Why Dont You Guys Bench Pau?

dlts20 · Post #1 » by **dlts20** » Sat May 7, 2011 3:07 pm

to me, thats by far and away the only matchup that works. Start Odom at the 4. It will only be for this series. Bring back Ron at the 3 and make Gasol the 6th man. This isnt a benching like people wanted Boozer. This is just a style matchup. The frontcourt would be better starting Ron, LO, and Bynum in this series due to the matchups.

I believe its possible you could run the table if you make that switch but I doubt that Phil will. Starting Odom at the 3 doesnt matter because Gasol or Bynum will still have to either guard Dirk or Marion. Bringin LO off the bench doesnt work because he's the only one who can match Dirk. Start him at the 4 and bring Gasol off the bench for this series

Post #2 » by **Kilroy** » Sat May 7, 2011 4:41 pm

Because as disappointing as Pau has played, he's still our 3rd or 4th best player...

He sucks right now, but so does everyone not named Kobe, Bynum and in stretches, Odom...

Artest has been clanking all the wide-open shots he gets, Barnes forgot he was still playing in the playoffs, Brown should play maybe 10min a game, and Fish retired after the NO series... It's just that nobody told him.

And if I'm real honest, our entire team's execution with maybe the exception of Bynum has been just plain awful...

Benching Pau may be satisfying but I really don't think it helps us win a game against Dallas....

Playing small-ball might, but we ingeniously got rid of any potential small-ball lineup with the ouster of Farmar and Sasha...

I honestly think if we got a win against Dallas, it would be a whole new series... I think a signature LA win might put them on their heels and I have a feeling they're a little afraid that happens... I'm not naive enough to think we have a shot at a title at this point, but I think we might be able to push this to game 7 if we can just win the next one in Dallas...

But the only way I think that happens is if Pau absolutely goes off on Dirk...

So I think benching him is the last thing we need to do.

We need to break him out of his funk... Unfortunately, if he isn't out by now, I don't think he will be out...
Out of the closet, perhaps... Out of LA, probably...

But not helping us win a championship...

dlts20 · Post #3 » by **dlts20** » Sat May 7, 2011 6:10 pm

Kilroy wrote:Because as disappointing as Pau has played, he's still our 3rd or 4th best player...

He sucks right now, but so does everyone not named Kobe, Bynum and in stretches, Odom...

Artest has been clanking all the wide-open shots he gets, Barnes forgot he was still playing in the playoffs, Brown should play maybe 10min a game, and Fish retired after the NO series... It's just that nobody told him.

And if I'm real honest, our entire team's execution with maybe the exception of Bynum has been just plain awful...

Benching Pau may be satisfying but I really don't think it helps us win a game against Dallas....

Playing small-ball might, but we ingeniously got rid of any potential small-ball lineup with the ouster of Farmar and Sasha...

I honestly think if we got a win against Dallas, it would be a whole new series... I think a signature LA win might put them on their heels and I have a feeling they're a little afraid that happens... I'm not naive enough to think we have a shot at a title at this point, but I think we might be able to push this to game 7 if we can just win the next one in Dallas...

But the only way I think that happens is if Pau absolutely goes off on Dirk...

So I think benching him is the last thing we need to do.

We need to break him out of his funk... Unfortunately, if he isn't out by now, I don't think he will be out...
Out of the closet, perhaps... Out of LA, probably...

But not helping us win a championship...

yeah but you act like bringing him off the bench means he doesnt play. Bynum can play 36min at the 5, LO 24min at the 4, LO 12min at the 3, Ron & Mattin split 36 at the 3, & Pau gets 36min off the bench. 12 at the 5 & 24 at the 4 while probably only seeing Dirk for 12 of those min. I think that works better

hoops_32 · Post #4 » by **hoops_32** » Sat May 7, 2011 6:49 pm

Pau needs a boost of confidence not to have it shattered. Benching him sends him and this team the wrong meassage. I would look to get Pau going early and try and get Dirk into foul trouble.

Post #5 » by **Kilroy** » Sat May 7, 2011 6:53 pm

hoops_32 wrote:Pau needs a boost of confidence not to have it shattered. Benching him sends him and this team the wrong meassage. I would look to get Pau going early and try and get Dirk into foul trouble.

Yeah... Pau has mental problems right now...

I think if you take him out of the starting lineup, you're essentially giving up on him ever being a factor in this series... If you think we can win without him, fine...

But so far we've gotten a couple big games from both Bynum and Kobe and decent production from LO and we've still lost... We need Pau...

Jajwanda · Post #6 » by **Jajwanda** » Sat May 7, 2011 7:44 pm

Are you people serious? The man is already shattered get his confidence up against Haywood. For the thousandth time, the Lakers best defensive lineup is when Artest-Odom-Bynum are together. They are excellent. Kobe is in the post rather than outside.

It totally destroys the Mavericks' rotations because Gasol will at some point be on the floor with Bynum but the problem for Dallas will be that if it's when Dirk is resting, Shawn Marion will have to guard him. You're not going to get Pau going the way he's been starting. ENOUGH with the thick-headedness try something new.

