"Dwight rules" on Derrick Rose?
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I think that the Hawks should use the "Dwight rules" on Rose.
no double coverage, no help defense on the perimiter. Bulls are a horrible 3pt shooting team. let Rose take as man 2pt shots as he wants, and the Hawks can trade 2pts shots for 3pts shots.
Hawks shouldn't give any respect to Rose's 3pt shooting, play off of him, deep from the arch. don't let him be a point guard, make him shoot threes, he is still going to penitrate and the refs are going to make sure that he will get his points from the line, which is fine, but bascially, the Hawks should do the same thing that they did to the Magic, make the Bulls into a one man show, and don't allow them to play team ball.
I dont' think that the Hawks should go to a big line up, because the Noah and Boozer are not that good, nothing like Dwight. Hawks should go with the regular line up of Horford/Smoove/Marvin/Joe/Kirk and Jamal
Ruhiel made a good point on how the Pacers used a bigger player to guard Rose, and i think that is a good experiment to do with Marvin. Hawks on occation could try a defensive line up of:
Horford -> Noah
Smoove -> Boozer
Joe -> Deng
Kirk -> Bogans
Marvin -> Rose
I'm totally okay with Rose averaging 40ppg. just look at what the Pacers did. they are a horrible team that were the 8th seed, but were able to challenge the Bulls in alot of close games, and had big leads on the 1st seed, and the did it with single coverage, Pacers just didn't have the closer like the Hawks do with Joe and Crawford. Pacers were also able to exploit Rose's defense. Collinson and Price, who are just a average PGs, were able to score in bunches on Rose and score effiecently.
i think the Hawks can win this series if Horford is healthy and shows up to the level that we expect him to play, which is posting up 25/10 against Noah. so this series all really rest on the shoulders of Horford.
no double coverage, no help defense on the perimiter. Bulls are a horrible 3pt shooting team. let Rose take as man 2pt shots as he wants, and the Hawks can trade 2pts shots for 3pts shots.
Hawks shouldn't give any respect to Rose's 3pt shooting, play off of him, deep from the arch. don't let him be a point guard, make him shoot threes, he is still going to penitrate and the refs are going to make sure that he will get his points from the line, which is fine, but bascially, the Hawks should do the same thing that they did to the Magic, make the Bulls into a one man show, and don't allow them to play team ball.
I dont' think that the Hawks should go to a big line up, because the Noah and Boozer are not that good, nothing like Dwight. Hawks should go with the regular line up of Horford/Smoove/Marvin/Joe/Kirk and Jamal
Ruhiel made a good point on how the Pacers used a bigger player to guard Rose, and i think that is a good experiment to do with Marvin. Hawks on occation could try a defensive line up of:
Horford -> Noah
Smoove -> Boozer
Joe -> Deng
Kirk -> Bogans
Marvin -> Rose
I'm totally okay with Rose averaging 40ppg. just look at what the Pacers did. they are a horrible team that were the 8th seed, but were able to challenge the Bulls in alot of close games, and had big leads on the 1st seed, and the did it with single coverage, Pacers just didn't have the closer like the Hawks do with Joe and Crawford. Pacers were also able to exploit Rose's defense. Collinson and Price, who are just a average PGs, were able to score in bunches on Rose and score effiecently.
i think the Hawks can win this series if Horford is healthy and shows up to the level that we expect him to play, which is posting up 25/10 against Noah. so this series all really rest on the shoulders of Horford.
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You can't play Rose like you played Howard. I really really really hope you try, though. The difference is that Howard will miss free throws and won't make the right passes. That's what Derrick Rose pretty much does best. Not helping on him is a ridiculous prospect. If solving the Magic's offense is stopping everyone but Howard, solving the Bulls offense is letting everybody get open shots except Rose. Look at what Indiana did-- I'd recommend that strategy+Better rebounding+better offense.
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Harry10 wrote:I think that the Hawks should use the "Dwight rules" on Rose.
no double coverage, no help defense on the perimiter. Bulls are a horrible 3pt shooting team. let Rose take as man 2pt shots as he wants, and the Hawks can trade 2pts shots for 3pts shots.
Hawks shouldn't give any respect to Rose's 3pt shooting, play off of him, deep from the arch. don't let him be a point guard, make him shoot threes, he is still going to penitrate and the refs are going to make sure that he will get his points from the line, which is fine, but bascially, the Hawks should do the same thing that they did to the Magic, make the Bulls into a one man show, and don't allow them to play team ball.
