Round 1, Pick 29: Wisconsin OT Gabe Carimi

Howling Mad · Post #2 » by **Howling Mad** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:22 am

Not the correct pick. It should've been Sherrod. Not a LT at all.

SportsWorld · Post #3 » by **SportsWorld** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:28 am

I disagree but you're usually right so it's making me uneasy.

ChronicKerr · Post #4 » by **ChronicKerr** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:38 am

I think it's a solid pick. He probably won't play LT for us but I think that's okay. He can play RT and G for us and we still have a few options at LT.

SportsWorld · Post #5 » by **SportsWorld** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:25 am

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Lovie Smith on Gabe Carimi: "He's coming in as a tackle."

Shootdabull · Post #6 » by **Shootdabull** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:25 am

The O-Line needs help and he has good size. I really don't trust our first round o-line picks so that makes me nervous, but I thought ok when they his name. Angelo is due to get one right.

RiotPunch · Post #7 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:26 am

You guys got a helluva RT.

WEFFPIM · Post #8 » by **WEFFPIM** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:55 am

Love the pick. Guy i wanted all along.

SportsWorld · Post #9 » by **SportsWorld** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:04 am

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Howling Mad · Post #10 » by **Howling Mad** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:06 pm

The Packers spent no time with Sherrod, which is a little weird. They needed a replacement for Chad Clifton in the future, especially for ARod's sake so this is a great pick for them. The right side of their line is a lot younger and TJ Lang looks like a Guard and not a Tackle. Sherrod is a great pass blocking LT they need.

Carimi graded higher than Sherrod, but in my book a LT is worth more than a right side guy-G or T. The Packers realize the importance of blind side protection. They have Clifton for another year or so and they just stock piled Sherrod, ready to fill the shoes when Clifton is out.

I think in the long run this bites us. Not only did we pick a right side guy when we needed a left side guy, but our #1 enemy got a great fitting replacement for Chad Clifton.

Sherrod has the explosion and the know-how to be able to handle fast and explosive pass rushers. In today's NFL thats what you need at LT. Carimi is more of a run blocker. He has good technique, has great hands, plants well, but I'm not sure he can fill the LT role.

I think the Bears wanted to trade up with the Ravens because they were afraid they'd be left with no choice. To their surprise they ended up with a choice of Carimi and Sherrod, so whatever drama happened behind closed doors-I think was intentional, but thats just a wild guess. I think the Bears realized that not only did they have a choice but a guy who was projected to be picked higher(Carimi) fell into their laps, so they took him.

In 2010 the Bears got undercutted by the Packers with Mrogan Burnett. Lovie had a man crush on him and the Packers swooped in a few picks ahead of them and the Bears ended up with Major Wright. I know Morgan Burnett was injured last year but he'll be a better NFL player then Major Wright. I think this time the Packers got the best of us, again.

Friend_Of_Haley · Post #11 » by **Friend_Of_Haley** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:47 pm

I know you say Sherrod is the better LT, but who do you think is just flat out better?

In my mind, the Bears don't have anyone on the line worthy of holding a spot in the future for, so we needed the best OL period, not the best at a particular spot on the line. If that means a RT instead of LT, I'm happy with that.

ChronicKerr · Post #12 » by **ChronicKerr** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:54 pm

Sherrod is another "finesse" type player much like Chris Williams is. We wanted a guy to come in with a mean streak that is versatile as far as lining up in other positions. Carimi projects more to the right side, I agree, but he played LT for Wisconsin and did a great job at it. I'm glad we took him over Sherrod to be honest.

The Explorer · Post #13 » by **The Explorer** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:58 pm

Angelo's blunder could prove very costly in the future. First with james starks last year, now with Ozzie Newsome this year. What GM would want to deal with a guy like Angelo?

Howling Mad · Post #14 » by **Howling Mad** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:09 pm

Chris Williams shouldn't be brought into the Derek Sherrod Conversation. Williams was hurt and had health concerns going into the draft. The Bears were pretty much stuck with him with their pick. After him, it was a large drop off in talent.

Chris Williams had great footwork, good mobility and did play on the left side but he was a question mark on the left side in the NFL. Sherrod is projected as a left side guy, which makes him instantly more valuable in my book, he also has great blocking technique, long arms, and has that explosion.

Back on topic with Carimi...

