Cammo's 2011 NFL Mock Draft

Cammo101 · Post #101 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:50 pm

4/22/11

1. Carolina - Cameron Newton (QB, Auburn)
2. Denver - Marcell Dareus (DT, Alabama)
3. Buffalo - Von Miller (LB, Texas A&M)
4. Cincinnati - AJ Green (WR, Georgia)
5. Arizona - Patrick Peterson (CB, LSU)
6. Cleveland - Robert Quinn (DE, North Carolina)
7. San Francisco - Blaine Gabbert (QB, Missouri)
8. Tennessee - Nick Fairley (DT, Auburn)
9. Dallas - Tyron Smith (OT, USC)
10. Washington - Julio Jones (WR, Alabama)
11. Houston - Aldon Smith (DE, Missouri)
12. Minnesota - Prince Amukamara (CB, Nebraska)
13. Detroit - JJ Watt (DE, Wisconsin)
14. St. Louis - Corey Liuget (DT, Illinois)
15. Miami - Cameron Jordan (DE, California)
16. Jacksonville - Ryan Kerrigan (DE, Purdue)
17. New England - Anthony Costanzo (OT, Boston College)
18. San Diego - Muhammad Wilkerson (DE, Temple)
19. NY Giants - Akeem Ayers (LB, UCLA)
20. Tampa Bay - Justin Houston (DE, Georgia)
21. Kansas City - Nate Solder (OT, Colorado)
22. Indianapolis - Gabe Carimi (OT, Wisconsin)
23. Philadelphia - Jimmy Smith (CB, Colorado)
24. New Orleans - Da'Quan Bowers (DE, Clemson)
25. Seattle - Jake Locker (QB, Washington)
26. Baltimore - Cameron Heyward (DE, Ohio State)
27. Atlanta - Kyle Rudolph (TE, Notre Dame)
28. New England - Christian Ponder (QB, Florida State)
29. Chicago - Derek Sherrod (OT, Mississippi State)
30. NY Jets - Adrian Clayborn (DE, Iowa)
31. Pittsburgh - Mike Pouncey (OG, Florida)
32. Green Bay - Brooks Reed (DE, Arizona)

33. New England - Mark Ingram (RB, Alabama)
34. Buffalo - Andy Dalton (QB, TCU)
35. Cincinnati - Ryan Mallett (QB, Arkansas)
36. Denver - Marvin Austin (DT, North Carolina)
37. Cleveland - Jonathan Baldwin (WR, Pittsburgh)
38. Arizona - Jabaal Sheard (DE, Pittsburgh)
39. Tennessee - Rahim Moore (S, UCLA)
40. Dallas - Aaron Williams (CB, Texas)
41. Washington - Colin Kaepernick (QB, Nevada)
42. Houston - Stephen Paea (DT, Oregon State)
43. Minnesota - Phil Taylor (DT, Baylor)
44. Detroit - Benjamin Ijalana (OG, Villanova)
45. San Francisco - Danny Watkins (OG, Baylor)
46. Denver - Martez Wilson (LB, Illinois)
47. St. Louis - Randall Cobb (WR, Kentucky)
48. Oakland - Stefen Wisniewski (C, Penn State)
49. Jacksonville - Brandon Harris (CB, Miami)
50. San Diego - Torrey Smith (WR, Maryland)
51. Tampa Bay - Allen Bailey (DE, Miami)
52. NY Giants - Ryan Williams (RB, Virginia Tech)
53. Indianapolis - Rodney Hudson (OG, Florida State)
54. Philadelphia - Marcus Cannon (OT, TCU)
55. Kansas City - Sam Acho (DE, Texas)
56. New Orleans - Ras-I Dowling (CB, Virginia)
57. Seattle - Orlando Franklin (OG, Miami)
58. Baltimore - Titus Young (WR, Boise State)
59. Atlanta - Leonard Hankerson (WR, Miami)
60. New England - Jerrel Jernigan (WR, Troy)
61. San Diego - Quinton Carter (S, Oklahoma)
62. Chicago - Davon House (CB, New Mexico State)
63. Pittsburgh - Curtis Brown (CB, Texas)
64. Green Bay - Mikel Leshoure (RB, Illinois)

