Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[TDotRep]

5 blocks, 3 of which could have been avoided and would have in the nba.

[TDotRep]

draft express also had epke udoh ahead of ed davis greg monroe paul george and alabi going 21st

No one's perfect, but if I had to choose who to trust between Draft Express and anyone on this board, I'd choose them. And I think the reason why Udoh was ranked higher is because he was more likely to go higher which he did, not necessarily because they thought he was better than the guys you mentioned. I could be wrong.

If I had to choose between say 500 people on the main draft board than a few people at dx im choosing 500 people. But I would like to know what are the credentials of DX? former players formers nba staff?

[Alfred]

5 blocks, 3 of which could have been avoided and would have in the nba.

Right, the video should be showing him blocking NBA players' shots, or blocking them more challengingly.

Listen, I'm not going to quibble over a highlight video anymore. If you're not impressed with him as a prospect, that's fine.

[5DOM]

He's supposed to be among the Euroleague leaders in per-40 minute rebounding and blocks. IIRC, Hollinger said that those two actually translate to the NBA while efficiency drops

[TDotRep]

So than a 16 year old kanter who grabbed 12 boards in 21 minutes in the euro league is going to be the next coming of wilt chamberlain when he is 24.

[5DOM]

draft express also had epke udoh ahead of ed davis greg monroe paul george and alabi going 21st

No one's perfect, but if I had to choose who to trust between Draft Express and anyone on this board, I'd choose them. And I think the reason why Udoh was ranked higher is because he was more likely to go higher which he did, not necessarily because they thought he was better than the guys you mentioned. I could be wrong.

If I had to choose between say 500 people on the main draft board than a few people at dx im choosing 500 people. But I would like to know what are the credentials of DX? former players formers nba staff?

They actually watched most of the kids play and talk to the NBA GM's and scouts, so that's more credential already than 500 of us combined.

See http://www.draftexpress.com/aboutus.php for more.

[Alfred]

draft express also had epke udoh ahead of ed davis greg monroe paul george and alabi going 21st

No one's perfect, but if I had to choose who to trust between Draft Express and anyone on this board, I'd choose them. And I think the reason why Udoh was ranked higher is because he was more likely to go higher which he did, not necessarily because they thought he was better than the guys you mentioned. I could be wrong.

If I had to choose between say 500 people on the main draft board than a few people at dx im choosing 500 people.

The number of people who have opinions don't matter in this sort of thing. It's like saying, "Who are you going to listen to when it comes to your health, 500 people, or a single doctor?" Who cares how many people there are saying something, when the other person is a professional?

In any case, 500 people aren't all saying exactly the same thing, and DraftExpress has consistently been very, very good at predicting where prospects are going to go in the draft, and how good they will be at the pro level. Givony actually scouts the players, and talks to NBA scouts about the players.

[Alfred]

No one's perfect, but if I had to choose who to trust between Draft Express and anyone on this board, I'd choose them. And I think the reason why Udoh was ranked higher is because he was more likely to go higher which he did, not necessarily because they thought he was better than the guys you mentioned. I could be wrong.

If I had to choose between say 500 people on the main draft board than a few people at dx im choosing 500 people. But I would like to know what are the credentials of DX? former players formers nba staff?

They actually watched most of the kids play and talk to the NBA GM's and scouts, so that's more credential already than 500 of us combined.

See http://www.draftexpress.com/aboutus.php for more.

Oh wow, I didn't realize that Doug Thonus, Bulls mod and RealGM administrator ran their website. Cool stuff.

[5DOM]

So than a 16 year old kanter who grabbed 12 boards in 21 minutes in the euro league is going to be the next coming of wilt chamberlain when he is 24.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... code=E2008

It actually says 6 rebounds in total of what was most likely 31:11 garbage minutes.

[TDotRep]

Clearly that analogy is terrible because if you are comparing the accuracy of a doctor to the accuracy of the scouts at dx than year heart must be located on your foot after a surgery, they are people who grew up watching ball and making a website. They mess up we mess up. Doctors goto school for more than 8 years these guys? If they are so good at what they do im sure they would be apart of an organization.

[Reignman]

So than a 16 year old kanter who grabbed 12 boards in 21 minutes in the euro league is going to be the next coming of wilt chamberlain when he is 24.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... code=E2008

It actually says 6 rebounds in total of what was most likely 31:11 garbage minutes.

