Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ How does Kanter not know the NA game? He's played at Stoneridge Prep, the Jordan Brand Classic/Hoop Summit/Nike Skills Academy, and has spent the last year at Kentucky. Simply because he played for Fenerbahce in the Turkish Basketball League and Euroleague (which I'll take over any high school in the country) when he was 16 years old doesn't mean he isn't used to the game here. No, he didn't play college ball this year, which sucks because we didn't get to fully evaluate his strengths/weaknesses against better competition-- but It's no different than drafting a guy out of high school.

[Indeed]

Kanter isn't really a project though. My definition of a project is a player too raw for more than sparse minutes immediately who will eventually develop in game and physicality enough to play. Val is a classic project cause his body and athleticism and lack of offensive polish will make him a likely 10 minute foul pole for at least a year. He will need physical, skill and mental development before being a plus player

Kanter seems like a guy who's inside and outside skills are already mostly developed, and he physically he's already what he's likely to be a - Thick and strong with ok athleticism. Kanter seems like one of the most NBA ready players. Kanter is more OJ Mayo than Russell Westbrook IMO (in terms of being ready for the NBA when drafted and likely producing quickly)

I think he is even more NBA ready.
More than 20mins, I think he might plays 25-28mins, depends on foul situation.
I think he is a patient guy, mentally and physically ready, so he won't jump on fakes. But some more skill works would be great. Similar to Bargnani in his first year, but Kanter has less ceiling than Irving and D Will.

[Tenacious_C]

I highly doubt that. If we took a rookie as raw as Demar and started him in an important year where we were trying to make the playoffs, I don't see why a much higher pick in Kanter and as a much more polished player would come off the bench in a rebuilding year.


I think we'd throw him into the fire and manage his minutes somwhat, especially since he'll likely have no competition at that spot.

Kanter is a top 3 pick due to the talent that dropped out. This was considered a weak draft before players dropped out.

Look at Derozan's draft class

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_Draft#Draft

Derozan was the number 9 pick in a strong draft class, an athelete and had a years worth of NCAA ball to get experience and tape from.

Kanter has clips from what looks like a game at Father Leo J Austin CSS, hasn't played in a year and is top 3 due to lack of bodies.


I don''t mind drafting him, but can we please stop overhyping our pick and getting our hopes up. The fall out and subsequent clean up on this board is frustrating for our mods (See any AB thread)

[Tenacious_C]

^^ How does Kanter not know the NA game? He's played at Stoneridge Prep, the Jordan Brand Classic/Hoop Summit/Nike Skills Academy, and has spent the last year at Kentucky. Simply because he played for Fenerbahce in the Turkish Basketball League and Euroleague (which I'll take over any high school in the country) when he was 16 years old doesn't mean he isn't used to the game here. No, he didn't play college ball this year, which sucks because we didn't get to fully evaluate his strengths/weaknesses against better competition-- but It's no different than drafting a guy out of high school.

Which is my point. Are you willing to commit 5 years to this guy developing? Whether it takes 5 years or not is a totally different story; but are you prepared to do so?

[5DOM]

I have no doubt that Kanter has a good understanding of the NA game (whatever that may be), but here's a note of the HS competition Kanter played in the States.

Stoneridge is an "Academy" that is NOT in the mainstream system of HS basketball in Calif,does not play the regular teams,is not in the regular playoffs. There's vague implications,hints,yet strangely some odd stuff 35/20 .."near the end of the year" meaning...what? 50 pt or 30 reb.....vs WHO? If the other team is no better than a typical HS JV....and Kanter is playing vs a guy 6-2.....what does it mean? But even so...where's the actual details?
Kanter is a mystery who's being promoted as if he was the ace of one of the top college teams. That Calipari selected him as one of his NBA-Prep guys is probably the best clue that he has talent. One and done guys are his specialty.

And he only played 31 minutes all season in the Euroleague.

[Tenacious_C]

You do realize that Kanter has been in the U.S. for over 2 years, played HS ball in Cali and then trained with UK under Calipari?

I'm pretty sure Kanter understands the NA game and his current training with Tim Grover at ATTACK is only going to further that.

You also realize that if 5 other players didn't drop out of the draft we wouldn't be picking him at 3 right?

[Reignman]

I highly doubt that. If we took a rookie as raw as Demar and started him in an important year where we were trying to make the playoffs, I don't see why a much higher pick in Kanter and as a much more polished player would come off the bench in a rebuilding year.


I think we'd throw him into the fire and manage his minutes somwhat, especially since he'll likely have no competition at that spot.

Kanter is a top 3 pick due to the talent that dropped out. This was considered a weak draft before players dropped out.

Look at Derozan's draft class

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_Draft#Draft

Derozan was the number 9 pick in a strong draft class, an athelete and had a years worth of NCAA ball to get experience and tape from.

