Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[Tenacious_C]

5-7 pick and we are expected to draft 3rd; would you take a number 5-7 with your third pick?

Isn't this going to happen no matter what, given that Barnes and Sullinger (among others) didn't declare?

I'm not even advocating for Kanter, since I've only seen YouTube clips of him and I have no idea if he's any good. But this particular argument of yours doesn't really make any sense.

My point is that EK is going third overall by default and this needs to be kept in mind when posters nerdrage when he doesn't live up to his top 3 billing.

I like to call it the Bargnani Effect.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Aim for Irving.

C'mon lady luck, we need that no. 1 pick!

[Reignman]

You lack basic comprehension so I'm done. I tried to explain things to you normally but it doesn't get through your skull.



Like I said, nobody is really overrating him, most just hope we can get a viable C option out of this draft.

Anyway, carry on, I might get myself banned if I start telling you how I really feel.

lol

You are overrating him.....look at your posts.

U Mad?

haha, I think I figured you out. You're a Bargnani fan aren't you? Yup, now I get it, you're mad that he's getting pushed out and you were hoping for us to get a vet C to play next to Bargs.

I'm guessing U Mad because of that.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Somehow, I doubt we stay at 3. I think we'll be one of the teams that get moved up or down during the lottery process. Wasn't it like, 47% chance at picks 1-3, 52% chance at picks 4-6, or something like that?

[witnessraps]

5-7 pick and we are expected to draft 3rd; would you take a number 5-7 with your third pick?

Isn't this going to happen no matter what, given that Barnes and Sullinger (among others) didn't declare?

I'm not even advocating for Kanter, since I've only seen YouTube clips of him and I have no idea if he's any good. But this particular argument of yours doesn't really make any sense.

My point is that EK is going third overall by default and this needs to be kept in mind when posters nerdrage when he doesn't live up to his top 3 billing.

I like to call it the Bargnani Effect.

by default? The Bargnani effect? What the hell are you mumbling

[Tenacious_C]

haha, I think I figured you out. You're a Bargnani fan aren't you? Yup, now I get it, you're mad that he's getting pushed out and you were hoping for us to get a vet C to play next to Bargs.

I'm guessing U Mad because of that.

This thread is about the NBA draft and our pick. You're the one making the assumption that Bargs will be moved to the 4 or getting traded (this is why you love EK so).

I have no problems drafting EK, I just want to get it out in the open that he is a project and we'd had better be prepared to put a couple of years worth of time and effort into him; because if we are still a disaster in the middle when it comes to signing DD and ED, we're done.

If he works out, awesome. But be prepared to put in the work.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Somehow, I doubt we stay at 3. I think we'll be one of the teams that get moved up or down during the lottery process. Wasn't it like, 47% chance at picks 1-3, 52% chance at picks 4-6, or something like that?

well, we've only got a 15.6% chance of staying at #3... and an 84.4% chance of NOT staying at #3 (31.3% chance we move into the top two to select Kyrie/Williams, 53.1% chance we move down to #4-6)

[Reignman]

haha, I think I figured you out. You're a Bargnani fan aren't you? Yup, now I get it, you're mad that he's getting pushed out and you were hoping for us to get a vet C to play next to Bargs.

I'm guessing U Mad because of that.

This thread is about the NBA draft and our pick. You're the one making the assumption that Bargs will be moved to the 4 or getting traded (this is why you love EK so).

I have no problems drafting EK, I just want to get it out in the open that he is a project and we'd had better be prepared to put a couple of years worth of time and effort into him; because if we are still a disaster in the middle when it comes to signing DD and ED, we're done.

If he works out, awesome. But be prepared to put in the work.

Of course, as happens with every high pick in every draft. You have to develop them and it usually takes some time with bigs and point guards.

That doesn't mean you bench the guy and don't give him mins, in fact, you should do the opposite, let him learn on the court. Especially when you're rebuilding.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Somehow, I doubt we stay at 3. I think we'll be one of the teams that get moved up or down during the lottery process. Wasn't it like, 47% chance at picks 1-3, 52% chance at picks 4-6, or something like that?

well, we've only got a 15.6% chance of staying at #3... and an 84.4% chance of NOT staying at #3 (31.3% chance we move into the top two to select Kyrie/Williams, 53.1% chance we move down to #4-6)

Thanks for that. Yeah, I knew it was a high number. Let's hope we're on the good side of that 84.4%, picking one or two.

[Tenacious_C]

Of course, as happens with every high pick in every draft. You have to develop them and it usually takes some time with bigs and point guards.

That doesn't mean you bench the guy and don't give him mins, in fact, you should do the opposite, let him learn on the court. Especially when you're rebuilding.

I'm not saying that we bench him, but by no means does he start.