65. Carolina - Christian Ballard (DE, Iowa)
66. Cincinnati - DeMarco Murray (RB, Oklahoma)
67. Denver - Taiwan Jones (RB, Eastern Washington)
68. Buffalo - James Carpenter (OT, Alabama)
69. Arizona - James Brewer (OT, Indiana)
70. Cleveland - Johnny Patrick (CB, Louisville)
71. Dallas - DeAndre McDaniel (S, Clemson)
72. New Orleans - Quan Sturdivant (LB, North Carolina)
73. Houston - Greg Little (WR, North Carolina)
74. New England - Jurrell Casey (DT, USC)
75. Detroit - Greg Jones (LB, Michigan State)
76. San Francisco - Chris Carter (DE, Fresno State)
77. Tennessee - Edmond Gates (WR, Abilene Christian)
78. St. Louis - Clint Boling (OG, Georgia)
79. Miami - Jordan Todman (RB, Connecticut)
80. Jacksonville - Tandon Doss (WR, Indiana)
81. Oakland - Chimdi Chekwa (CB, Ohio State)
82 San Diego - Jarvis Jenkins (DT, Clemson)
83. NY Giants - Darius Morris (OT, Temple)
84. Tampa Bay - Lance Kendricks (TE, Wisconsin)
85. Philadelphia - Mason Foster (LB, Washington)
86. Kansas City - Kenrick Ellis (DT, Hampton)
87. Indianapolis - Tyler Sash (S, Iowa)
88. New Orleans - Rashad Carmichael (CB, Virginia Tech)
89. San Diego - Marcus Gilbert (OT, Florida)
90. Baltimore - Brandon Burton (CB, Utah)
91. Atlanta - Shane Vareen (RB, California)
92. New England - Dontay Moch (LB, Nevada)
93. Chicago - Bruce Carter (LB, North Carolina)
94. NY Jets - Deunta Williams (S, North Carolina)
95. Pittsburgh - Luke Stocker (TE, Tennessee)
96. Green Bay - Casey Matthews (LB, Oregon)
97. Carolina - Joseph Barksdale (OT, LSU)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

RIPskaterdude · Post #102 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:26 pm

I've heard a few rumors that if Gabbert is available at #7, the Niners might trade down with Washington or Minnesota (and pick up Prince instead). If something like this was to happen, what would be the asking price?

Post #103 » by **The Duke** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:10 am

ripe_pear1?

For the Vikings:

@12 - Excellent Pick in Prince A.. (BPA & need)
@43 - Good Value Pick in Phil Taylor (BPA & need)

Both of these players would be starters from Day 1. Our CB personal will transition to secondary with Prince on board. Taylor will take over Pat Williams stating position.

Alternative Picks @43 would be Benjamin Ijalana, Stephen Wisniewski

Post #104 » by **kdawg32086** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:31 am

For the Ravens:

Round #1: Heyward is a pretty good pick here. He could eventually replace Redding playing opposite Ngata. OLB is still a pretty big need too. Right now, Suggs is the only consistent pass rusher on the team and when he gets tired, the corners are like sitting ducks. I wouldn't be surprised if Ozzie went and got a pass rushing OLB with the first rounder. Justin Houston and Akeem Ayers are both possibilities.

Round #2: Great pick. I expect that Ozzie will be targeting guys like Smith and Young in the 2nd round. Too many possession receivers on the roster and not enough who can stretch the field. If neither is there, he could look for someone like Denarious Moore in a later round. Sleeper WR pick for Baltimore could be Deandre Brown. He's definitely the type of high risk, high reward pick I could see Ozzie making.

Round #3: I still don't think Baltimore takes a CB early on, unless they move up for Amukamara, since Peterson is out of reach. With a roster full of #2 corners last season, I don't see the point in drafting another #2. Webb and Foxworth are healthy again and two of Washington/Wilson/Carr will probably be back next year.

Cammo101 · Post #105 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:13 am

4/26/11

1. Carolina - Cameron Newton (QB, Auburn)
2. Denver - Marcell Dareus (DT, Alabama)
3. Buffalo - Von Miller (LB, Texas A&M)
4. Cincinnati - AJ Green (WR, Georgia)
5. Arizona - Patrick Peterson (CB, LSU)
6. Cleveland - Robert Quinn (DE, North Carolina)
7. San Francisco - Blaine Gabbert (QB, Missouri)
8. Tennessee - Nick Fairley (DT, Auburn)
9. Dallas - Tyron Smith (OT, USC)
10. Washington - Julio Jones (WR, Alabama)
11. Houston - Prince Amukamara (CB, Nebraska)
12. Minnesota - Jake Locker (QB, Washington)
13. Detroit - Aldon Smith (DE, Missouri)
14. St. Louis - Corey Liuget (DT, Illinois)
15. Miami - Mike Pouncey (OG, Florida)
16. Jacksonville - Ryan Kerrigan (DE, Purdue)
17. New England - Cameron Jordan (DE, California)
18. San Diego - JJ Watt (DE, Wisconsin)
19. NY Giants - Anthony Costanzo (OT, Boston College)
20. Tampa Bay - Justin Houston (DE, Georgia)
21. Kansas City - Nate Solder (OT, Colorado)
22. Indianapolis - Gabe Carimi (OT, Wisconsin)
23. Philadelphia - Jimmy Smith (CB, Colorado)
24. New Orleans - Da'Quan Bowers (DE, Clemson)
25. Seattle - Muhammad Wilkerson (DE, Temple)
26. Baltimore - Cameron Heyward (DE, Ohio State)
27. Atlanta - Kyle Rudolph (TE, Notre Dame)
28. New England - Brooks Reed (DE, Arizona)
29. Chicago - Derek Sherrod (OT, Mississippi State)
30. NY Jets - Phil Taylor (DT, Baylor)
31. Pittsburgh - Danny Watkins (OG, Baylor)
32. Green Bay - Jabaal Sheard (DE, Pittsburgh)