Kanter has clips from what looks like a game at Father Leo J Austin CSS, hasn't played in a year and is top 3 due to lack of bodies.


I don''t mind drafting him, but can we please stop overhyping our pick and getting our hopes up. The fall out and subsequent clean up on this board is frustrating for our mods (See any AB thread)

Who cares what you or I think? Kanter has been scouted by professionals and he'll be worked out by NBA teams. If he's drafted 3rd it's cuz he deserves to be drafted that high, not because teams are enamoured by youtube clips.

Remember, at one time HS players were allowed to be drafted, that's the way teams will treat Kanter.


And honestly, I haven't seen many people overrate Kanter, most are hoping he'll be a good two-way C for us. Do you hear anyone saying he's guaranteed 20/10? No, people are pretty much tempering their expectations. Unfortunately for Bargs the team overhyped him and his fans overhyped him (Dirk comparisons) and then the team kept giving him a bigger and bigger role that he didn't deserve. On top of that the guy doesn't exactly seem to be a hard worker and his effort level wavers from game to game. It's easy to see why he gets the amount of hate he does.

[Reignman]

You do realize that Kanter has been in the U.S. for over 2 years, played HS ball in Cali and then trained with UK under Calipari?

I'm pretty sure Kanter understands the NA game and his current training with Tim Grover at ATTACK is only going to further that.

You also realize that if 5 other players didn't drop out of the draft we wouldn't be picking him at 3 right?

Kanter has been around top 5-7 all year round so I'm not sure what others dropping out have to do with anything. He'd likely have gone pretty high even if those guys didn't drop out.

And you also have to take into consideration how high he would've gone if he actually played in college. UK thought highly enough of him that they still recruited him even though he had eligibility issues.

[Tenacious_C]

And honestly, I haven't seen many people overrate Kanter, most are hoping he'll be a good two-way C for us. Do you hear anyone saying he's guaranteed 20/10? No, people are pretty much tempering their expectations. Unfortunately for Bargs the team overhyped him and his fans overhyped him (Dirk comparisons) and then the team kept giving him a bigger and bigger role that he didn't deserve. On top of that the guy doesn't exactly seem to be a hard worker and his effort level wavers from game to game. It's easy to see why he gets the amount of hate he does.

Why are you getting all f***ed up?

Your hatred for AB has nothing to do with us drafting EK 3rd overall. Bottom line is that he is a top 3 pick by default. I would feel better if he was right out of high school because then it would be understood that he is a project with upside.

As far as being a 2 way player, all reports I have read indicate that his defense is suspect (as it should be) and it takes time to adjust to the NBA game.

All I am saying is that if we do draft him, please don't get all worked up if he doesn't live up to his top 3 pick billing.

All this still doesn't change the undeniable fact that the 2011 NBA draft was weak BEFORE players pulled out.

Quit ridding this guy like he's Patrick Ewing

[Reignman]

^^ How does Kanter not know the NA game? He's played at Stoneridge Prep, the Jordan Brand Classic/Hoop Summit/Nike Skills Academy, and has spent the last year at Kentucky. Simply because he played for Fenerbahce in the Turkish Basketball League and Euroleague (which I'll take over any high school in the country) when he was 16 years old doesn't mean he isn't used to the game here. No, he didn't play college ball this year, which sucks because we didn't get to fully evaluate his strengths/weaknesses against better competition-- but It's no different than drafting a guy out of high school.

Which is my point. Are you willing to commit 5 years to this guy developing? Whether it takes 5 years or not is a totally different story; but are you prepared to do so?

It's not about timeframe, if you pick a prospect high you should be committed to developing him for the sake of the team. That shouldn't even be a question considering "NBA ready" players really don't exist.

[Tenacious_C]

You do realize that Kanter has been in the U.S. for over 2 years, played HS ball in Cali and then trained with UK under Calipari?

I'm pretty sure Kanter understands the NA game and his current training with Tim Grover at ATTACK is only going to further that.

You also realize that if 5 other players didn't drop out of the draft we wouldn't be picking him at 3 right?

Kanter has been around top 5-7 all year round so I'm not sure what others dropping out have to do with anything. He'd likely have gone pretty high even if those guys didn't drop out.

And you also have to take into consideration how high he would've gone if he actually played in college. UK thought highly enough of him that they still recruited him even though he had eligibility issues.

5-7 pick and we are expected to draft 3rd; would you take a number 5-7 with your third pick?

[Reignman]

And honestly, I haven't seen many people overrate Kanter, most are hoping he'll be a good two-way C for us. Do you hear anyone saying he's guaranteed 20/10? No, people are pretty much tempering their expectations. Unfortunately for Bargs the team overhyped him and his fans overhyped him (Dirk comparisons) and then the team kept giving him a bigger and bigger role that he didn't deserve. On top of that the guy doesn't exactly seem to be a hard worker and his effort level wavers from game to game. It's easy to see why he gets the amount of hate he does.