Second, I would consider trading the pick.

[Lionel Messi]

What kind of value do you think we'll get from trading the pick?

This draft sucks, yes, but trading the pick doesn't guarantee better value.

[Rhettmatic]

Of course, as happens with every high pick in every draft. You have to develop them and it usually takes some time with bigs and point guards.

That doesn't mean you bench the guy and don't give him mins, in fact, you should do the opposite, let him learn on the court. Especially when you're rebuilding.

I'm not saying that we bench him, but by no means does he start.

We have no idea at all how good Enes Kanter is. None of us have seen him play outside of YouTube highlights. We have no idea whether he deserves to start, or to play regular minutes, or not to play at all.

We also don't know who will be on the team once they eventually play, so this comment seems completely baseless to me.

[arbsn]

what are the chances of us getting #1 and drafting DWILL

that scares me

at 3 I could care less who we pick

[Tenacious_C]

What kind of value do you think we'll get from trading the pick?

This draft sucks, yes, but trading the pick doesn't guarantee better value.

I think it's something that can be explored. I like the C that are available next year and think that we could trade our pick this year to a bubble team and get their first round next year.

I'm sure that there are teams that would be willing to take a chance on this guy may develop into something special.

In case you'd hadn't noticed, this organization is atrocious at developing big men.

[Basketball_Jones]

Agreed. Bargs would probably be up there with Rose in MVP voting if he was developed properly. I hope he gets traded so another team can fully develop his potential.

[Rhettmatic]

What kind of value do you think we'll get from trading the pick?

This draft sucks, yes, but trading the pick doesn't guarantee better value.

I think it's something that can be explored. I like the C that are available next year and think that we could trade our pick this year to a bubble team and get their first round next year.

I'm sure that there are teams that would be willing to take a chance on this guy may develop into something special.

In case you'd hadn't noticed, this organization is atrocious at developing big men.

Really? I think we've just drafted some bad big men. Others have done well.

Chris Bosh developed nicely. Ed Davis is doing well. Charlie Villaneuva had as much success here as he did anywhere else.

How many big men did we do a poor job developing only to see them flourish elsewhere?

[ballislife]

Yea that argument ^ makes absolutely no sense. I hate the fact that people sitting at computers can write off a player based on a few videos, when they have no idea what the guys actually like. Once we actually see some work outs and hear what NBA scouts have to say about him based on those work outs, then we can make a more appropriate analysis of his skill-set. With that said, there are NBA people who have said he's basically a Horford-caliber player - Horford went #3 overall in a pretty good draft - so IF they're right, picking him at #3 isn't a stretch at all.

In addition to the scouts, his coach and team mates have raved about him, saying that if he had the chance to play this season, he would be one of the best big men in NCAA basketbal - similar to, if not better than Sullinger. I'm not saying take their word for it... but please don't disregard it and bring about terrible arguments by stating he's not worthy of a top pick. Who's to say that if he played this season and dominated, he wouldn't be a better prospect then Williams or Irving? Obviously no one can really say anything right now - especially about a guy who hasn't been on the map for a while. I hope he comes into the NBA and plays great, just to put a muzzle on people who have no idea what's going on.

[CanadaB-Ball]

What kind of value do you think we'll get from trading the pick?

This draft sucks, yes, but trading the pick doesn't guarantee better value.

I think it's something that can be explored. I like the C that are available next year and think that we could trade our pick this year to a bubble team and get their first round next year.

I'm sure that there are teams that would be willing to take a chance on this guy may develop into something special.

In case you'd hadn't noticed, this organization is atrocious at developing big men.

What?

What centers are available next year?

As far as I can tell, next years center crop is basically non-existent.

[Lionel Messi]

What kind of value do you think we'll get from trading the pick?

This draft sucks, yes, but trading the pick doesn't guarantee better value.

I think it's something that can be explored. I like the C that are available next year and think that we could trade our pick this year to a bubble team and get their first round next year.

I'm sure that there are teams that would be willing to take a chance on this guy may develop into something special.

In case you'd hadn't noticed, this organization is atrocious at developing big men.

Why does every one of your posts seem to be fueled by your undying love for Bargnani?
Bargnani developed poorly because he wasn't good enough, it has very little to do with the organization. Good players become good players.

[Tenacious_C]

We have no idea at all how good Enes Kanter is. None of us have seen him play outside of YouTube highlights. We have no idea whether he deserves to start, or to play regular minutes, or not to play at all.

We also don't know who will be on the team once they eventually play, so this comment seems completely baseless to me.

That's the nature of drafting. Based on what you now about him, do you draft him 3rd overall? Considering the options, yes.

If those other players didn't drop out? No

Just because he is a third overall in this draft class doesn't make him GOAT and the saving grace at C for this team.