If Oklahoma City potentially landed Dwight Howard..

[Idunkonyou2]

I don't really get how some of the Magic fans on RGM feel they hold so much leverage in a deal for Dwight. Dwight is only getting traded if he refuses to re-sign or demands a trade, at which point his value drops drastically. To demand Westbrook, one of the best PG's in general, and one who is young and still improving. Harden, a guy who is a deadly scorer off the bench, is a couple of years removed from being the third overall pick, would be viewed at as much better if given more minutes, and is still young and improving. Perkins, one of the best defensive centers in the league, who is still young at 26. Multiple first round picks. Demanding that Oklahoma City also takes back one of the worst contracts ever handed out in either Turkoglu or Arenas. AND Ibaka, who is proving to be one of the best young big men in the league. I know Dwight is great, but when it is known a player wants out you do not get full value for him. I challenge one of you to find a trade where this much value was given up in a circumstance like this.

This has already been discussed, but the Thunder give up those guys for Howard and cap space to sign Paul or Williams, giving them a big 3 of their own. They use the rest of the cap space to sign role players and then build from there.

Not sure how any one would disapprove this deal, including the Thunder who would end up with arguably the best PG in the game, with out a doubt the best scorer in the game and with out a doubt the best center in the game. Not to mention all of these guys are very young so they are going to be together for a long time.

The Magic do it because they get a young allstar PG, young bigs and 1st rounders. Best deal they could get as well considering the circumstances.

It actually makes too much sense, but then again Howard is going to want to leave first and according 3D, Howard doesn't want to leave.

[initiald]

Not going to happen with that proposal, buddy. Collison is a toxic contract, 13mil for 5 years. Are you freaking kidding me? Adding that is Perkins 7mil for 5 years and Westbrook is about to cash in big after 2012 season. Therefore, you're basically asking Orlando to stay mediocre and build around Westbrook who is not a franchise player. Um.. No, just no. Good try though.

[slick_watts]

Not going to happen with that proposal, buddy. Collison is a toxic contract, 13mil for 5 years. Are you freaking kidding me? Adding that is Perkins 7mil for 5 years and Westbrook is about to cash in big after 2012 season. Therefore, you're basically asking Orlando to stay mediocre and build around Westbrook who is not a franchise player. Um.. No, just no. Good try though.

You should probably do some research before you post things.

[fallacy]

Not going to happen with that proposal, buddy. Collison is a toxic contract, 13mil for 5 years. Are you freaking kidding me? Adding that is Perkins 7mil for 5 years and Westbrook is about to cash in big after 2012 season. Therefore, you're basically asking Orlando to stay mediocre and build around Westbrook who is not a franchise player. Um.. No, just no. Good try though.

You should probably do some research before you post things.

Collison has a toxic contract?

[ORLANDO_MAGIC]

Not going to happen with that proposal, buddy. Collison is a toxic contract, 13mil for 5 years. Are you freaking kidding me? Adding that is Perkins 7mil for 5 years and Westbrook is about to cash in big after 2012 season. Therefore, you're basically asking Orlando to stay mediocre and build around Westbrook who is not a franchise player. Um.. No, just no. Good try though.

You should probably do some research before you post things.

He is a known Howard to the Lakers fan.

[Idunkonyou2]

Like I said, this is the first real good trade idea I have seen for Howard. Gives the Magic a lot of young players to build around. Gives the Thunder Howard and cap space to go out and get Paul or Williams to give them a big 3. Each team wins, although the Magic will never replace a guy like Howard, but at least they get a guy in Perkins who has been known to play Howard tough and a up and coming allstar PG in Westbrook. They couldn't ask for much more besides Howard to stay.

[initiald]

Alright, I look at the wrong season.

Anyway, would Howard wants to play in OKC? I don't think so. That city doesn't fit his personality.

