Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

Skates · Post #901 » by **Skates** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:55 pm

Bargnani would be an interesting pick-up only if he could really slide over and play the 3 like some have suggested. He is too pathetically bad of a rebounder to play the 4 or 5 long term, plus a very indifferent defender. I don't think Bargnani's fairly relaxed way of playing would win over many in Philly, he is pretty much the antithesis of what Philly players are all about. An intriguing talent for sure, but he could end up getting booed out of town pretty quickly.

Kobblehead · Post #902 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:02 pm

Offensively in the halfcourt, this team would be something to watch though. Between Brand's range stretching out to the elbow and Bargs stretching out to beyond three point line. Holiday and Turner would get about 10 layups a game between the two of them.

Silk Wilkes · Post #903 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:04 pm

Are you guys talking about him as a 3, 4 or 5?

Ruhiel · Post #904 » by **Ruhiel** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:17 pm

Youngblood wrote:Are you guys talking about him as a 3, 4 or 5?

Bargnani cannot play the 3 very well, unless u have Dwight Howard and Duncan at the 4 and 5.
Even then I think this shows how much fans value 3 point shooting over defense. :lol:

Silk Wilkes · Post #905 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:23 pm

Ruhiel wrote:
Youngblood wrote:Are you guys talking about him as a 3, 4 or 5?

Bargnani cannot play the 3 very well, unless u have Dwight Howard and Duncan at the 4 and 5.
Even then I think this shows how much fans value 3 point shooting over defense.

I know we did that with Bargs/Bosh/JO and it was meh :lol:

JO provided epic rim protection though and he was actually turning Bargs into a man, then our smartass GM traded him for a rented bag of chips named Shawn Marion...who turned into Turkeypoo.

Bargs has played Centre almost his entire time in Toronto when he's clearly a Power Forward. I think he could do wonders for your offense though at the 4. Would Speights be a fair filler with Iggy for Bargs + Barbosa? I just saw that his salary would match so I thought I'd inquire.

Ruhiel · Post #906 » by **Ruhiel** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:49 pm

Youngblood wrote:
Ruhiel wrote:
Youngblood wrote:Are you guys talking about him as a 3, 4 or 5?

Bargnani cannot play the 3 very well, unless u have Dwight Howard and Duncan at the 4 and 5.
Even then I think this shows how much fans value 3 point shooting over defense.

I know we did that with Bargs/Bosh/JO and it was meh JO provided epic rim protection though and he was actually turning Bargs into a man, then our smartass GM traded him for a rented bag of chips named Shawn Marion...who turned into Turkeypoo.

Bargs has played Centre almost his entire time in Toronto when he's clearly a Power Forward. I think he could do wonders for your offense though at the 4. Would Speights be a fair filler with Iggy for Bargs + Barbosa? I just saw that his salary would match so I thought I'd inquire.

I think Bargnani could be a 7'0 stretch 4 like a bootleg Duncan, problem is Brand is the 4 here. Bargs is an upgrade from Hawes.

Skates · Post #907 » by **Skates** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:57 pm

At this point in his career, Speights middle name might as well be 'filler'. If you enjoyed Bargnani not playing defense, just wait until you get to watch Speights, although in fairness Speights is a pretty decent per minute rebounder when motivated.

Silk Wilkes · Post #908 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:04 pm

Ruhiel wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
Ruhiel wrote:
Bargnani cannot play the 3 very well, unless u have Dwight Howard and Duncan at the 4 and 5.
Even then I think this shows how much fans value 3 point shooting over defense.

I know we did that with Bargs/Bosh/JO and it was meh JO provided epic rim protection though and he was actually turning Bargs into a man, then our smartass GM traded him for a rented bag of chips named Shawn Marion...who turned into Turkeypoo.

Bargs has played Centre almost his entire time in Toronto when he's clearly a Power Forward. I think he could do wonders for your offense though at the 4. Would Speights be a fair filler with Iggy for Bargs + Barbosa? I just saw that his salary would match so I thought I'd inquire.

I think Bargnani could be a 7'0 stretch 4 like a bootleg Duncan, problem is Brand is the 4 here. Bargs is an upgrade from Hawes.

With Elton Brand it's more interesting. Plus, you guys have Thad Young at the small forward. It could work to get you guys to another level. Not title contenders by any means, but just to take another step.

Skates wrote:At this point in his career, Speights middle name might as well be 'filler'. If you enjoyed Bargnani not playing defense, just wait until you get to watch Speights, although in fairness Speights is a pretty decent per minute rebounder when motivated.