33. New England - Mark Ingram (RB, Alabama)
34. Buffalo - Christian Ponder (QB, Florida State)
35. Cincinnati - Ryan Mallett (QB, Arkansas)
36. Denver - Adrian Clayborn (DE, Iowa)
37. Cleveland - Marvin Austin (DT, North Carolina)
38. Arizona - Akeem Ayers (LB, UCLA)
39. Tennessee - Andy Dalton (QB, TCU)
40. Dallas - Aaron Williams (CB, Texas)
41. Washington - Colin Kaepernick (QB, Nevada)
42. Houston - Stephen Paea (DT, Oregon State)
43. Minnesota - Brandon Harris (CB, Miami)
44. Detroit - Rahim Moore (S, UCLA)
45. San Francisco - Benjamin Ijalana (OG, Villanova)
46. Denver - Martez Wilson (LB, Illinois)
47. St. Louis - Jonathan Baldwin (WR, Pittsburgh)
48. Oakland - Stefen Wisniewski (C, Penn State)
49. Jacksonville - Torrey Smith (WR, Maryland)
50. San Diego - Randall Cobb (WR, Kentucky)
51. Tampa Bay - Allen Bailey (DE, Miami)
52. NY Giants - Ryan Williams (RB, Virginia Tech)
53. Indianapolis - Rodney Hudson (OG, Florida State)
54. Philadelphia - Marcus Cannon (OT, TCU)
55. Kansas City - Sam Acho (DE, Texas)
56. New Orleans - Ras-I Dowling (CB, Virginia)
57. Seattle - Greg McElroy (QB, Alabama)
58. Baltimore - Titus Young (WR, Boise State)
59. Atlanta - Mikel Leshoure (RB, Illinois)
60. New England - Jerrel Jernigan (WR, Troy)
61. San Diego - Quinton Carter (S, Oklahoma)
62. Chicago - Leonard Hankerson (WR, Miami)
63. Pittsburgh - Davon House (CB, New Mexico State)
64. Green Bay - Orlando Franklin (OG, Miami)

65. Carolina - Christian Ballard (DE, Iowa)
66. Cincinnati - Curtis Brown (CB, Texas)
67. Denver - DeMarco Murray (RB, Oklahoma)
68. Buffalo - James Carpenter (OT, Alabama)
69. Arizona - James Brewer (OT, Indiana)
70. Cleveland - Greg Little (WR, North Carolina)
71. Dallas - DeAndre McDaniel (S, Clemson)
72. New Orleans - Quan Sturdivant (LB, North Carolina)
73. Houston - Chris Carter (DE, Fresno State)
74. New England - Johnny Patrick (CB, Louisville)
75. Detroit - Marcus Gilbert (OT, Florida)
76. San Francisco - Jarvis Jenkins (DT, Clemson)
77. Tennessee - Edmond Gates (WR, Abilene Christian)
78. St. Louis - Clint Boling (OG, Georgia)
79. Miami - Taiwan Jones (RB, Eastern Washington)
80. Jacksonville - Rashad Carmichael (CB, Virginia Tech)
81. Oakland - Chimdi Chekwa (CB, Ohio State)
82. San Diego - Greg Jones (LB, Michigan State)
83. NY Giants - Dontay Moch (LB, Nevada)
84. Tampa Bay - Lance Kendricks (TE, Wisconsin)
85. Philadelphia - Bruce Carter (LB, North Carolina)
86. Kansas City - Tandon Doss (WR, Indiana)
87. Indianapolis - Tyler Sash (S, Iowa)
88. New Orleans - Brandon Burton (CB, Utah)
89. San Diego - Darius Morris (OT, Temple)
90. Baltimore - Luke Stocker (TE, Tennessee)
91. Atlanta - Jordan Todman (RB, Connecticut)
92. New England - Mason Foster (LB, Washington)
93. Chicago - Kenrick Ellis (DT, Hampton)
94. NY Jets - Deunta Williams (S, North Carolina)
95. Pittsburgh - Joseph Barksdale (OT, LSU)
96. Green Bay - Casey Matthews (LB, Oregon)
97. Carolina - Jurrell Casey (DT, USC)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

TSE · Post #106 » by **TSE** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:37 am

Detroit is loaded at DE quantity-wise moreso than any other position on the team, they have 5 guys that are possibly worth a roster spot, it makes no sense to take Aldon Smith. If they were going to splurge for a DE, they would do it for Bowers only and I'm willing to bet they have Bowers much higher on their board. I even have Kerrigan higher on my board than Aldon, and I'd be willing to take Castonzo ahead of him. We need a LT for the future, and many other positions, and might already have to cut one of our interesting DE players before we even add one!

They might even be willing to take Jimmy Smith or Pouncey or a RB ahead of Aldon there. Liuget at DT is worth close to that range, and yeah we have Suh, but we still have more DEs on the roster than DT.

