Discussing Other Teams' Moves

[closg00]

Pacers also looking at Pritchard , yep they're on the right-track . I wish we were doing the same. Thank you very much for your years of service with us, now Lindsey or Pritchard will be managing the FO going forward.

Yes because the guy who took Oden over Durant and traded Zach Randolf for table scraps is obviously so much smarter than the rest of the league. How in the heck does that man not have a job?

You can pick out all 30 GMs and find questionable moves by every single one of them. However the better ones make fewer mistakes and aren't likely to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

The Zach Randolph move wasn't bad at the time. He was a dog. He was selfish. He was a chemistry killer with a bad contract. Just b/c he's balling now doesn't mean we can play the hindsight game. Zach was poisonous until he got to Memphis.

Pritchard would be a clear upgrade over Grunfeld IMO. He's adept at building through the draft. He's known for taking lesser GMs to the cleaners in trades. He's not perfect but he's fairly young, smart as a whip and he's big on using advanced statistics as a key tool for measuring & quantifying on-court performance. Of the guys with previous GM experience he's clearly the best guy available and his thinking would be more in line with what Leonsis has talked about doing.

I will only add that Grunfeld's contract is up in a year and no-teams are lining-up to request permission to get first-dibs on Ernie

[theboomking]

You can pick out all 30 GMs and find questionable moves by every single one of them. However the better ones make fewer mistakes and aren't likely to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

The Zach Randolph move wasn't bad at the time. He was a dog. He was selfish. He was a chemistry killer with a bad contract. Just b/c he's balling now doesn't mean we can play the hindsight game. Zach was poisonous until he got to Memphis.

Pritchard would be a clear upgrade over Grunfeld IMO. He's adept at building through the draft. He's known for taking lesser GMs to the cleaners in trades. He's not perfect but he's fairly young, smart as a whip and he's big on using advanced statistics as a key tool for measuring & quantifying on-court performance. Of the guys with previous GM experience he's clearly the best guy available and his thinking would be more in line with what Leonsis has talked about doing.

Dat, I disagree with you fervently about Kanter, and agree with you fervently here. Everyone in the league would have taken Oden over Durant, and Randolph has been cast off by multiple teams. People also forget how good Oden was when he was healthy.

What amazes me about Pritchard is how good Portland is despite having lost Oden and, for all intents and purposes, Roy. The Blazers took the Mavericks pretty close to the edge with what should, presuming good health, have been the complementary cast that Pritchard assembled. Pritchard would be a clear upgrade.

[LyricalRico]

Thinking out loud about trying to re-configure a few teams. Memphis looks to be better without Rudy Gay and needs to create cap space to pay Gasol. Dallas needs to get younger on the wings. Atlanta needs to move Horford to PF. And somebody mentioned in another thread Orlando needing to take a chance on Gil as a starter. How about this...

Magic trade: Nelson, QRich, and Anderson
Magic receive: Josh Smith and Teague

Grizzlies trade: Gay and Mayo
Grizzlies receive: Hinrich, Terry, and QRich

Hawks trade: Smith, Hinrich, Marvin, and Teague
Hawks receive: Gay, Haywood, and Nelson

Mavs trade: Haywood and Terry
Mavs receive: Mayo, Anderson, and Marvin

Any ideas on how I can get Memphis more than cap relief? If I can fix that, it would be pretty even IMO.

[LyricalRico]

Another Lakers scenario, this time without the Wiz.

Lakers trade: Gasol, Bynum, Walton, Ebanks, and future first
Lakers receive: Howard, Turkgolu, and Brand

Sixers trade: Brand and Iggy
Sixers receive: Gasol, Walton, and Ebanks

Magic trade: Howard and Turkgolu
Magic receive: Bynum, Iggy, and LA first

[closg00]

Another Lakers scenario, this time without the Wiz.

Lakers trade: Gasol, Bynum, Walton, Ebanks, and future first
Lakers receive: Howard, Turkgolu, and Brand

Sixers trade: Brand and Iggy
Sixers receive: Gasol, Walton, and Ebanks

Magic trade: Howard and Turkgolu
Magic receive: Bynum, Iggy, and LA first

Iggy is going to be hard to move....then-again, I never thought that Gilbert could be traded.