"Hawks can trade 2pts shots for 3pts shots" won't happen. bulls are the top defense in the league and best at guarding 3s.
Harry10 wrote:Collinson and Price, who is just a average PGs, were able to score in bunches on Rose.
Collison averaged 9 points
Price averaged 8 points
Rose averaged 28 points
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Using a "big guard" would only work if you were going to double on every pick and roll. If the Hawks just left someone like Marvin or Joe on an island with Rose(or IND. with George)...Rose would score on him 80% of the time even if he was sagging 10 feet off.
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kirk getting hurt tonight, kind of boned the hawks going into that series with Rose. he did a damn good job on nelson
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And I know Rose hasn't been shooting lights out in the playoffs, but he'll punish teams if they sag on him. He won't shoot badly for too much longer, law of averages.
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agreed. just wonder the extent of the injury and how many games he will have to miss...Probably at least the 2 1st ones in CHI...
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HoopsGuru25 wrote:Using a "big guard" would only work if you were going to double on every pick and roll. If the Hawks just left someone like Marvin or Joe on an island with Rose(or IND. with George)...Rose would score on him 80% of the time even if he was sagging 10 feet off.
Rose has been shooting 37% and been getting single coverage from Paul George playing off of Rose "10 feet off". I have watched all of the Pacers/Bulls games.... have you even watched any of the games?
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Single coverage? The Pacers were actually trapping Rose as soon as he crossed half court sometimes which led to open 3s for Korver and Bogans. Your idea of defending him as if he's Rajon Rondo isn't anything close to what Indy or any other team did during this season.
Also....yes I have watched the games. I've actually probably have heard too much analysis on the Bulls for my own good because I live in Chicago.
Also....yes I have watched the games. I've actually probably have heard too much analysis on the Bulls for my own good because I live in Chicago.
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Rose has looked good, but has looked just like Iverson....... like Iverson, Rose's points have gone up in the playoffs, but shooting% has gone way down..... and that is how Indy has been able to build up so many leads on Chicago, Indy just didn't have any closers like Joe and Jamal to end the game.
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HoopsGuru25 wrote:Single coverage? The Pacers were actually trapping Rose as soon as he crossed half court sometimes which led to open 3s for Korver and Bogans. Your idea of defending him as if he's Rajon Rondo isn't anything close to what Indy or any other team did during this season.
Also....yes I have watched the games. I've actually probably have heard too much analysis on the Bulls for my own good because I live in Chicago.
hahaha exactly, so that is what i'm saying, don't double, so that Korver doesn't get any open 3s. you just admitted it yourself.

they ran a few traps, but with Paul George, who is a ROOKIE, it was single coverage

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If Hawks use the "Dwight" defense on Rose, the league might have to call the series after 3 games just so Larry Drew has enough time to flee the country before Atlantans can get their hands on him.
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Harry if you really believe the Indy bigs didn't help out on on the perimeter when the Bulls ran a pick and roll(70 percent of the time)then I really just don't know what to say.
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Marvin Williams has ZERO chance of staying in front of D Rose. And this sagging off of him strategy is something teams have tried before, to their own detriment. They think that sagging off will make Rose shoot jumpers and restrict his penetration. But, in reality, all it does is gives him space and a running start to get by a bigger, slower, defender.
The only thing that has proven to be successful vs. the Bulls/D Rose is to take the ball out of his hands and make someone else beat you. Rose is such an integral part of everything the Bulls do offensively, that they absolutely don't know how to get consistent scoring w/out him initiating the offense. Trap Rose as soon as he crosses half court and pray that he doesn't split the double. If you do it effectively, the Bulls will struggle, as they don't have any other guys on their roster who are going to break you down off the dribble or get their own shot consistently.
So, in essence, Atlanta truly needs to do the opposite of what they did vs. Howard to slow Rose. Ball denial and traps to seperate him from the ball as much as possible is key. I hope Atlanta doesn't employ this strategy, as I think they will struggle against the Bulls if they don't (and I'm obviously a Bulls fan). Good luck. Should be fun!
The only thing that has proven to be successful vs. the Bulls/D Rose is to take the ball out of his hands and make someone else beat you. Rose is such an integral part of everything the Bulls do offensively, that they absolutely don't know how to get consistent scoring w/out him initiating the offense. Trap Rose as soon as he crosses half court and pray that he doesn't split the double. If you do it effectively, the Bulls will struggle, as they don't have any other guys on their roster who are going to break you down off the dribble or get their own shot consistently.