Also, Rahim Moore at 44, don't see him dropping that far, or Leshoure dropping all the way to 59. And I can't see the Lions passing on Bruce Carter in the 3rd round for some lame OT, we already have Jason Fox, a low round OT project, we need a high round OT or no OT in this draft. We are extremely thin at LB and I'm telling you Mayhew is going to go after some LB in the 2nd or 3rd round, if not a pair of them in this draft.

DirtyDez · Post #107 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:23 am

Cammo101 wrote:4/26/11

1. Carolina - Cameron Newton (QB, Auburn)
2. Denver - Marcell Dareus (DT, Alabama)
3. Buffalo - Von Miller (LB, Texas A&M)
4. Cincinnati - AJ Green (WR, Georgia)
5. Arizona - Patrick Peterson (CB, LSU)
6. Cleveland - Robert Quinn (DE, North Carolina)
7. San Francisco - Blaine Gabbert (QB, Missouri)
8. Tennessee - Nick Fairley (DT, Auburn)
9. Dallas - Tyron Smith (OT, USC)
10. Washington - Julio Jones (WR, Alabama)
11. Houston - Prince Amukamara (CB, Nebraska)
12. Minnesota - Jake Locker (QB, Washington)
13. Detroit - Aldon Smith (DE, Missouri)
14. St. Louis - Corey Liuget (DT, Illinois)
15. Miami - Mike Pouncey (OG, Florida)
16. Jacksonville - Ryan Kerrigan (DE, Purdue)
17. New England - Cameron Jordan (DE, California)
18. San Diego - JJ Watt (DE, Wisconsin)
19. NY Giants - Anthony Costanzo (OT, Boston College)
20. Tampa Bay - Justin Houston (DE, Georgia)
21. Kansas City - Nate Solder (OT, Colorado)
22. Indianapolis - Gabe Carimi (OT, Wisconsin)
23. Philadelphia - Jimmy Smith (CB, Colorado)
24. New Orleans - Da'Quan Bowers (DE, Clemson)
25. Seattle - Muhammad Wilkerson (DE, Temple)
26. Baltimore - Cameron Heyward (DE, Ohio State)
27. Atlanta - Kyle Rudolph (TE, Notre Dame)
28. New England - Brooks Reed (DE, Arizona)
29. Chicago - Derek Sherrod (OT, Mississippi State)
30. NY Jets - Phil Taylor (DT, Baylor)
31. Pittsburgh - Danny Watkins (OG, Baylor)
32. Green Bay - Jabaal Sheard (DE, Pittsburgh)

33. New England - Mark Ingram (RB, Alabama)
34. Buffalo - Christian Ponder (QB, Florida State)
35. Cincinnati - Ryan Mallett (QB, Arkansas)
36. Denver - Adrian Clayborn (DE, Iowa)
37. Cleveland - Marvin Austin (DT, North Carolina)
38. Arizona - Akeem Ayers (LB, UCLA)
39. Tennessee - Andy Dalton (QB, TCU)
40. Dallas - Aaron Williams (CB, Texas)
41. Washington - Colin Kaepernick (QB, Nevada)
42. Houston - Stephen Paea (DT, Oregon State)
43. Minnesota - Brandon Harris (CB, Miami)
44. Detroit - Rahim Moore (S, UCLA)
45. San Francisco - Benjamin Ijalana (OG, Villanova)
46. Denver - Martez Wilson (LB, Illinois)
47. St. Louis - Jonathan Baldwin (WR, Pittsburgh)
48. Oakland - Stefen Wisniewski (C, Penn State)
49. Jacksonville - Torrey Smith (WR, Maryland)
50. San Diego - Randall Cobb (WR, Kentucky)
51. Tampa Bay - Allen Bailey (DE, Miami)
52. NY Giants - Ryan Williams (RB, Virginia Tech)
53. Indianapolis - Rodney Hudson (OG, Florida State)
54. Philadelphia - Marcus Cannon (OT, TCU)
55. Kansas City - Sam Acho (DE, Texas)
56. New Orleans - Ras-I Dowling (CB, Virginia)
57. Seattle - Greg McElroy (QB, Alabama)
58. Baltimore - Titus Young (WR, Boise State)
59. Atlanta - Mikel Leshoure (RB, Illinois)
60. New England - Jerrel Jernigan (WR, Troy)
61. San Diego - Quinton Carter (S, Oklahoma)
62. Chicago - Leonard Hankerson (WR, Miami)
63. Pittsburgh - Davon House (CB, New Mexico State)
64. Green Bay - Orlando Franklin (OG, Miami)

