The Blue Jays have targeted next year, or the year after, to make their big push. I am not asking whether or not you think the team is on target for that pace or not.
What I ask, is what you, as a fan would prefer? Keep in mind, what follows is all hypothetical, and theory driven. Let's say the Jays farm system truly is deeply replenished. Hechavarria, Thames, Drabek, Snider, etc. live up to the hype, with other enticing prospects in the wait; yet the team finished with 90 wins, just out of the AL wild card. AA is now faced with two options:
In one scenario, AA "sells the farm", and deals for some big-time bats, or a big game closer, etc. whatever the team needs to put it over the top and make it a true championship contender, albeit with a short window. Let's go a step further, and say the Jays get to the World Series that year. However, now the farm system is bombed out, and you have an aging and unsustainable roster heading into the future.
In the other scenario, AA keeps building up the farm. He trades some quality MLB talent for more depth in the system and prospects. The team perennially a fringe playoff team, some years in, some years just out (but in it till the end). They virtually become another Minnesota, where they get beat up on by Yankees in the first round of the playoffs every other season, but play meaningful baseball until the end, and win most seasons series. They have one or two MVP candidates, a winning team, a few dominant pitchers. Deep team, yet lacking the overall elite talent that the championship contenders boast.
Which fate do you choose for this franchise? The Florida Marlins, or the Atlanta Braves?
What fate would you prefer?
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from what i hear about Rogers, they seem to be committed financially once this team reaches that level of 90-95 wins a season.
if thats true then i want them to be more like the Jays were from 83-94 than a team with a short window.
if thats true then i want them to be more like the Jays were from 83-94 than a team with a short window.
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"and you have an aging and unsustainable roster heading into the future."
Our core is really too young for that to happen...
Our core is really too young for that to happen...
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Raider917 wrote:from what i hear about Rogers, they seem to be committed financially once this team reaches that level of 90-95 wins a season.
That seems... ridiculous.
They'd need to be committed financially in order for us to reach 90-95 wins, what will committing after this incredibly-unlikely surge do for us? That's an empty promise.
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tsherkin wrote:Raider917 wrote:from what i hear about Rogers, they seem to be committed financially once this team reaches that level of 90-95 wins a season.
That seems... ridiculous.
They'd need to be committed financially in order for us to reach 90-95 wins, what will committing after this incredibly-unlikely surge do for us? That's an empty promise.
It makes perfect sense...
When our talented youth has developed into a legit playoff contender...Rogers will spend the extra cash to bring in a few mercenaries...
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Evermore wrote:It makes perfect sense...
When our talented youth has developed into a legit playoff contender...Rogers will spend the extra cash to bring in a few mercenaries...
No, it makes no sense, because without financial commitment prior to attaining that level, we aren't likely to reach that level, ergo they are unlikely to commit financially. It is an empty promise unless we somehow luck into some Kwame-for-Gasol type trade or one of our prospects blows up far bigger than we expect and we run into another random-WTF player like Jose Bautista.
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tsherkin wrote:Evermore wrote:It makes perfect sense...
When our talented youth has developed into a legit playoff contender...Rogers will spend the extra cash to bring in a few mercenaries...
No, it makes no sense, because without financial commitment prior to attaining that level, we aren't likely to reach that level, ergo they are unlikely to commit financially. It is an empty promise unless we somehow luck into some Kwame-for-Gasol type trade or one of our prospects blows up far bigger than we expect and we run into another random-WTF player like Jose Bautista.
It depends entirely on whether or not you believe our youth have the talent to make that step...
There's no point in signing mercenaries...if the players we've developed aren't good enough to be part of a contender
So it works like this...
IF in a year or two...our young core has come together as expected and is beginning to look like a legit playoff contender...then Rogers will open their purse to pursue some big time players
Basically...once the Jays have developed 3 - 4 all-stars...they'll be spenders
Until then...they're rebuilding
It's the right way to go about a rebuilding plan...
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I'd prefer the Rogers spends some of their vast hoard of cash to built a consistent winning baseball team every year. That would be the easiest route. Outside of 2006-2008, they've been spewing the "next year" crap for the entire time they've owned the team.
One flew east, one flew west, one flew over the cuckoo’s nest.
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Evermore wrote:It depends entirely on whether or not you believe our youth have the talent to make that step...
I don't.
Basically...once the Jays have developed 3 - 4 all-stars...they'll be spenders
Until then...they're rebuilding
It's the right way to go about a rebuilding plan...
No it isn't. At some point, you need to jumpstart it, or you will be wasting Bautista's prime and we won't be "there" until after he's tailed off, and then everything falls apart just as it always does. We're perpetually "rebuilding." Rogers ALWAYS says they're "willing to spend when we take the next step," they say it literally EVERY YEAR. I don't give a crap. This year wasn't the year to spend, that's sensible, but if they wait for us to win 90+ games before they spend, they'll never spend... which is basically what they want because we stay half-interested as long as the Jays show flashes. We will not win 90+ games with the rosters we're trotting out there. Even if Snider manages to become an .850 OPS guy, our lineup still sucks monkey balls and doesn't give our pitching the support it needs on a consistent basis because we're still not good at getting on base. Now, if Lind stays productive and something happens with Hill (he stops sucking, for example, or we replace him), then we've got the juice to maybe go for 88-92 wins, but that's a lot to bank on.
This roster isn't primed to break out with stars all over.