He'd be our 3rd power forward behind Davis and Johnson anyways. He's just to match the salaries.

SJSF · Post #909 » by **SJSF** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:19 pm

No interest in Bargnani. I want cap room and young player on a rookie contact or a player making 6m or less. Brand has 2 years left and i want as much cap room as possible.

Ruhiel · Post #910 » by **Ruhiel** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:29 pm

SJSF wrote:No interest in Bargnani. I want cap room and young player on a rookie contact or a player making 6m or less. Brand has 2 years left and i want as much cap room as possible.

1)
Terry (2 years)
Mahinmi (6'9 French center)(R contract)
Dominique Jones*(R contract)
for
Iguodala

*Roddy Beaubois would work financially as well

But Mavs would want something back maybe cash or Marion (4 years) for Lou Williams

2) Terry (expiring)
Mahinmi (6'9 French center)(R contract)
Roddy Beaubois*(R contract)
Shawn Marion (4 years)($7million)
for
Iguodala
Williams

Kobblehead · Post #911 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:04 am

What's the deal with you wanting to give up Terry. From my view, he's one of the three most important players on your team.

What's Mahinmi's problem? Why can't he play extended minutes? Is he destined to be one of those short spurt players his whole career? I thought he would be more developed by now.

Ruhiel · Post #912 » by **Ruhiel** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:38 am

Kobblehead wrote:What's the deal with you wanting to give up Terry. From my view, he's one of the three most important players on your team.

Terry is best defending point guards but Mavs prefer to have Barea or Kidd there. The backcourt is undersized in the Western playoffs. Mavs need a 2-way player like Josh Howard without the problems.
Honestly Young and Iguodala would offset any lack of athleticsim that Kidd and Nowitzki have. Iguodala's slashing would leave Dirk open off kick and drives versus always having to create.

Kobblehead wrote:What's Mahinmi's problem? Why can't he play extended minutes? Is he destined to be one of those short spurt players his whole career? I thought he would be more developed by now.

He's more of a athletic power forward-center like Ibaka. He has size and potential but unfortunately Dirk is not physical like an Elton Brand. To win with Dirk Nowitzki Mavs need a Kendrick Perkins/Okafor body type center. The best Mavs can get seems to be Chandler.

MarJJMar · Post #913 » by **MarJJMar** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:46 pm

Uh Chandler is better than Okafor or Perkins.

SJSF · Post #914 » by **SJSF** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:13 pm

a healthy Chandler is good. But he has been hurt so much in his career. He is the reason the Mavs are good.

Ruhiel · Post #915 » by **Ruhiel** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:05 pm

MarJJMar wrote:Uh Chandler is better than Okafor or Perkins.

lol

eathb_au · Post #916 » by **eathb_au** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:13 am

Would you guys do Felton + Wilson Chandler (S&T) for Iggy?

corwin · Post #917 » by **corwin** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:23 am

No. Chandler is a RFA & looks to get paid. Both guys are redundant on the Sixers.

SJSF · Post #918 » by **SJSF** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:37 pm

We need cap relief/a young big/ or a pick. Or a combo of them. Felton is Lou Williams.

Winejk · Post #919 » by **Winejk** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:19 pm

For those of you so intent on trading Iguodala and are printing his ticket out of town, this article might make you think twice.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... ixers.html

I personally think Iguodala is too important to this franchise. If he goes, this team gets worse. Too many people on this board only look at the points, but basketball is an all around game where defense, playing in a system, rebounding, passing, dribbling...it all matters. Iguodala is proficient in too many categories to ignore his contributions to the team.

And for those of you who complain about Iguodala missing so many shots at the end of games or in the clutch, have you seen Lebron's and Wade's numbers in last second situations to tie or win? They are like 1-19 or somehting like that. And I dispute that notion that Iguodala never hits clutch shots. He's hit a shot to beat the Lakers last season. He hit a late shot to seal the win in the Orlando series two seasons ago. Those two are the ones I remember the most. It is not like he never makes one.

MarJJMar · Post #920 » by **MarJJMar** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:19 pm

SJSF wrote:We need cap relief/a young big/ or a pick. Or a combo of them. Felton is Lou Williams.

Realistically..

You won't get cap relief for Iguodala without adding something.
You won't get a good young big for him.
And you won't get a high pick for him.

Certainly not a combo of those. Iguodala isn't worth very much and the knee thing doesn't increase his value.