2010-11 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread

[Silk Wilkes]

Raptors have something like 9.32 million left on the tpe

So Andris Biedrins(9 mil for the next 3) + First round pick this year (11th) + a future lotto protected pick for barbosa

both teams will end up with tpe, raptors for 7.6 mil. denver for 9mil, and the clock starts again on the raptors tpe instead of it expiring in july.

I used the baron davis trade as a baraometer, cleveland basically picked up and extra 20 mil in salary for the 7th pick in the draft.

i think the extra pick is over kill (the lottery protected one), CLE got #8 for Davis basically, Biedrins is younger than Davis, i doubt you get 2 picks out of them. They also only save 1.4 million in that deal right away while saving 18 over the next 2 years. Not bad. Biedrins + #11 for Barbosa works, no need for the TE being used. What might make more sense would be.

Biedrins + #11 for TE

Klezia for Bell

this way GSW saves money right away (9 million) to go after a FA C, Raptors dont take on such a huge financial hit. Although i do believe any deal until done after July 1 would put Toronto into tax. So it would have to be like the JO deal where GSW picks for us and the deal consummated on July 1.

Im not inlove with anyone at #11 though so i dont even know if id do that.

Has anyone thought of the Spurs as a destination for Bargnani?

I don't know if they'd use him any differently than Matt Bonner at which point he becomes too expensive.

[Silk Wilkes]

What about this collabo of deals posted in here?

Draft: Select Enes Kanter (assuming we stay 3rd)

#1

To Golden State: TPE

To Toronto: Andris Biedrins + #11

Their fans will disagree but I think GState management will give Biedrins away at this point. He brings in a veteran presence to allow Kanter to come along slowly. Or we can even start Kanter and let Beidrins provide bench production.

#2

To Memphis: #11

To Toronto: OJ Mayo

Although he's doing well it seemed as though Memphis couldn't give OJ Mayo away fast enough at the deadline, which probably will not change with them throwing around money like nothing. They can't pay him and Gasol. They get a lotto pick and we get something better than what we could likely get at 11.

#3

To Philadelphia: Andrea Bargnani + Leandro Barbosa

To Toronto: Andre Iguodala + Mareese Speights

Discussed with Philly fans. They like the idea of a stretch big to plug into their offensively challenged line-up. They also don't care about Speights, they gladly throw him in for the capspace Barbosa provides them next season. As for the Raps, Iggy doesn't exactly stretch the defense, but he provides lockdown wing defense next to DeMar (who will likely extend his range similar to Derrick Rose).

Bayless/Calderon
DeRozan/Mayo
Iguodala/Johnson/Kleiza
Davis/Johnson
Biedrins/Kanter/Alabi

At this point we need to find a home for Calderon and Klezia, preferably for cap space which might be a pipe dream, and although that team is offensively challenged we have another opportunity at a high pick in what could be a stacked 2012 draft. It's all about the buy low/sell high philosophy and collection of assets in this plan. The average age of this team can't be more than 24 but there is still a veteran presence.

[WhatsaTDot]

I like both your deals YB, and I think they offer fair value but it would take GS to find another team willing to do something with a TPE. They've talked bout adding people not reducing salary.

[Hassassin]

The Warriors are trying to give away Biedrins but no one wants him. They offered both him and Lee to the Bucks during the deadline for Redd's massive expiring contract but the Bucks said no.

[WhatsaTDot]

I thought Lacob loved Lee though. And I could see why the Bucks said no. Imagine being crippled into mediocrity up front with Lee/Biedrins/Gooden PLUS the uncertainty of Bogut's full recovery. Yikes!

I wonder then if the Knicks would take that GS package for Billups & filler.

[[SJJ]]

Assuming we draft one of Kanter, Val, BB.

Trade No.1
Tor gets: Thabo Sefolosha
Okl gets: Leandro Barbosa + TOR 2011 2nd round pick

A theme I notice on a lot of very good teams is the fact that not only are the players very talented, but they also complement each other very well. I think this is especially true when it comes to role players, you want your role players to fuse with the starting lineup. Demar is no defensive wiz but with Thabo backing him up it improves this team's overall defensive ability greatly.

Plus we can't underestimate the effect on Demar of getting such a good defensive SG. Demar is very talented on offense but if he was forced to face Thabo everyday in practice he'd be able to score much more efficiently and consistently.