65. Carolina - Christian Ballard (DE, Iowa)
66. Cincinnati - Curtis Brown (CB, Texas)
67. Denver - DeMarco Murray (RB, Oklahoma)
68. Buffalo - James Carpenter (OT, Alabama)
69. Arizona - James Brewer (OT, Indiana)
70. Cleveland - Greg Little (WR, North Carolina)
71. Dallas - DeAndre McDaniel (S, Clemson)
72. New Orleans - Quan Sturdivant (LB, North Carolina)
73. Houston - Chris Carter (DE, Fresno State)
74. New England - Johnny Patrick (CB, Louisville)
75. Detroit - Marcus Gilbert (OT, Florida)
76. San Francisco - Jarvis Jenkins (DT, Clemson)
77. Tennessee - Edmond Gates (WR, Abilene Christian)
78. St. Louis - Clint Boling (OG, Georgia)
79. Miami - Taiwan Jones (RB, Eastern Washington)
80. Jacksonville - Rashad Carmichael (CB, Virginia Tech)
81. Oakland - Chimdi Chekwa (CB, Ohio State)
82. San Diego - Greg Jones (LB, Michigan State)
83. NY Giants - Dontay Moch (LB, Nevada)
84. Tampa Bay - Lance Kendricks (TE, Wisconsin)
85. Philadelphia - Bruce Carter (LB, North Carolina)
86. Kansas City - Tandon Doss (WR, Indiana)
87. Indianapolis - Tyler Sash (S, Iowa)
88. New Orleans - Brandon Burton (CB, Utah)
89. San Diego - Darius Morris (OT, Temple)
90. Baltimore - Luke Stocker (TE, Tennessee)
91. Atlanta - Jordan Todman (RB, Connecticut)
92. New England - Mason Foster (LB, Washington)
93. Chicago - Kenrick Ellis (DT, Hampton)
94. NY Jets - Deunta Williams (S, North Carolina)
95. Pittsburgh - Joseph Barksdale (OT, LSU)
96. Green Bay - Casey Matthews (LB, Oregon)
97. Carolina - Jurrell Casey (DT, USC)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

Ohhh i like this... I still think Newton drops and this is the biggest smokescreen we've seen in a while with Carolina.

Smooth32 · Post #108 » by **Smooth32** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:43 am

Cammo101 wrote:4/26/11
6. Cleveland - Robert Quinn (DE, North Carolina)
7. San Francisco - Blaine Gabbert (QB, Missouri)
8. Tennessee - Nick Fairley (DT, Auburn)

Based on what Tom Heckert said Thursday, I don't think the Browns pass on Fairley. Especially not for Quinn.

Cammo101 · Post #109 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:22 pm

Smooth32 wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:4/26/11
6. Cleveland - Robert Quinn (DE, North Carolina)
7. San Francisco - Blaine Gabbert (QB, Missouri)
8. Tennessee - Nick Fairley (DT, Auburn)

Based on what Tom Heckert said Thursday, I don't think the Browns pass on Fairley. Especially not for Quinn.

Where did you hear that? Everything I was reading was that the pick would come down to Quinn or Julio Jones. If they go Fairley at #6, Quinn will go #7 and likely Gabbert #8.

Smooth32 · Post #110 » by **Smooth32** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:31 pm

Cammo101 wrote:'
Where did you hear that? Everything I was reading was that the pick would come down to Quinn or Julio Jones. If they go Fairley at #6, Quinn will go #7 and likely Gabbert #8.

Heckert staunchly defended Fairley whenever he was asked questions about his character, effort, one-year wonder status, etc. The biggest clue that they really liked him was when a reporter asked why is it that Quinn is rated above Fairley and he responded by saying "well, that's not everybody's perception." So basically: they really like Fairley and have him over Quinn.

Based off of everything I've read, here's what I think the Browns big board looks like:

1: Dareus
2: Peterson
3: Green
4: Fairley
5: Quinn
6: Miller

The whole Jones thing is a smokescreen. Holmgren's and Heckert's draft philosophies don't align with them taking Jones, at least not at #6 with who is there.

Cammo101 · Post #111 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:01 pm

I just read an article saying Andy Dalton might go #8 to Tennessee. This draft is officially crazy.

TSE · Post #112 » by **TSE** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:18 pm

Smooth32 wrote:Heckert staunchly defended Fairley whenever he was asked questions about his character, effort, one-year wonder status, etc.

Do you have a link? Cause I saw a story where he was asked about player criticisms and he attacked the nature of how rampant questions are in general during the draft, but didn't see anything specific about Fairley. This article here is what I saw, and the guy writing the article is voicing his opinion about Fairley being good pick, not Heckert though, so I ask the same question the other guy asked, WHERE did you hear this or see this...

This is what I happened to see:
http://news-herald.com/articles/2011/04 ... 928839.txt

TSE · Post #113 » by **TSE** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:23 pm

Cammo101 wrote:I just read an article saying Andy Dalton might go #8 to Tennessee. This draft is officially crazy.

Well his team did go undefeated and he was highly productive. He had the highest completion % of any QB in the draft, well at least anybody talked about as a top 3 rounds QB. Scott Tolzien of Wisconsin hit 73% this year for best in the draft. He also has the best TD/INT ratio of any of the premium QBs. Sounds like he's a good smart kid that possibly has less off the field concerns or character concerns than the rest as well. That's a lot of categories that he is definitively or arguably #1 in, why shouldn't that average out to give him a healthy stock?