Most of all though PUT KOBE BRYANT IN THE POST. Put Ron Artest in the post and force them to take Peja out of the damn game. This is ridiculous.

Think about this fact. If Nowitzki is shooting 76% against Gasol. How well do you think he's doing against Bynum and Odom? Not very well.

dlts20 · Post #7 » by **dlts20** » Sat May 7, 2011 7:44 pm

all Im saying is I called this before the series. I remember a few years ago when Pau was a beast on Memphis. They were playing Dallas. Barkley talked non stop about wanting to see this matchup and Dirk destroyed him man to man like Ive never seen a star player do another. Why would this time be any different. Sure he struggled against NO so you can try to put it on that and say its way more then Dirk but I think even if he's right, Dirk will still kill him just like he did back then. Its a bad matchup.

Im a Wiz fan and we certainly arent on you guys level. We have McGee as our starting Center and he plays well against alot of guys. However, he gets destroyed by Howard every single time. Its no contest. Yet when Howard goes out the game, then he dominates. Thats why we should start someone else against the Magic or teams like that and bring him off the bench to dominate there 2nd unit. You dont need to do that in the regular season but when the playoffs are on the line then thats what it is. Its no time to make guys feel good.

You gave Pau a chance and its not working. Dont wait until you are elimanted then wonder if something else wouldve worked. Gasol will probably dominate there 2nd team just like McGee does. Again, you can start Pau right again in the next series. Sure its a bad look and makes it seem like he's not in the same class as Dirk but again, its no time to worry about guys feelings. Do whats best for the team

Speedlot · Post #8 » by **Speedlot** » Sat May 7, 2011 7:50 pm

But he leads our team in winshares.

lobishome · Post #9 » by **lobishome** » Sat May 7, 2011 8:11 pm

GAME 1
Gasol +9
Kobe +6
Odom +3
Artest +1
Fisher -1
Bynum -16

GAME2
Gasol -1
Fisher-4
Bynum -5
Kobe -8
Artest -9
Odom -18

GAME3
Odom -1
Fisher-6
Kobe -6
Gasol -7
Bynum -9
Artest (out)

TOTAL
Gasol +1
Kobe -8
Artest -8 ( 2 games)
Fisher-11
Odom -16
Bynum -30

Bench Pau? :wavefinger:

Speedlot · Post #10 » by **Speedlot** » Sat May 7, 2011 8:29 pm

I guess U have to bench Bynum then by following your stupid +/-.

dlts20 · Post #11 » by **dlts20** » Sat May 7, 2011 8:35 pm

I was also going to say that if you are so worried about Pau mentally then you can start him at the 5 and bench Bynum but Bynum's been the best player. It wouldnt be fair. I just think if you switch Pau & Odom's role's for this series then you could win it

dlts20 · Post #12 » by **dlts20** » Sat May 7, 2011 8:36 pm

lobishome wrote:GAME 1
Gasol +9
Kobe +6
Odom +3
Artest +1
Fisher -1
Bynum -16

GAME2
Gasol -1
Fisher-4
Bynum -5
Kobe -8
Artest -9
Odom -18

GAME3
Odom -1
Fisher-6
Kobe -6
Gasol -7
Bynum -9
Artest (out)

TOTAL
Gasol +1
Kobe -8
Artest -8 ( 2 games)
Fisher-11
Odom -16
Bynum -30

Bench Pau?

+/- means nothing. I guess you dont see the WT headline about Dirk never missing against Pau

lobishome · Post #13 » by **lobishome** » Sat May 7, 2011 8:38 pm

Speedlot wrote:I guess U have to bench Bynum then by following your stupid +/-.

Spanish fan here ...

I don't guess nothing, simply I think is better take a look to this stupid +- before say stupidities, otherwise, you only want to see Pau bearing all the Crosses. Amen. :pray:

RocketPower23 · Post #14 » by **RocketPower23** » Sat May 7, 2011 8:41 pm

I feel bad for Pau. He has done so much to shed his soft label the past couple years, only know to have idiots like Amare and Perkins feel vindicated because of his poor showing. It's on Pau though, don't give them a reason to call you soft.

kobedabestever · Post #15 » by **kobedabestever** » Sun May 8, 2011 12:17 am

Add artest take out fisher and lets go long and big and try to win with defense they had a hard time scoring with odom gasol and bynum

chefy · Post #16 » by **chefy** » Sun May 8, 2011 10:49 am

too late for experiments like this. start him, if his sucking then take him out.

ALL HAIL · Post #17 » by **ALL HAIL** » Sun May 8, 2011 4:30 pm

I've been on this board callinf for Gasol to be our sixth man for three years now, and I still feel that way, but in this case I'd be more in favor of monitoring his mental state and keeping him on a very short leash.

Dude is just way too fragile ... if you sit him now, he might turn into Mike Smrek.