Trade No.2
Tor gets: Dorell Wright + Andris Biedrins
Gsw gets: Andrea Bargnani + Julian Wright + Solomon Alabi

Not only does this move remove Bargs from this roster but it also addresses the SF rotation with JJ/Wright and the C rotation with Biedrens/Kanter (Val, BB). Again stressing the importance of players complementing one another. James is a very good creator with with his elite athleticism, handles, and vision but at the end of the day is still a bad shooter. In DW we have a young SF with length, defensive ability, athleticism, and amazing shooting skills. He also rebounds at a respectable rate. If the ball is stagnant on offense put James on, if we're not making shots put Dorell in, it works.

2011/2012 Rotation

Biedrins / Kanter (or Val or BB)
Davis / Amir
JJ / Wright (interchangeable)
Demar / Thabo
Bayless / Calderon

Biedrins is damaged goods which is perfect. He's still a good mentor for Kanter since he was at one time a very dominant defensive center and rebounder to mentor our C Draftee. At the same time he doesn't have his old explosiveness which renders him pretty much useless. I'd like to see our rookie center take Biedrins starting position by season's end. This allows us to tank again next year and help us get a nice pick in the 2012 draft.

With these trades this team still has glaring holes while addressing a couple pressing concerns. We address defensive toughness and skill level which is a huge step for us; Biedrins is an above average defensive center, JJ, Wright, Thabo. All are defensive minded assets. Dorell can really score. Again, it just works.

My 2 cents.

[edgehead411]

I didn't check if contracts worked or anything but would SAS go for this?

Bargnani + Bayless for Tony Parker and their first round pick this year (assuming they still have it #30). I figure since George Hill is looking like the eventual starter.


If we don't win the lottery and get Irving, and draft Derrick Williams

Parker/Calderon (hopefully gets traded)
DeRozan/Weems(if we bring him back lol)
Williams/Johnson
Ed Davis/Amir Johnson
FA Center/?

[OAKLEY_2]

To Philadelphia: Andrea Bargnani + Leandro Barbosa

Unless we are abandoning the rebuild to go for the 8th seed I can't see the Raps taking on the risk of Igoudala and an almost max deal/bad knee. Likewise while Mayo would be affordable I think he sends up a red flag with off court issues. I can see them perhaps moving something for the Bucks pick to land T-Will to go along with a Brandon Knight selection assuming the obvious top two are off the board. More in line with a rebuild would be Bargs to the Spurs for McDyess and Splitter with the Raps moving McDyess for an asset as soon as trading will allow. Splitter brings better defence and would be another big as a role player. Barbosa is a tough call because he is instant offence. Let's say we move him then someone with 3 point shooting would be worth considering as in the return of Charlie V. Yes he is a defensive black hole but he shoots the lights out, can spread the floor and we wouldn't be starting him with ridiculous minutes like Bargs. Someone mentioned picking up Kurt Thomas for the middle and that works as a stop gap.
In: Splitter, Brandon Knight, T-Will, CV31, Kurt Thomas
Out: all expirings (except Dorsey) Bargs, Barbosa

[itbobby007]

1. Raps/Grizz/Spurs: Three way deal

TOR:
Parker
Splitter
Henry

* Acquire a dynamic PG able to break down the D and a backup SG who can shoot along with front court help.

Spurs:
Bargnani
Mayo
Bayless

* Get younger and move Parker's large contract while getting a better backup's at PG/SG/PF or C. George Hill takes over at the starting PG spot.

Grizzles:
Barbosa

* Upgrade Mayo to Barbosa for scoring punch of the bench. Allen/Young can start.

2. Raps/Cavs Trade

Tor 2011 1st (3rd pick ) for Anderson Varejao (absorbed into Bosh TPE)

* Cleveland now has 2 of the top 3 potential picks. This will accelerate their rebuild.

3. Re-signings

Bring back Evans, Weems, Dorsey.

After the Trades:

TOR:
Parker/Calderon
DeRozan/Henry/Weems
Johnson/Klezia
Davis/Johnson/Evans
Varejao/Splitter/Dorsey

SAS:
Hill/Bayless
Ginobilli/Mayo/Neal
Jefferson/Anderson
Duncan/Blair/Bonner
Bargnani/McDyess

MEM:
Conley/Barbosa
Allen/Young
Gay/Battier
Randolph/Arthur
Gasol/Haddadi

CLE:
Davis/Sessions
Parker/Gibson/Harris
D.Williams/Eyenga
Jamison/Hickson/
Kanter/Erden

[WhatsaTDot]

Grizz give up Henry and Mayo for just Barbosa?

I dont believe Bargs would net us that kind of return plus the finished product looks like at best a borderline playoff contender. I would prefer a more 'thorough' and youthful rebuild.