From DX:

Enes Kanter is entering Ricky Rubio territory, seeing a handful of minutes in the Euroleague competition despite being six months away from turning 17 years old. The 1992-born Turkish center saw 10 minutes of playing time today against Alba Berlin, not disappointing his head coach Bogdan Tanjevic by delivering a solid 5 points and 3 rebounds in the process. Kanter saw even more playing time last weekend in the local TBL, getting 21 minutes in which he delivered 8 points and an awesome 12 rebounds against Kepez. We suspect this is NOT the last you’ll be hearing about him.

[TDotRep]

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[5DOM]

Obviously the analogy is extreme, but they actually

live all across the world, and work or have worked in the past for NBA, NCAA and Euroleague teams on a full time, part time or consulting oriented bases

Anyway, their opinion weighs more than 500 of us.

[TDotRep]

k well Jim kelly's opinion does as well. From now on what ever jim kelly says I will live by that, which is what 5DOM has been doing for quite some time with DX.

[daner01]

Here's a Valanciunas highlight video from this season in Rytas:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLa5yFCF6Go[/youtube]

Looks really good to be honest. Obviously needs to get stronger and bulkier.

Was nice to see Rubio, Jasikevicius and Gherardini too lol

Part 2:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYAiv2EOsx8&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

OT, but thats the coolest mascot ever at the 20 second mark of the second video!

[5DOM]

So than a 16 year old kanter who grabbed 12 boards in 21 minutes in the euro league is going to be the next coming of wilt chamberlain when he is 24.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... code=E2008

It actually says 6 rebounds in total of what was most likely 31:11 garbage minutes.

From DX:

Enes Kanter is entering Ricky Rubio territory, seeing a handful of minutes in the Euroleague competition despite being six months away from turning 17 years old. The 1992-born Turkish center saw 10 minutes of playing time today against Alba Berlin, not disappointing his head coach Bogdan Tanjevic by delivering a solid 5 points and 3 rebounds in the process. Kanter saw even more playing time last weekend in the local TBL, getting 21 minutes in which he delivered 8 points and an awesome 12 rebounds against Kepez. We suspect this is NOT the last you’ll be hearing about him.

And what was I wrong about?
It says specifically local TBL which is not Euroleague. He got 6 rebounds in 31:11 minutes in Euroleague the whole season.

[5DOM]

k well Jim kelly's opinion does as well. From now on what ever jim kelly says I will live by that, which is what 5DOM has been doing for quite some time with DX.

Sure.

[Alfred]

Clearly that analogy is terrible because if you are comparing the accuracy of a doctor to the accuracy of the scouts at dx than year heart must be located on your foot after a surgery, they are people who grew up watching ball and making a website. They mess up we mess up. Doctors goto school for more than 8 years these guys? If they are so good at what they do im sure they would be apart of an organization.

They are a professional scouting website that taps the shoulders of real NBA scouts. You don't think that scouting is a real profession? Then why do NBA teams employ them, and pay them handsomely?

In any case your argument "They mess up, we mess up" is a pretty flawed way of thinking. Scouting isn't an exact science, but there is certainly skill and dedication required in coming to conclusions about prospects. Wall Street traders mess up too, but if they messed up more than they actually made the correct decision, they'd be broke. The same thing applies here. If DraftExpress was constantly wrong about prospects and their rankings, then nobody would take them seriously -- but they aren't and people do.

[Reignman]

[http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=000936&seasoncode=E2008

It actually says 6 rebounds in total of what was most likely 31:11 garbage minutes.

From DX:

Enes Kanter is entering Ricky Rubio territory, seeing a handful of minutes in the Euroleague competition despite being six months away from turning 17 years old. The 1992-born Turkish center saw 10 minutes of playing time today against Alba Berlin, not disappointing his head coach Bogdan Tanjevic by delivering a solid 5 points and 3 rebounds in the process. Kanter saw even more playing time last weekend in the local TBL, getting 21 minutes in which he delivered 8 points and an awesome 12 rebounds against Kepez. We suspect this is NOT the last you’ll be hearing about him.

And what was I wrong about?
It says specifically local TBL which is not Euroleague. He got 6 rebounds in 31:11 minutes in Euroleague the whole season.

You're right, just like the ACB isn't the Euroleague.

[Silk Wilkes]

And what was I wrong about?
It says specifically local TBL which is not Euroleague. He got 6 rebounds in 31:11 minutes in Euroleague the whole season.

I might be wrong but are you implying Enes is a bad rebounder?