[KB89]

I don't really get how some of the Magic fans on RGM feel they hold so much leverage in a deal for Dwight. Dwight is only getting traded if he refuses to re-sign or demands a trade, at which point his value drops drastically. To demand Westbrook, one of the best PG's in general, and one who is young and still improving. Harden, a guy who is a deadly scorer off the bench, is a couple of years removed from being the third overall pick, would be viewed at as much better if given more minutes, and is still young and improving. Perkins, one of the best defensive centers in the league, who is still young at 26. Multiple first round picks. Demanding that Oklahoma City also takes back one of the worst contracts ever handed out in either Turkoglu or Arenas. AND Ibaka, who is proving to be one of the best young big men in the league. I know Dwight is great, but when it is known a player wants out you do not get full value for him. I challenge one of you to find a trade where this much value was given up in a circumstance like this.

This has already been discussed, but the Thunder give up those guys for Howard and cap space to sign Paul or Williams, giving them a big 3 of their own. They use the rest of the cap space to sign role players and then build from there.

Not sure how any one would disapprove this deal, including the Thunder who would end up with arguably the best PG in the game, with out a doubt the best scorer in the game and with out a doubt the best center in the game. Not to mention all of these guys are very young so they are going to be together for a long time.

The Magic do it because they get a young allstar PG, young bigs and 1st rounders. Best deal they could get as well considering the circumstances.

It actually makes too much sense, but then again Howard is going to want to leave first and according 3D, Howard doesn't want to leave.

Just because Oklahoma City has built a team with a ton of talent doesn't mean that they should have to drastically overpay to create a big three of their own. The amount of talent OKC has that they can afford to give up while sustaining a good team around Dwight, Durant, and a great free agent has nothing to do with what an actual deal would look like. The Magic getting Westbrook alone would be more then any other deal that any other team has gotten in a trade of this nature recently. We're talking about trading a guy who is making it known he wants out (hypothetically speaking of course). Once that happens, your value drops. Look at Deron Williams, Carmelo Anthony, Pau Gasol, Shaquille O'Neal (Lakers and Heat trade I mean), etc. who were all in similar situations yet didn't command near as much value as you're asking. Could the Thunder afford to give up Westbrook, Harden, Perkins, Ibaka, and picks for Dwight while remaining a good team? Sure. Does that mean that they have to? History points towards no.

[Idunkonyou2]

I don't really get how some of the Magic fans on RGM feel they hold so much leverage in a deal for Dwight. Dwight is only getting traded if he refuses to re-sign or demands a trade, at which point his value drops drastically. To demand Westbrook, one of the best PG's in general, and one who is young and still improving. Harden, a guy who is a deadly scorer off the bench, is a couple of years removed from being the third overall pick, would be viewed at as much better if given more minutes, and is still young and improving. Perkins, one of the best defensive centers in the league, who is still young at 26. Multiple first round picks. Demanding that Oklahoma City also takes back one of the worst contracts ever handed out in either Turkoglu or Arenas. AND Ibaka, who is proving to be one of the best young big men in the league. I know Dwight is great, but when it is known a player wants out you do not get full value for him. I challenge one of you to find a trade where this much value was given up in a circumstance like this.

This has already been discussed, but the Thunder give up those guys for Howard and cap space to sign Paul or Williams, giving them a big 3 of their own. They use the rest of the cap space to sign role players and then build from there.

Not sure how any one would disapprove this deal, including the Thunder who would end up with arguably the best PG in the game, with out a doubt the best scorer in the game and with out a doubt the best center in the game. Not to mention all of these guys are very young so they are going to be together for a long time.

The Magic do it because they get a young allstar PG, young bigs and 1st rounders. Best deal they could get as well considering the circumstances.

It actually makes too much sense, but then again Howard is going to want to leave first and according 3D, Howard doesn't want to leave.

Just because Oklahoma City has built a team with a ton of talent doesn't mean that they should have to drastically overpay to create a big three of their own. The amount of talent OKC has that they can afford to give up while sustaining a good team around Dwight, Durant, and a great free agent has nothing to do with what an actual deal would look like. The Magic getting Westbrook alone would be more then any other deal that any other team has gotten in a trade of this nature recently. We're talking about trading a guy who is making it known he wants out (hypothetically speaking of course). Once that happens, your value drops. Look at Deron Williams, Carmelo Anthony, Pau Gasol, Shaquille O'Neal (Lakers and Heat trade I mean), etc. who were all in similar situations yet didn't command near as much value as you're asking. Could the Thunder afford to give up Westbrook, Harden, Perkins, Ibaka, and picks for Dwight while remaining a good team? Sure. Does that mean that they have to? History points towards no.