[itbobby007]

Perhaps we kill trade # 2 and move the pick to Mem is trade # 1. That might equal out the trade or we swap Henry for Young.

[WhatsaTDot]

Yeah that would make it mildly better. Can Henry play the 3? The BPA player in the range were currently projected to pick (1-6), with the exception of Dwill, also happens to be our two biggest areas of need (PG & C) so again I'd be reluctant to not be able to draft the BPA AND fill a need at the same time.

[Rapsobsessed7]

what about this?

To Toronto: Anthony Morrow + Johan Petro + Cash (3 million)
To New Jersey: Leandro Barbosa

Nets clear another 7.5 million to go after a guy like Howard while not losing much talent (Barbosa putting up same numbers in less minutes as Morrow) but the main part is going after Howard that year in 2012. It wouldnt make sense to make the team worse though at the expense of clearing contracts because you still have to convince Williams but here it doesnt make you any worse.

Raptors get younger Morrow is 25 years old, Barbosa is 28. The biggest thing in this trade is we address 3 point shooting. What was something BC brought up in the press conference? 3 point shooting and the need for improvement in that, this drastically helps it and also Morrow is better than Barbosa on D. Hes a bigger SG and Morrow is shooting 42% from 3 this season and the net cost would only be 4 million ish because NJ pays for it.

What this does is address 3 point shooting while keeping all draft options open.

Example
1) If you luck into drafting Irving:
- you trade Calderon for a C

Irving / Bayless
Derozan / Morrow
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir / Petro
Bargnani / C (Calderon) / Alabi

2) You luck into draft D.Williams
- You trade Klezia for a backup C

Bayless / Calderon
Derozan / Morrow
Williams / Johnson
Davis / Amir / Petro
Bargnani / C / Alabi

3) You stay at #3 draft Kanter

Bayless / Calderon
Derozan / Morrow
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir / Petro
Bargnani / Kanter / Alabi

4) you drop down to #4/#5, draft B.Knight
- Same thing as #1, you trade Calderon for a C.

Knight / Bayless
Derozan / Morrow
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir / Petro
Bargnani / C (Calderon) / Alabi

see? It doesnt affect our drafting ability and lets us address a need in 3 point shooting. I think thats a deal that makes a lot of sense for both. They clear both the 4 million owed to Morrow and the 3.5 owed to Petro to really have cap space. Also it doesnt make them worse so doesnt affect D.Williams decision on re-signing or not.

Pretty fair, no?

[SDM]

^ I like this deal and it helps both teams. It's nice to see a proposal that doesn't contain picks and star players.

[WhatsaTDot]

Morrow would be the type of player they'd want around Howard/DWill though so I'm not sure why they are motivated to make this move.

I would say its fair value though.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Morrow would be the type of player they'd want around Howard/DWill though so I'm not sure why they are motivated to make this move.

I would say its fair value though.

they have to get Howard first though then build around him. Having that extra 7.5 million in cap space lets them get a SG like Rush, Mayo, Carter, Pietrus, Lee, Jamison would all be good fits

[WhatsaTDot]

Carter as in Vince Carter? In two years? That would be a lure for you?
Jamison? Same as above.

Morrow is a perfect Howard complement.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Carter as in Vince Carter? In two years? That would be a lure for you?
Jamison? Same as above.

Morrow is a perfect Howard complement.

no playing with D-Will is the lure for me. However Jamison is a pretty good compliment at PF for Howard and IMO would come pretty cheap. They also would have the Houston 2012 1st Round Pick, the LAL 2011 1st this year and guys like Lee, Mayo are young guys i can see each team getting rid of if the price is too high. Memphis wont match a high offer for Mayo with Randolph + Gasols extension coming up. The idea is just that extra 7.5 million goes a long way in filling out the roster.

Morrow is a good fit but is he a starting SG on a contending team? I dont know about that.

[Hassassin]

I thought Lacob loved Lee though. And I could see why the Bucks said no. Imagine being crippled into mediocrity up front with Lee/Biedrins/Gooden PLUS the uncertainty of Bogut's full recovery. Yikes!

I wonder then if the Knicks would take that GS package for Billups & filler.

He probably does but I have a feeling that he loves his money more and tried to use Lee as an incentive to move Biedrins. Same reason why Bucks said no. They can't afford it.

The Knicks are one of the few teams that will probably say yes if they were presented with this type of opportunity. They can afford it and they shore up their frontcourt in a major way.

But then they need a pointguard.

[WhatsaTDot]

Well you can't have superstars at every position and guys like Steve Kerr, Jeff Hornacek, Paxson, etc... were all just pure jump shooters on some very good teams.