While we are on the subject though, my QB sleepers include Greg McElroy, very statistically sound, Tyrod Taylor, also good stats and an exciting athlete that can also run the ball, Scott Tolzien, cause he's Big 10 and quietly under the radar so could be a great value as UDFA, although my fav choice is still Kapernick who was my favorite QB overall in the draft for risk/reward, primarily cause I'm impresses with his record of hitting milestone numbers in passing/rushing. I think a lot of NFL teams don't properly use QBs as runners enough, but I think if you planned around having 2-3 QBs that were dual threats, then you could afford some of those hits and take advantage of those values as well as increase your injury insurance overall by not relying almost 100% on a single QB as the majority of teams do, at least to more of a degree than they should.

But to manage all that right, you have to have all your ducks in a row. You can't let a guy like Michael Vick slip past you and go to a team like the Eagles. That still pisses me off and will piss me off for the rest of my life. PHI had McNabb and Kolb, they had TWO QBs, they couldn't possibly have needed Vick as bad as many other teams, yet somehow they got him. That's not because they were smart, that's because every other team was stupid and incompetent and now they all have QB issues. So if I'm a team like Arizona or what not, it's not as convenient now to draft Kapernick with my 2nd round pick, cause it makes a difference if I'm pairing him with a guy like Vick that I want to give breathers to, than if I am forced to do something else. It makes more sense to get Vick first, and then have that multiple tiered gameplan to try and pickup a proper backup, so I can say hey if Colin is there in Rd 2, that might work, but I can also look at Tyrod Taylor in the next round or what not, I have options.

Smooth32 · Post #114 » by **Smooth32** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:27 pm

TSE wrote:Do you have a link? Cause I saw a story where he was asked about player criticisms and he attacked the nature of how rampant questions are in general during the draft, but didn't see anything specific about Fairley. This article here is what I saw, and the guy writing the article is voicing his opinion about Fairley being good pick, not Heckert though, so I ask the same question the other guy asked, WHERE did you hear this or see this...

This is what I happened to see:
http://news-herald.com/articles/2011/04 ... 928839.txt

Panties in a bunch much?

Here...have at it:

(On Nick Fairley and how his stock has risen and fallen since the National Championship game)- "That's part of this whole process. If you guys watch those mock drafts and they are changing guys every day and I really don't know for what reason. You watch the tape, you make your decision and you go from there. I think he is probably going up and down less than what is perceived to be. I think there are a lot of players like that though. You hear about new guys jumping all over the place and it just doesn't happen in the real world."

(On if Fairley is a one-year wonder)- "He is one-year wonder from a sack stand point. He played. I think it's a great thing to have 11.5 sacks as a defensive tackle. That's impressive. There is probably no other defensive tackle that is close to that in the draft so, you can't say he is a one-year wonder. He had a really good year but you can't say that he didn't have a good year as a sophomore. I think that's blown out of proportion too."

(On how Quinn is rated as high as Fairley even after missing the 2010 season)- "I wouldn't say everybody's perception."

(On if Fairley takes plays off)- "The stuff that is being thrown out there, it really bothers me. Some of the stuff you hear about is legit, but they toss around a lot of stuff way too easily and I do think it affects the kids. I personally don't like it. As a scouting whole in the NFL we bring it on ourselves and it's not a good thing. The scouts talk too much about their opinions to other people and I don't think they should. It's not an issue for us."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... own_1.html

TSE · Post #115 » by **TSE** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:44 pm

He's not really saying that much great about Fairly, moreso saying that you can't say these negative things about him. What does he say specific about Fairley though? He mentions the stat as a number is impressive for that position, along with some stuff that makes no sense. He says he is a one year wonder from a "sack" standpoint. He then says you can't say he's a one year and that's because nobody else comes close to him in those sacks. But how can he BE a 1 year wonder from sack standpoint, but not a 1 year wonder based upon how high his sack count was? That's not good for Fairley, those comments are just stupid mumbo jumbo anyhow that has no logical meaning to them.

He didn't say Fairly had a good sophomore year, he just said you can't say he had a bad sophomore year. A mild remark about people blowing stuff out of proportion isn't specific about Fairley or staunchly in defense of him. it's mild fluff that could be just be polite talk or trying to market that Fairley's stock shouldn't have a penalty so maybe he can find a buyer. But it doesn't really say anything direct about his love for the man or the player.

And then a whopping "it's not an issue for us". That's another comment that isn't positive as opposed to invalidates a negative attack, one of which doesn't make any sense at all. The concept that somehow Fairley takes plays is a weak claim that nobody has yet to make a logical argument for, and he's merely acknowledging the standard position that silly claims are just for quick dismissals, and so he dismissed it.

Where is the staunch defense of Fairley?

Smooth32 · Post #116 » by **Smooth32** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:16 am

Wasn't aware you knew everything....my bad.