[verbal8]

Another Lakers scenario, this time without the Wiz.

Lakers trade: Gasol, Bynum, Walton, Ebanks, and future first
Lakers receive: Howard, Turkgolu, and Brand

Sixers trade: Brand and Iggy
Sixers receive: Gasol, Walton, and Ebanks

Magic trade: Howard and Turkgolu
Magic receive: Bynum, Iggy, and LA first

Iggy is going to be hard to move....then-again, I never thought that Gilbert could be traded.

Finding a good Iggy trade is tough, but finding interest should be pretty easy.

I think the Twolves, Cavs and Raptors would all give up cap space or a TPE to get Iggy. Teams like the Knicks, Spurs and Magic could use Iggy, but it would be tricky to make the salaries match up and get Philly much value back.

I think the Hawks might be a interesting trade option. Marvin Williams is decent but disappointing at SF. I think Iggy could work pretty well on the wing with Joe Johnson. The PG would have to be more spot up and shoot guy(like Derrick Fisher) than a distributor. Hinrich should be okay there in the short run.

I think if the Hawks gave up Williams, Zaza and a pick that would be a pretty good offer. Definitely not irresistible, but it does give the Sixers some size and depth.

[closg00]

Verb - I just think it'a hard to make the case that Iggy is worth near superstar salary, he's fine, but your not missing much by not havinging him. Philly will certainly have to take back a bad contract to move him.

[LyricalRico]

Celtics president Danny Ainge said that the team and coach Doc Rivers have come to an agreement on a five-year contract. Yahoo! Sports reports the deal is worth $35 million.

“We wanted him for five years and he wanted to stay for five years,” Ainge said. “I think Doc is the best coach in the league, so I think it’s great for us.”

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/bost ... n-with-cs/

So they were willing to commit longterm to Rondo, Pierce, and Rivers...but not Perkins? That trade is looking worse all the time.

[closg00]

Celtics president Danny Ainge said that the team and coach Doc Rivers have come to an agreement on a five-year contract. Yahoo! Sports reports the deal is worth $35 million.

“We wanted him for five years and he wanted to stay for five years,” Ainge said. “I think Doc is the best coach in the league, so I think it’s great for us.”

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/bost ... n-with-cs/

So they were willing to commit longterm to Rondo, Pierce, and Rivers...but not Perkins? That trade is looking worse all the time.

The Celts did offer an extension which I found to be fair for an under-sized C, but Perkins turned it down.

[LyricalRico]

^ Well, the C's offered Perkins a 4 year, $21.5M extension. He ended up getting 4 years, $34M from OKC. (The reason for the low offer from Boston, at least based on articles I've read online, is the salary cap rules surrounding extending contracts.) I don't think that $8M per year for a young starting C that has already proven he can play a role on a championship caliber is unreasonable. Heck, Rondo will make $11M per and Pierce around $15M per. Oh but $8M per for Perkins is somehow crossing the line?

Hey, if they had dealt Perkins for another big man on a smaller contract I would have understood. But to trade him for somebody like Jeff Green, who not only plays the same position as Pierce but who is also going to be a free agent and would garner a similar contract makes zero sense to me. Especially if you are going to turn around and commit to paying your head coach top dollar for 5 more years. Why de-stock the cupboard?

[closg00]

^ Well, the C's offered Perkins a 4 year, $21.5M extension. He ended up getting 4 years, $34M from OKC. (The reason for the low offer from Boston, at least based on articles I've read online, is the salary cap rules surrounding extending contracts.) I don't think that $8M per year for a young starting C that has already proven he can play a role on a championship caliber is unreasonable. Heck, Rondo will make $11M per and Pierce around $15M per. Oh but $8M per for Perkins is somehow crossing the line?

Hey, if they had dealt Perkins for another big man on a smaller contract I would have understood. But to trade him for somebody like Jeff Green, who not only plays the same position as Pierce but who is also going to be a free agent and would garner a similar contract makes zero sense to me. Especially if you are going to turn around and commit to paying your head coach top dollar for 5 more years. Why de-stock the cupboard?