The main difference between these two is the effort and hustle. Carimi is a Bears guy-think Dusty Dvoracek. Not in a skill comparison, but his motor and his grittyness. Where as Sherrod is more of a cerebral guy, more of a football player and less of an effort/motor guy.

The difference in who's better is marginal. Winner-Carimi, but with Sherrod being able to play LT, for me, he edges Carimi, just a little bit.

I find it so ironic that the Packers didn't spend more time with Sherrod. They needed an heir for Clifton?!?!? Did we get out smoked? I don't know...maybe I'm just completely wrong and the Packers had no interest whatsoever in Sherrod, but I doubt it.

Post #15 » by **Icness** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:32 pm

Carimi was the best run-blocking tackle in this draft and he can handle the right side capably. He has real drive power in his legs and a strong punch. I do not think he can play LT, not without being covered up by a TE to help with speed outside. My biggest knock on him is that he falls down a hell of a lot, and it's usually because he overextends with his arms and his feet don't catch up in time. That is coachable and y'all have a good OL coach in Mike Tice.

It's funny but I like Carimi for Chicago and Sherrod for GB more than I would if they swapped. Sherrod is more of a reactor, Carimi is a dictator, and that fits what both teams like to do with their tackles. The ideal Mike Martz tackle was Orlando Pace, who was as aggressive in attacking defenders in pass protection as anyone ever, and Sherrod is most certainly not of that ilk or style. Carimi isn't nearly that good (very few are, or will ever be), but that's how he plays.

WAYSA · Post #16 » by **WAYSA** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:34 pm

Howling Mad wrote:Chris Williams shouldn't be brought into the Derek Sherrod Conversation. Williams was hurt and had health concerns going into the draft. The Bears were pretty much stuck with him with their pick. After him, it was a large drop off in talent.

Chris Williams had great footwork, good mobility and did play on the left side but he was a question mark on the left side in the NFL. Sherrod is projected as a left side guy, which makes him instantly more valuable in my book, he also has great blocking technique, long arms, and has that explosion.

Back on topic with Carimi...

The main difference between these two is the effort and hustle. Carimi is a Bears guy-think Dusty Dvoracek. Not in a skill comparison, but his motor and his grittyness. Where as Sherrod is more of a cerebral guy, more of a football player and less of an effort/motor guy.

The difference in who's better is marginal. Winner-Carimi, but with Sherrod being able to play LT, for me, he edges Carimi, just a little bit.

I find it so ironic that the Packers didn't spend more time with Sherrod. They needed an heir for Clifton?!?!? Did we get out smoked? I don't know...maybe I'm just completely wrong and the Packers had no interest whatsoever in Sherrod, but I doubt it.

WTF?

Brandon Albert was on the board as was Jeff Otah.

Howling Mad · Post #17 » by **Howling Mad** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:54 pm

The focus on that draft was a LT. Albert was thought of as a guard and Jeff Otah was injured, he also ran a terrible 40 and scouts saw red flags. Of course, things don't pan out the way they're first expected.

Howling Mad · Post #18 » by **Howling Mad** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:05 pm

Icness wrote:Carimi was the best run-blocking tackle in this draft and he can handle the right side capably. He has real drive power in his legs and a strong punch. I do not think he can play LT, not without being covered up by a TE to help with speed outside. My biggest knock on him is that he falls down a hell of a lot, and it's usually because he overextends with his arms and his feet don't catch up in time. That is coachable and y'all have a good OL coach in Mike Tice.

It's funny but I like Carimi for Chicago and Sherrod for GB more than I would if they swapped. Sherrod is more of a reactor, Carimi is a dictator, and that fits what both teams like to do with their tackles. The ideal Mike Martz tackle was Orlando Pace, who was as aggressive in attacking defenders in pass protection as anyone ever, and Sherrod is most certainly not of that ilk or style. Carimi isn't nearly that good (very few are, or will ever be), but that's how he plays.

I almost missed this post. Anything from Icness can't go unnoticed and this was burried in the last post on the previous page.

It's good to know we have differing opinions. It makes me feel a little better about the pick. I really liked Sherrod and felt like a LT for the future could really solidify our line. Carimi seemed like the pick for the packers having known they spent no time with Sherrod, but Sherrod seemed to fit their needs. It was definitely confusing, but I think Green Bay was party smoke screen, part-unsure whether or not they would have a choice with their pick.