Cammo101 · Post #117 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:43 pm

4/27/11

1. Carolina - Cameron Newton (QB, Auburn)
2. Denver - Marcell Dareus (DT, Alabama)
3. Buffalo - Von Miller (LB, Texas A&M)
4. Cincinnati - AJ Green (WR, Georgia)
5. Arizona - Patrick Peterson (CB, LSU)
6. Cleveland - Robert Quinn (DE, North Carolina)
7. San Francisco - Blaine Gabbert (QB, Missouri)
8. Tennessee - Nick Fairley (DT, Auburn)
9. Dallas - JJ Watt (DE, Wisconsin)
10. Washington - Julio Jones (WR, Alabama)
11. Houston - Prince Amukamara (CB, Nebraska)
12. Minnesota - Jake Locker (QB, Washington)
13. Detroit - Tyron Smith (OT, USC)
14. St. Louis - Aldon Smith (DE, Missouri)
15. Miami - Mike Pouncey (OG, Florida)
16. Jacksonville - Ryan Kerrigan (DE, Purdue)
17. New England - Cameron Jordan (DE, California)
18. San Diego - Muhammad Wilkerson (DE, Temple)
19. NY Giants - Anthony Costanzo (OT, Boston College)
20. Tampa Bay - Adrian Clayborn (DE, Iowa)
21. Kansas City - Nate Solder (OT, Colorado)
22. Indianapolis - Gabe Carimi (OT, Wisconsin)
23. Philadelphia - Jimmy Smith (CB, Colorado)
24. New Orleans - Da'Quan Bowers (DE, Clemson)
25. Seattle - Corey Liuget (DT, Illinois)
26. Baltimore - Cameron Heyward (DE, Ohio State)
27. Atlanta - Kyle Rudolph (TE, Notre Dame)
28. New England - Akeem Ayers (LB, UCLA)
29. Chicago - Marvin Austin (DT, North Carolina)
30. NY Jets - Phil Taylor (DT, Baylor)
31. Pittsburgh - Derek Sherrod (OT, Mississippi State)
32. Green Bay - Brooks Reed (DE, Arizona)

33. New England - Mark Ingram (RB, Alabama)
34. Buffalo - Christian Ponder (QB, Florida State)
35. Cincinnati - Ryan Mallett (QB, Arkansas)
36. Denver - Jabaal Sheard (DE, Pittsburgh)
37. Cleveland - Aaron Williams (CB, Texas)
38. Arizona - Benjamin Ijalana (OG, Villanova)
39. Tennessee - Andy Dalton (QB, TCU)
40. Dallas - Brandon Harris (CB, Miami)
41. Washington - Colin Kaepernick (QB, Nevada)
42. Houston - Stephen Paea (DT, Oregon State)
43. Minnesota - Danny Watkins (OG, Baylor)
44. Detroit - Rahim Moore (S, UCLA)
45. San Francisco - Justin Houston (DE, Georgia)
46. Denver - Ras-I Dowling (CB, Virginia)
47. St. Louis - Jonathan Baldwin (WR, Pittsburgh)
48. Oakland - Stefen Wisniewski (C, Penn State)
49. Jacksonville - Torrey Smith (WR, Maryland)
50. San Diego - Randall Cobb (WR, Kentucky)
51. Tampa Bay - Allen Bailey (DE, Miami)
52. NY Giants - Mikel Leshoure (RB, Illinois)
53. Indianapolis - Martez Wilson (LB, Illinois)
54. Philadelphia - Rodney Hudson (OG, Florida State)
55. Kansas City - Sam Acho (DE, Texas)
56. New Orleans - James Carpenter (OT, Alabama)
57. Seattle - Greg McElroy (QB, Alabama)
58. Baltimore - Titus Young (WR, Boise State)
59. Atlanta - Ryan Williams (RB, Virginia Tech)
60. New England - Jerrel Jernigan (WR, Troy)
61. San Diego - Jaiquawn Jarrett (S, Temple)
62. Chicago - Leonard Hankerson (WR, Miami)
63. Pittsburgh - Davon House (CB, New Mexico State)
64. Green Bay - Orlando Franklin (OG, Miami)

65. Carolina - Jarvis Jenkins (DT, Clemson)
66. Cincinnati - Curtis Brown (CB, Texas)
67. Denver - DeMarco Murray (RB, Oklahoma)
68. Buffalo - James Brewer (OT, Indiana)
69. Arizona - Chris Carter (DE, Fresno State)
70. Cleveland - Greg Little (WR, North Carolina)
71. Dallas - Marcus Gilbert (OT, Florida)
72. New Orleans - Quan Sturdivant (LB, North Carolina)
73. Houston - Quinton Carter (S, Oklahoma)
74. New England - DeAndre McDaniel (S, Clemson)
75. Detroit - Johnny Patrick (CB, Louisville)
76. San Francisco - Darius Morris (OT, Temple)
77. Tennessee - Edmond Gates (WR, Abilene Christian)
78. St. Louis - Clint Boling (OG, Georgia)
79. Miami - Taiwan Jones (RB, Eastern Washington)
80. Jacksonville - Rashad Carmichael (CB, Virginia Tech)
81. Oakland - Chimdi Chekwa (CB, Ohio State)
82. San Diego - Greg Jones (LB, Michigan State)
83. NY Giants - Dontay Moch (LB, Nevada)
84. Tampa Bay - Lance Kendricks (TE, Wisconsin)
85. Philadelphia - Bruce Carter (LB, North Carolina)
86. Kansas City - Tandon Doss (WR, Indiana)
87. Indianapolis - Tyler Sash (S, Iowa)
88. New Orleans - Brandon Burton (CB, Utah)
89. San Diego - Kenrick Ellis (DT, Hampton)
90. Baltimore - Luke Stocker (TE, Tennessee)
91. Atlanta - Jurrell Casey (DT, USC)
92. New England - Mason Foster (LB, Washington)
93. Chicago - Joseph Barksdale (OT, LSU)
94. NY Jets - Deunta Williams (S, North Carolina)
95. Pittsburgh - Casey Matthews (LB, Oregon)
96. Green Bay - Daniel Thomas (RB, Kansas State)
97. Carolina - Christian Ballard (DE, Iowa)