So, in essence, Atlanta truly needs to do the opposite of what they did vs. Howard to slow Rose. Ball denial and traps to seperate him from the ball as much as possible is key. I hope Atlanta doesn't employ this strategy, as I think they will struggle against the Bulls if they don't (and I'm obviously a Bulls fan). Good luck. Should be fun!
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I mean, there's no point talking because it'll soon be seen. But I've seen a lot of Rose, and not being extremely aggressive on defense with Roes is a great way of making Derrick Rose extremely aggressive.
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BrooklynBulls wrote:I mean, there's no point talking because it'll soon be seen. But I've seen a lot of Rose, and not being extremely aggressive on defense with Roes is a great way of making Derrick Rose extremely aggressive.
This. Only need to wait until Monday at 7pm (chicago time) and we'll see.
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BrooklynBulls wrote:And I know Rose hasn't been shooting lights out in the playoffs, but he'll punish teams if they sag on him. He won't shoot badly for too much longer, law of averages.
Please please please, I think I'm burned out from reading law of averages or anything average based from the Magic crew. Don't worry, Rose has been plenty successful shooting below his norms, it's the playoffs, nothing comes easy so you live with what you get. The Magic fans were just spoiled thinking that their team would shoot 40% from three that they argued nearly every loss away as if it was some massive unsustainable fluke that could not possibly continue to happen....
Kobe won finals MVP on like 40% shooting, I think you guys will be just fine with your superstar's performance against us.
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Dwight Howard vs Hawks
26.6 PER
27.0 PPG
15.5 RPG
1.8 BPG
.630 FG%
.682 FT%
.677 TS%
There is no way Derrick Rose can be more efficient from the floor than that. I say Dwight Rules all the way. THe only problem is does LD have the guts to do this?
Turn the Bulls into a one man team like we did the Magic. If we lose this series make it be because of contributions in one on one matchups of Noah, Deng, Boozer, and Korver, NOT because these guys get open looks because of DRose.
Play him absolutely STRAIGHT UP. Again can he really be more efficient than almost 70% true shooting percentage with 27 points and 15 rebounds?
SCore first PG is not the way you win championships and it's the way we can win this series.
The excuses Bulls fans for why this won't work are hilarious saying things like he has far more vision than Dwight Howard. Who cares if we aren't leaving other guys open?
He will only have the vision to find guys who we will FORCE to create their own shots.
26.6 PER
27.0 PPG
15.5 RPG
1.8 BPG
.630 FG%
.682 FT%
.677 TS%
There is no way Derrick Rose can be more efficient from the floor than that. I say Dwight Rules all the way. THe only problem is does LD have the guts to do this?
Turn the Bulls into a one man team like we did the Magic. If we lose this series make it be because of contributions in one on one matchups of Noah, Deng, Boozer, and Korver, NOT because these guys get open looks because of DRose.
Play him absolutely STRAIGHT UP. Again can he really be more efficient than almost 70% true shooting percentage with 27 points and 15 rebounds?
SCore first PG is not the way you win championships and it's the way we can win this series.
The excuses Bulls fans for why this won't work are hilarious saying things like he has far more vision than Dwight Howard. Who cares if we aren't leaving other guys open?
He will only have the vision to find guys who we will FORCE to create their own shots.
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_BBIB_ wrote:Dwight Howard vs Hawks
26.6 PER
27.0 PPG
15.5 RPG
1.8 BPG
.630 FG%
.682 FT%
.677 TS%
There is no way Derrick Rose can be more efficient from the floor than that. I say Dwight Rules all the way. THe only problem is does LD have the guts to do this?
Turn the Bulls into a one man team like we did the Magic. If we lose this series make it be because of contributions in one on one matchups of Noah, Deng, Boozer, and Korver, NOT because these guys get open looks because of DRose.
Play him absolutely STRAIGHT UP. Again can he really be more efficient than almost 70% true shooting percentage with 27 points and 15 rebounds?
SCore first PG is not the way you win championships and it's the way we can win this series.
The excuses Bulls fans for why this won't work are hilarious saying things like he has far more vision than Dwight Howard. Who cares if we aren't leaving other guys open?
He will only have the vision to find guys who we will FORCE to create their own shots.
Dwight was a big who had the ball at most 40% of the time, rose is a point who has it for easily 80%. If you sag off rose he will drive anyway and force a player to step up. The magic offense is based on post passing, rose can move anywhere on the court. Initiating p&r, blowing by his man right into another, and off the ball screens are only a few ways we can get other players open. That and anyone you put on rose is an obvious mismatch spells trouble for the hawks. And thats not even discussing the bulls strength, defense!