[Silk Wilkes]

does anyone think Davis could be traded to bring that defensive C to put beside Bargnani?

Id obviously rather Andrea traded but have we discussed the possibility of Amir or Davis being shipped out?

I don't really see Davis being moved because he provides production on a rookie deal. I could see one of Andrea or Amir being moved though, preferably Andrea. I love Amir

yeah me too but i could see BC trading one of Davis or Amir to compliment Andrea which would be a mistake IMO. What would be option for Amir/Davis trades?

I honestly can't think of anyone. The only names that come to mind without having to pair Ed with a bad contract and lowering his value are Cousins and Ibaka, but I doubt the other team bites.

[Rapsobsessed7]

i was thinking Horford someway, somehow. ATL management said if they dont win the series theres gonna be major changes.

[Silk Wilkes]

i was thinking Horford someway, somehow. ATL management said if they dont win the series theres gonna be major changes.

But does downgrading to Davis, who plays a similar style to Josh Smith really work?

[Rapsobsessed7]

i was thinking Horford someway, somehow. ATL management said if they dont win the series theres gonna be major changes.

But does downgrading to Davis, who plays a similar to Josh Smith really work?

well by major changes i assumed rebuild... and Smith could move to the 3 if need be. I think theyd want Bargnani and might be potential for a deal with him. Dont know if they want Davis but i could see them interested in him, maybe in a 3 way deal.

Would a Horford/Davis front court work for us? If so would you trade Bargnani + #3 + Filler for Horford + Williams? I assumed ATL would go with

Hinrich
Johnson
Smith
Bargnani
Kanter

[Silk Wilkes]

i was thinking Horford someway, somehow. ATL management said if they dont win the series theres gonna be major changes.

But does downgrading to Davis, who plays a similar to Josh Smith really work?

well by major changes i assumed rebuild... and Smith could move to the 3 if need be. I think theyd want Bargnani and might be potential for a deal with him. Dont know if they want Davis but i could see them interested in him, maybe in a 3 way deal.

Would a Horford/Davis front court work for us? If so would you trade Bargnani + #3 + Filler for Horford + Williams? I assumed ATL would go with

Hinrich
Johnson
Smith
Bargnani
Kanter

That's a tough one. On one hand Horford is a beast and is proven unlike Kanter. On the other hand, Horford plays Power Forward, which likely means a follow-up deal involving one of Davis/Amir needs to take place. I think it would depend on the follow-up deal.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I don't think a team with a great two-way big like Horford/Bogut (are there any others?) would move them for Bargs+#3, and I don't think we'd ultimately do it for Ed+#3 (assuming they'd be open to doing that) because of the big contracts involved.

[Silk Wilkes]

I honestly just prefer to move Bargs for Iggy and "suffer" with our lack of shooting. I think if you can have 2 dynamic wing players in the modern NBA with a beefy Centre (assuming we end up 3rd and get Kanter) you're in good shape. Not to mention a scrappy Power Forward position and a guy with a chip on his shoulder at the point. Especially considering the fact that we're not going for the championship at this point.

You then go out and sign a good veteran coach with a knack for nurturing young talent, and see who you pick up in 2012 with that draft pick. Not to mention potential free agent adds, especially if you can someway, somehow shed Jose's contract.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Yeah, I agree DeMar+Iggy would be one of the better dynamic wing tandems in the league, and would more than make up for their shortcoming in terms of their range with the positives in other areas. Andre's defense on the perimeter would be huge for us, and his playmaking would compliment Bayless' aggressive scoring style as well (Jose would probably need to be moved though, we saw how much trouble he had adjusting with another playmaking 3 in Hedo). We could probably get the bulk of our go-to scoring from those 3, and focus on solidifying our interior D, with our bigs living off the pick and roll, and efficient scoring around the basket.

[Rapsobsessed7]

assuming PHI would do a Iggy/Bargnani swap what about this?

To TOR: Lewis + #4 (WAS 1st, Knight)
To PHI: Bargnani + Lucas III (un-guaranteed) + #30 (CHI 1st)
To CHI: Barbosa
To WAS: Iguodala + Watson + Bogans (un-guaranteed, cut)

Toronto gets a PG in Knight, draft Kanter this is my favorite scenario assuming we dont get Irving. Ideally it would end up being Irving (our pick), Kanter (was pick)

Philly saves money first of all to re-sign Young. Also dont really have a need for Barbosa with Turner/Meeks. Bargnani is younger than Iggy and would complete that lineup and they grab a late 1st.

Bulls get someone to come off the bench and just score. Good fit for that lineup.

Washington upgrades from Lewis to Iguodala and get a backup PG for Wall. They need a SF and Knight would be the BPA so they trade that to upgrade a position of need.

[Silk Wilkes]

assuming PHI would do a Iggy/Bargnani swap what about this?

To TOR: Lewis + #4 (WAS 1st, Knight)
To PHI: Bargnani + Lucas III (un-guaranteed) + #30 (CHI 1st)
To CHI: Barbosa
To WAS: Iguodala + Watson + Bogans (un-guaranteed, cut)

Toronto gets a PG in Knight, draft Kanter this is my favorite scenario assuming we dont get Irving. Ideally it would end up being Irving (our pick), Kanter (was pick)

Philly saves money first of all to re-sign Young. Also dont really have a need for Barbosa with Turner/Meeks. Bargnani is younger than Iggy and would complete that lineup and they grab a late 1st.

Bulls get someone to come off the bench and just score. Good fit for that lineup.

Washington upgrades from Lewis to Iguodala and get a backup PG for Wall. They need a SF and Knight would be the BPA so they trade that to upgrade a position of need.

