Offseason Thread (Iguodala & Young)

[Esohny]

Devilzsidewalk "I don't like him w/ Beasley because it would probably take away Iguodala's ability to defend the best wing scorer because it'll leave Beasley trying to keep up w/ SGs if Iggy is on the SF."

1) Iggy can cover anyone from point guards, Kobe Bryant, and 6'10 Durant lmao u act like he's Carmelo.

What are you talking about? He's talking about creating a poor matchup for Beasley.

[Foshan]

I was a huge fan of Iguodala for Wes/Pek at the draft, and leading up to the deadline, but really the more I've seen of Wes, the less impressed I've been. I don't think that deal peeks Philly's interest this off-season.

[Devilzsidewalk]

If there's better offers out there for a guy on an escalating contract w/ some bizarre chronic knee condition who played exactly one good game out of the 5 games in the playoffs, then more power to the Sixers

[Esohny]

If there's better offers out there for a guy on an escalating contract w/ some bizarre chronic knee condition who played exactly one good game out of the 5 games in the playoffs, then more power to the Sixers

Hey now. I'm sure that there's some link that details how their front office will make a poor decision for no reason.

Oh wait, this is Philly, not GSW.

[Ruhiel]

bizarre chronic knee condition= runner's knee

[thinktank]

Perkins
Love
Beasley
Iggy
Rubio

Now this is a team.

First off Perkins is a top center and is signed to the OKC Thunder.
2ndly I mentioned about Beasley being a volume scorer who puts up points on bad shooting numbers earlier today and right on cue:

Wolves' Beasley among NBA's top 'gunners'
Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal - by John Vomhof Jr.
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:24am CD
http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/b ... nners.html

"Beasley chucked 1,082 two-point shots and 164 three-point shots this season. That means he attempted shots worth a total of 2,656 points in his 2,361 minutes of game action — a rate of 1.125 points attempted per minute, ranking sixth among all NBA players. (The analysis did not include free throw attempts since the referee, not the player himself, decides when those shots will be taken.)

Los Angeles Lakers superstar Kobe Bryant lead the league with 1.308 points attempted per minute among players who logged at least 1,000 minutes. Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, Kevin Martin and Kevin Durant rounded out the top five."

Read more: Wolves' Beasley among NBA's top 'gunners' | Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal

Bad shooting numbers? Beasley may be a chucker, but at least they're going in. The stats don't lie. What do you want him to do, defer to Flynn?

FG%
Anthony, 46%
Durant, 46%
Bryant, 45%
Rose, 45%
Beasley, 45%
Martin, 44%

3PT FG%
Anthony, 38%
Martin, 38%
Beasley, 37%
Durant, 35%
Rose, 33%
Bryant, 32%

ETA: If you scroll over on that link you supply, Beasley is second to Mellow and Durant in something called field goal efficiency. And Beasley took about half as many threes as the rest of those guys. Given his shooting percentage he should've taken a higher percentage of 3's or just plain MORE 3's, not less.

Don't trade Beasley. Give him another year as a #1 option.

[Ruhiel]

Perkins
Love
Beasley
Iggy
Rubio

Now this is a team.

First off Perkins is a top center and is signed to the OKC Thunder.
2ndly I mentioned about Beasley being a volume scorer who puts up points on bad shooting numbers earlier today and right on cue:

Wolves' Beasley among NBA's top 'gunners'
Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal - by John Vomhof Jr.
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:24am CD
http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/b ... nners.html

"Beasley chucked 1,082 two-point shots and 164 three-point shots this season. That means he attempted shots worth a total of 2,656 points in his 2,361 minutes of game action — a rate of 1.125 points attempted per minute, ranking sixth among all NBA players. (The analysis did not include free throw attempts since the referee, not the player himself, decides when those shots will be taken.)

Los Angeles Lakers superstar Kobe Bryant lead the league with 1.308 points attempted per minute among players who logged at least 1,000 minutes. Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, Kevin Martin and Kevin Durant rounded out the top five."

Read more: Wolves' Beasley among NBA's top 'gunners' | Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal

Bad shooting numbers? Beasley may be a chucker, but at least they're going in. The stats don't lie. What do you want him to do, defer to Flynn?

FG%
Anthony, 46%
Durant, 46%
Bryant, 45%
Rose, 45%
Beasley, 45%
Martin, 44%

3PT FG%
Anthony, 38%
Martin, 38%
Beasley, 37%
Durant, 35%
Rose, 33%
Bryant, 32%

The thread was me wanting to see Young and Iguodala on the TWolves wings.
People said they're Beasley was better/more potential. I lol'd.
I said his peak was a Rudy Gay type if he can reign it in a bit but I'd like to see Young in Beasley's role going forward.

RS TRUE shooting percentages

Young: .566, last year: .523 rookie year: .570
Anthony: .557, career high: .568
Bryant career: 556

Gay: .548, .528 in '09
Beasley: .510, career high: .528

[AQuintus]

RS TRUE shooting percentages

Young: .566, last year: .523 rookie year: .570

You know why Young's TS% is so hight, right? It's because he plays PF and consistently gets fed easy shots right at the rim. It's the same reason that no-post O Tyson Chandler has a league leading .697 TS%.