Like I said before, I doubt Howard even leaves Orlando, but if the Thunder want Howard, they will have to give up a ton for him and IMO if they do go after Howard, they are probably thinking big 3 of there own so they will unload contracts and 1st rounders for Howard/fillers, then go out and pick up Paul or Williams.

This makes more sense than the other garbage trade scenarios I have seen, aka, Mr. Injury and Shannon Brown for Howard, LOL!

Also your trade scenarios don't bold well for your argument. Utah got a lot of young talent, 1st round picks and a top 5 pick for Williams. The Nuggets got a lot of young talent, 1st round picks for Melo. Shaq was aging and nearing the end when he got traded to the Heat so that was a different scenario. Gasol to LA was an inside job, West's last gift to his Lakers.

The only bad scenarios in deals like these for the losing team (besides losing the player themselves) is when they only get a pick/TPE back because the player was going to sign straight up with the other team and the only reason they did a sign and trade was to get more money.

[fallacy]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4yu7psb

That would be the only trade I would do if i were OKC. Assuming the Howard says that he wants out. If Howard says he wants out that would lower his trade value to something like that.

Not saying that the Magic would do it, but that's about all I would do if I was OKC

[We da Pressed]

And CP3 has already lived in OKC during the Katrina days..he absolutely loved it

[wowski]

And CP3 has already lived in CP3 during the Katrina days..he absolutely loved it

As a Magic fan who hopes dwight stays, i do hope CP3 wouldnt leave the New Orleans fans also.

[We da Pressed]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4yu7psb

That would be the only trade I would do if i were OKC. Assuming the Howard says that he wants out. If Howard says he wants out that would lower his trade value to something like that.

Not saying that the Magic would do it, but that's about all I would do if I was OKC

This is your trade except Collison in place of Sefalosha. The only reason I included him was because his salary is what Collison's will be next year.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3g7dbtr

[Idunkonyou2]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4yu7psb

That would be the only trade I would do if i were OKC. Assuming the Howard says that he wants out. If Howard says he wants out that would lower his trade value to something like that.

Not saying that the Magic would do it, but that's about all I would do if I was OKC

The Magic would probably part with Nelson as well if they kept Arenas. Just my opinion so the Thunder would probably need to add another player. They would also probably give up some picks.

[fallacy]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4yu7psb

That would be the only trade I would do if i were OKC. Assuming the Howard says that he wants out. If Howard says he wants out that would lower his trade value to something like that.

Not saying that the Magic would do it, but that's about all I would do if I was OKC

The Magic would probably part with Nelson as well if they kept Arenas. Just my opinion so the Thunder would probably need to add another player. They would also probably give up some picks.

yeah, 2 1st round picks would be included from OKC. You can't put those on the trade machine though

If ORL insisted on getting rid of Nelson, this is all OKC could offer, plus 2 1sts
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4xrm9yb

[Sache]

That's a little too much to give up, even for Howard. Take out Harden and I would probably do it as an OKC fan.

[fallacy]

That's a little too much to give up, even for Howard. Take out Harden and I would probably do it as an OKC fan.

OKC doesn't need to gut it's team to pick up a player it doesn't need.

Westbrook + Harden + Perk + Collison + 2 1sts

That is way too much for a player you really don't need, OKC's team would be gutted and we'd have to take back either Arenas' or Hedo's god-awful contract.

No thanks

[We da Pressed]

Fallacy, losing Harden is fine because of the cap space you're gaining.

[HootieRules]

I said it in the other Dwight thread, but if you're OKC you do whatever it takes to get Howard and Durant together. Those two together would be unstoppable. If it takes Westbrook + Ibaka you do it. It's easy to get attached to your own players if you're an OKC fan but putting two undisputed top 5 players together for the next decade who complement each other perfectly blows away anything the Heat did.

[fallacy]

Fallacy, losing Harden is fine because of the cap space you're gaining.

How would we be gaining cap? The trade would have to be even money wise and the terrible contract of arenas that we would have to take on is for 4 more years. Not to mention that Howard would have to be signed to a new max deal