No way I give up Bargnani, and lose out on Iggy just to get Rashard Lewis' massive deal and a point guard extremely similar to the one we currently have. I prefer to come out with Iggy & Kanter than Lewis, Kanter & Knight, based on what we currently have. Now, if you have a nice deal set-up to trade Jerryd I'd continue to be intrigued.

[WhatsaTDot]

I think with PHI making the playoffs they are probably happy to keep Brand and Iggy rather than save money.

And the suggested WAS piece would be counter intuitive to what they have been doing the past 12 months. They will surely want to keep that #4.

[Silk Wilkes]

I think with PHI making the playoffs they are probably happy to keep Brand and Iggy rather than save money.

And the suggested WAS piece would be counter intuitive to what they have been doing the past 12 months. They will surely want to keep that #4.

I don't think they're in the mindset that Brand and/or Iggy will get them anywhere near a championship making that kind of money as their 1 and 2 options.

[WhatsaTDot]

I think with PHI making the playoffs they are probably happy to keep Brand and Iggy rather than save money.

And the suggested WAS piece would be counter intuitive to what they have been doing the past 12 months. They will surely want to keep that #4.

I don't think they're in the mindset that Brand and/or Iggy will get them anywhere near a championship making that kind of money as their 1 and 2 options.

Likely not, but I think they're now less inclined to package those guys with picks to clear salary. Phi overachieved by many people's expectations and I think this allows them to wait for a better opportunity to move either one of them.

[Ducksplatt]

They really don't want Speights either. We pretty much take their problems and give them some cap space while acquiring one of the best wing defenders in the league. A DeRozan/Iguodala wing combo is only second/third to Boston & Miami in the East.

I don't think they feel that having, as you said, one of the best wing defenders in the league is a problem. And Speights only makes 2.7 million next year (as opposed to Barbosa's 7.6).

Listen, I don't want to get in a p*ssing match with everyone here but you are overvaluing Bargs and undervaluing Iggy. Why don't you post this trade on the trade forum board to see what Philly fans want. From everything I hear, they want a high draft pick or a all-star like Iggy. I would not put Bargs in that latter category.

If you took the time to actually read previous posts you'd know that this idea has already been discussed on the Sixers board.

My apologies. Could you possibly attach the link so I can read what they said. I can't believe Philly fans want Bargs but I would be interested in reading there thoughts.

[Silk Wilkes]

I don't think they feel that having, as you said, one of the best wing defenders in the league is a problem. And Speights only makes 2.7 million next year (as opposed to Barbosa's 7.6).

Listen, I don't want to get in a p*ssing match with everyone here but you are overvaluing Bargs and undervaluing Iggy. Why don't you post this trade on the trade forum board to see what Philly fans want. From everything I hear, they want a high draft pick or a all-star like Iggy. I would not put Bargs in that latter category.

If you took the time to actually read previous posts you'd know that this idea has already been discussed on the Sixers board.

My apologies. Could you possibly attach the link so I can read what they said. I can't believe Philly fans want Bargs but I would be interested in reading there thoughts.

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[douggood]

Raptors have something like 9.32 million left on the tpe

So Andris Biedrins(9 mil for the next 3) + First round pick this year (11th) + a future lotto protected pick for barbosa

both teams will end up with tpe, raptors for 7.6 mil. denver for 9mil, and the clock starts again on the raptors tpe instead of it expiring in july.

I used the baron davis trade as a baraometer, cleveland basically picked up and extra 20 mil in salary for the 7th pick in the draft.

[Silk Wilkes]

Raptors have something like 9.32 million left on the tpe

So Andris Biedrins(9 mil for the next 3) + First round pick this year (11th) + a future lotto protected pick for barbosa

both teams will end up with tpe, raptors for 7.6 mil. denver for 9mil, and the clock starts again on the raptors tpe instead of it expiring in july.

I used the baron davis trade as a baraometer, cleveland basically picked up and extra 20 mil in salary for the 7th pick in the draft.

I'd do that, no question. Post it on the trade board, I'm interested to see what "Don Nelson", "Old Rem", "Coxy", and the rest of the Golden State homers have to say in terms of shooting it down. I'd assume something like Toronto fans claim Biedrins have low value yet they're always trying to trade for him, or Biedrins is a young Centre that you don't just give away yada yada yada...

[Rapsobsessed7]

Raptors have something like 9.32 million left on the tpe

So Andris Biedrins(9 mil for the next 3) + First round pick this year (11th) + a future lotto protected pick for barbosa

both teams will end up with tpe, raptors for 7.6 mil. denver for 9mil, and the clock starts again on the raptors tpe instead of it expiring in july.

I used the baron davis trade as a baraometer, cleveland basically picked up and extra 20 mil in salary for the 7th pick in the draft.

i think the extra pick is over kill (the lottery protected one), CLE got #8 for Davis basically, Biedrins is younger than Davis, i doubt you get 2 picks out of them. They also only save 1.4 million in that deal right away while saving 18 over the next 2 years. Not bad. Biedrins + #11 for Barbosa works, no need for the TE being used. What might make more sense would be.

Biedrins + #11 for TE

Klezia for Bell

this way GSW saves money right away (9 million) to go after a FA C, Raptors dont take on such a huge financial hit. Although i do believe any deal until done after July 1 would put Toronto into tax. So it would have to be like the JO deal where GSW picks for us and the deal consummated on July 1.

Im not inlove with anyone at #11 though so i dont even know if id do that.

Has anyone thought of the Spurs as a destination for Bargnani?