Edit:

51% of Young's shots are considered "inside" (Close, Dunks, or tips).
57% of Chandler's shots are considered "inside."
20% of Beasley's shots are considered "inside."

Even last year playing primarily as a PF off of Wade, Beasley still only had 30% of his shots considered "inside." It's really not surprising at all that Young's TS% is so high. He rarely has to create for himself, and he rarely has to take jumpers.

[Worm Guts]

Nothing wrong with that. The ability to get yourself easy shots is valuable.

EDIT: But it's not a fair to compare with guys like Anthony and Beasley who create their own shots and score more.

[AQuintus]

Nothing wrong with that. The ability to get yourself easy shots is valuable.

The problem is that he doesn't really get those easy shots for himself. Sure he does a good job making sure that he's open for the ball at the rim, but it's still someone else creating those shots for him.

EDIT: But it's not a fair to compare with guys like Anthony and Beasley who create their own shots and score more.

Yep, and this is basically what I was getting at.

[Ruhiel]

"Thaddeus Young has spin moves down to a science"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE6vf7eR60g[/youtube]

2 quick, 2 strong, throwback post-midrange player in halfcourt; trasitiom 2 fast

Paul Pierce? 2 fast; Granger, sets up with jumper pump fake, stregth & speed, and 1
Dunleavy, crossovers on Kirilenko, 2 slow 2 tall; isos on Dunleavy crossovers;Eurostep on Ginobili

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Syh8zSChE[/youtube]
6'7.5 with 6'11.5 wingspan very similar to Melo. Shorter wingspan but quicker ala Crash Wallace. 3.5" vert vert advantage. More athletic based game than Melo but similarly good looking shot release. Better speed in defense and in transition situations.

Idk I'd like to see Young in a lineup where he's the 3rd big instead of second. I like what Beasley's been doing just saying a fantasy situation I'd like Young's potential on my team quite a bit more.

U look across the NBA sf landscape he has a consistent matchup advantage, great speed and strength combination compared to most guys not named Lebron.
I believe Beasley can be an All Star though as well.

[Esohny]

Whoa. The very scholarly Youtube evidence.

[Sephiroth]

So he can run down the court and dunk the ball or lay it in.

Too bad the NBA is a half court game.

[shangrila]

Highlights of a high school All Star game are meant to show what exactly?

[Ruhiel]

Highlights of a high school All Star game are meant to show what exactly?

efficiency speed misconceptions about ballhandling

At any rate don't be sardonic with me, The days of automatically designating the Los Angeles Clippers as the NBA's worst team are over. Michael Beasley, thoroughly disgusted with the performance of his Minnesota Timeberwolves over the weekend, has proclaimed that his club is the dregs of the league.

Saturday 109-89 loss at Memphis saw the T-Wolves fall behind 25-5 in the first quarter as Minnesota committed a whopping 29 turnovers that helped Memphis get a franchise record 22 steals.

"I feel like everything we've been working on since training camp went out the window," Beasley told the St. Paul Pioneer Press. "As of right now, we're the worst team in the NBA."

Pardon me but I don't see how he competes against Durant or any other Western small forward over the next decade or so.

I'm sorry I don't like the fact Mike gets 19 shots per game while Love gets 14.

Has done nothing to suggest that he will ever be a volume scorer in the league, his strength is offset by his inability to get FTA. just being honest but the best games I've seen from him were against bad defenders.
edit: His offensive & defensive ratings confirm what I suspected Beasley gives up more points than he helps produce.

[Klomp]

At any rate don't be sardonic with me, The days of automatically designating the Los Angeles Clippers as the NBA's worst team are over. Michael Beasley, thoroughly disgusted with the performance of his Minnesota Timeberwolves over the weekend, has proclaimed that his club is the dregs of the league.

Have you checked the NBA standings recently? This is nothing new.

[Ruhiel]

Devilzsidewalk "I don't like him w/ Beasley because it would probably take away Iguodala's ability to defend the best wing scorer because it'll leave Beasley trying to keep up w/ SGs if Iggy is on the SF."

1) Iggy can cover anyone from point guards, Kobe Bryant, and 6'10 Durant lmao u act like he's Carmelo.

What are you talking about? He's talking about creating a poor matchup for Beasley.

So Ultimately you don't like him because Beasley would be exposed on defense. that is inherently sad
lol I used the word sardonic I need to go 2 sleep... gl to Beasley but wow I wonder how he and Rubio will play 2gether at best I see a good complementary player. Not a "superstar".

[Devilzsidewalk]

its not about him being a superstar, its about Michael Beasley not being able to defend a shooting guard. He isn't great at defending small forwards either, but at least it's physically possible. Defending a SG would be asking a lot though.

I can't break it down any better than that, i apologize

[shangrila]

Highlights of a high school All Star game are meant to show what exactly?

efficiency speed misconceptions about ballhandling

Highlights.
High school.
All Star game.

The only thing they show is how far back you had to go to find "evidence" that supported your argument.

As for the rest of your post...great, but it had nothing to do with what I was talking about.