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TSE · Post #118 » by **TSE** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:15 pm

Interesting and good mock!

Cammo101 · Post #119 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:34 pm

TSE wrote:Interesting and good mock!

Thanks.

Cammo101 · Post #120 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:26 pm

4/27/11 (Big Board-Final)

1. Patrick Peterson (CB, LSU)
2. AJ Green (WR, Georgia)
3. Von Miller (LB, Texas A&M)
4. Marcell Dareus (DT, Alabama)
5. Nick Fairley (DT, Auburn)
6. Prince Amukamara (CB, Nebraska)
7. Julio Jones (WR, Alabama)
8. Robert Quinn (DE, North Carolina)
9. Cameron Jordan (DE, California)
10. Tyron Smith (OT, USC)
11. Blaine Gabbert (QB, Missouri)
12. Da'Quan Bowers (DE, Clemson)
13. Cameron Newton (QB, Auburn)
14. Anthony Costanzo (OT, Boston College)
15. JJ Watt (DE, Wisconsin)
16. Aldon Smith (DE, Missouri)
17. Ryan Kerrigan (DE, Purdue)
18. Jimmy Smith (CB, Colorado)
19. Mike Pouncey (OG, Florida)
20. Ryan Mallett (QB, Arkansas)
21. Cameron Heyward (DE, Ohio State)
22. Muhammad Wilkerson (DE, Temple)
23. Gabe Carimi (OT, Wisconsin)
24. Mark Ingram (RB, Alabama)
25. Nate Solder (OT, Colorado)
26. Phil Taylor (DT, Baylor)
27. Corey Liuget (DT, Illinois)
28. Justin Houston (DE, Georgia)
29. Brandon Harris (CB, Miami)
30. Marvin Austin (DT, North Carolina)
31. Akeem Ayers (LB, UCLA)
32. Stephen Paea (DT, Oregon State)
33. Adrian Clayborn (DE, Iowa)
34. Rahim Moore (S, UCLA)
35. Brooks Reed (DE, Arizona)
36. Derek Sherrod (OT, Mississippi State)
37. Danny Watkins (OG, Baylor)
38. Benjamin Ijalana (OG, Villanova)
39. Jonathan Baldwin (WR, Pittsburgh)
40. Rodney Hudson (OG, Florida State)
41. Aaron Williams (CB, Texas)
42. Stefen Wisniewski (C, Penn State)
43. Kyle Rudolph (TE, Notre Dame)
44. Jake Locker (QB, Washington)
45. Leonard Hankerson (WR, Miami)
46. Mikel Leshoure (RB, Illinois)
47. Jabaal Sheard (DE, Pittsburgh)
48. Torrey Smith (WR, Maryland)
49. Sam Acho (DE, Texas)
50. Ras-I Dowling (CB, Virginia)
51. Martez Wilson (LB, Illinois)
52. Allen Bailey (DE, Miami)
53. Ryan Williams (RB, Virginia Tech)
54. Titus Young (WR, Boise State)
55. Christian Ponder (QB, Florida State)
56. Randall Cobb (WR, Kentucky)
57. DeMarco Murray (RB, Oklahoma)
58. Johnny Patrick (CB, Louisville)
59. Greg Jones (LB, Michigan State)
60. Andy Dalton (QB, TCU)
61. DeAndre McDaniel (S, Clemson)
62. Jarvis Jenkins (DT, Clemson)
63. Colin Kaepernick (QB, Nevada)
64. Quan Sturdivant (LB, North Carolina)
65. Curtis Brown (CB, Texas)
66. Jerrel Jernigan (WR, Troy)
67. Mason Foster (LB, Washington)
68. Dontay Moch (LB, Nevada)
69. Bruce Carter (LB, North Carolina)
70. Lance Kendricks (TE, Wisconsin)
71. Orlando Franklin (OG, Miami)
72. James Carpenter (OT, Alabama)
73. Edmond Gates (WR, Abilene Christian)
74. Rashad Carmichael (CB, Virginia Tech)
75. Jah Reid (OT, UCF)

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