Yikes! 4-year $21.5M, I thought it was more, perhaps they were taking his injury into consideration....but they could have put in some clauses to protect themselves. The offer does appear to be a low-ball.

[Illuminaire]

My understanding is that it was the most they could possibly offer on the extension. The %raises were as high as they could be.

The alternative was to promise him more and wait for him to become a (restricted?) free agent, then fight off other bidders .

[LyricalRico]

My understanding is that it was the most they could possibly offer on the extension. The %raises were as high as they could be.

The alternative was to promise him more and wait for him to become a (restricted?) free agent, then fight off other bidders .

But at least doing that would have given them a chance to go to the Finals again and then try to retain him at a higher amount using Bird Rights. That's certainly a better option than letting Jeff Green walk for nothing (or worse - paying Green anything close to what Perkins got from OKC).

[tsvqt]

If Minnesota gets the #1 overall pick;

Minnesota trades:
#1 overall pick, Darko Milicic, Wesley Johnson, Jonny Flynn.

L.A. Lakers trade:
Andrew Bynum, Steve Blake.

Lakers draft Enes Kanter with #1 pick.
PG - Fisher, Flynn
SG - Kobe, S.Brown
SF - Artest, W.Johnson, Walton
PF - Odom, Kanter, (Gasol), (four 2nd rd picks)
C - Gasol, Milicic

T-Wolves
PG - Rubio, Ridnour
SG - Webster, Ellington
SF - Beasley, Randolph
PF - Love, Pekovic, Tolliver
C - Bynum, (F/A), #20 pick

Lakers add youth. Wolves finally add a true center.

[fishercob]

If Minnesota gets the #1 overall pick;

Minnesota trades:
#1 overall pick, Darko Milicic, Wesley Johnson, Jonny Flynn.

L.A. Lakers trade:
Andrew Bynum, Steve Blake.

Lakers draft Enes Kanter with #1 pick.
PG - Fisher, Flynn
SG - Kobe, S.Brown
SF - Artest, W.Johnson, Walton
PF - Odom, Kanter, (Gasol), (four 2nd rd picks)
C - Gasol, Milicic

T-Wolves
PG - Rubio, Ridnour
SG - Webster, Ellington
SF - Beasley, Randolph
PF - Love, Pekovic, Tolliver
C - Bynum, (F/A), #20 pick

Lakers add youth. Wolves finally add a true center.

Very interesting and creative, tsvqt. It sure does give LA some additional speed and athleticism that Jerry West and Phil Jackson have said they need. They'd have to really love Kanter to roll with Pau/Enes/Odom as their top 3 bigs.

I think Minny would have to make this deal.

[closg00]

If Minnesota gets the #1 overall pick;

Minnesota trades:
#1 overall pick, Darko Milicic, Wesley Johnson, Jonny Flynn.

L.A. Lakers trade:
Andrew Bynum, Steve Blake.

Lakers draft Enes Kanter with #1 pick.
PG - Fisher, Flynn
SG - Kobe, S.Brown
SF - Artest, W.Johnson, Walton
PF - Odom, Kanter, (Gasol), (four 2nd rd picks)
C - Gasol, Milicic

T-Wolves
PG - Rubio, Ridnour
SG - Webster, Ellington
SF - Beasley, Randolph
PF - Love, Pekovic, Tolliver
C - Bynum, (F/A), #20 pick

Lakers add youth. Wolves finally add a true center.

With Bynum's injury history, I'd build with Irving and trade Rubio's plummeting draft-rights for a big or pick.

[LyricalRico]

Looks like CLE ended up making the best deadline move since it resulted in their getting the #1 overall pick. Dan Gilbert's revenge begins!

[spaceman_E]

Why would the Lakers take Kanter over DWill or Irving again?

[spaceman_E]

Assuming Dwight is gone, why would either team reject this?

Nate Robinson(exp), Harden, Ibaka, Perkins for Dwight Howard.

Orlando gets very good talent that is also young and would remain competitive with that front line. OKC would have the REAL big 3 and still have roleplayers leftover in Thabo and Collison plus the rest of the offseason to plug holes.

[LyricalRico]

Yet another superstar for Westbrook to NOT pass to.