Why are you getting all f***ed up?

Your hatred for AB has nothing to do with us drafting EK 3rd overall. Bottom line is that he is a top 3 pick by default. I would feel better if he was right out of high school because then it would be understood that he is a project with upside.

As far as being a 2 way player, all reports I have read indicate that his defense is suspect (as it should be) and it takes time to adjust to the NBA game.

All I am saying is that if we do draft him, please don't get all worked up if he doesn't live up to his top 3 pick billing.

All this still doesn't change the undeniable fact that the 2011 NBA draft was weak BEFORE players pulled out.

Quit ridding this guy like he's Patrick Ewing

You lack basic comprehension so I'm done. I tried to explain things to you normally but it doesn't get through your skull.



Like I said, nobody is really overrating him, most just hope we can get a viable C option out of this draft.

Anyway, carry on, I might get myself banned if I start telling you how I really feel.

[5DOM]

I am not sure if "overrate" is the right word, but I do think that Kanter's given the benefit of the doubt more often than not (and there are many doubts) especially when it comes to rebounding and defense. I've even heard some say that he's definitely going to be a great rebounder in the NBA.

[Tenacious_C]

^^ How does Kanter not know the NA game? He's played at Stoneridge Prep, the Jordan Brand Classic/Hoop Summit/Nike Skills Academy, and has spent the last year at Kentucky. Simply because he played for Fenerbahce in the Turkish Basketball League and Euroleague (which I'll take over any high school in the country) when he was 16 years old doesn't mean he isn't used to the game here. No, he didn't play college ball this year, which sucks because we didn't get to fully evaluate his strengths/weaknesses against better competition-- but It's no different than drafting a guy out of high school.

Which is my point. Are you willing to commit 5 years to this guy developing? Whether it takes 5 years or not is a totally different story; but are you prepared to do so?

It's not about timeframe, if you pick a prospect high you should be committed to developing him for the sake of the team. That shouldn't even be a question considering "NBA ready" players really don't exist.

What you completely fail to understand is that he is a high draft pick because of dwindling options......on top of this being a weak draft to boot..

Your expectations are WAY to high

[bboyskinnylegs]

Which is my point. Are you willing to commit 5 years to this guy developing? Whether it takes 5 years or not is a totally different story; but are you prepared to do so?

Who said anything about 5 years? We don't need to commit 5 years to anyone we draft, because we aren't doing anything stupid trying to convert someone's natural position in this draft the way we did with Bargnani. No, you're not going to have a finished product when you draft an 18-year old kid and it will take some time, but you should see some returns regardless of who we pick.

[Reignman]

You also realize that if 5 other players didn't drop out of the draft we wouldn't be picking him at 3 right?

Kanter has been around top 5-7 all year round so I'm not sure what others dropping out have to do with anything. He'd likely have gone pretty high even if those guys didn't drop out.

And you also have to take into consideration how high he would've gone if he actually played in college. UK thought highly enough of him that they still recruited him even though he had eligibility issues.

5-7 pick and we are expected to draft 3rd; would you take a number 5-7 with your third pick?

Are you really arguing about the differences between a 3rd pick and a 5-7 pick? Kanter was highly regarded pick throughout the year, that's all that matters.

[Rhettmatic]

5-7 pick and we are expected to draft 3rd; would you take a number 5-7 with your third pick?

Isn't this going to happen no matter what, given that Barnes and Sullinger (among others) didn't declare?

I'm not even advocating for Kanter, since I've only seen YouTube clips of him and I have no idea if he's any good. But this particular argument of yours doesn't really make any sense.

[Tenacious_C]

You lack basic comprehension so I'm done. I tried to explain things to you normally but it doesn't get through your skull.



Like I said, nobody is really overrating him, most just hope we can get a viable C option out of this draft.

Anyway, carry on, I might get myself banned if I start telling you how I really feel.

lol

You are overrating him.....look at your posts.

U Mad?

Baiting. Cut it out.

[Dr Positivity]

12 days till the lotto boys. Will go quick.

[Reignman]

Which is my point. Are you willing to commit 5 years to this guy developing? Whether it takes 5 years or not is a totally different story; but are you prepared to do so?

It's not about timeframe, if you pick a prospect high you should be committed to developing him for the sake of the team. That shouldn't even be a question considering "NBA ready" players really don't exist.

What you completely fail to understand is that he is a high draft pick because of dwindling options......on top of this being a weak draft to boot..

Your expectations are WAY to high

Giving a high pick a starting role on a rebuilding team isn't high expectations, anyone with common sense would do that. Especially a team that doesn't really have any other solution at C.