GAME3 LAKERS @ MAVS 6:30PM ESPN/KCAL 5/6/11

[HeatRing2012]

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If you read my whole post your question will be answered. They needed to go back into the middle, when the game is on the line they have no other choice but to foul, especially if the 3 is being defended and all they have ar drives that will be contested and most likely altered in someway. I highly doubt with JJ driving and fish switching to Peja w/ odom going in and trying to alter that shot they woulda had much of a shot. Let it not be JJ let it b Kidd, I highly doubt with Kobe running to Peja and Odom leaking inside to get Kidd their game would be as effective as it was. Main point Stay home on the shooters! Even if Odom was late he wouldn't be late enough for him not to be able to make it to tyson when Bynum leaked. You leave the inside open thats fine, but don't leave the perimiter open for a team that lives off that line!

all you just proposed were already tried by Portland.

and portland is a way more athletic team than the Lakers that can force teams to buy their scheme. the Blazers live by the drive and had around ~40 more PitP than Dallas in that matter.

like I said, those Dallas veterans are way to savvy to fall for the tactical decisions a user (you) is suggesting.
and it seems you still didn't watched the game analysis from Dallas vs Portland game 1 to 6 - otherwise you'd know that LA can't do anything about those non fouls

[Anklebreaker702]

Play defense and rebound is Phil Jacksons request of Bynum. Not mine. I simply reiterated it. Why would I look at pauls numbers when my specific comment was based on Bynums defense, that I posted to KB24_ILLMATIC that you chimed in on.

We can play this game any way you want it.

And drew recovering has nothing to do with later quickness. I said he got crossed over, which means the guy got around him. At that point later quickness was loss. He recovered, which means he turned around and hustled to the rim and blocked the shot from behind. Are you saying that CP33 cant get around Bynum if he wanted to? Are you reading what you are writing Bottom line is this. I made a post to KB24_ILLMATIC about being in Bynums defense camp and you posted some wack stats to try to prove your point. FAIL.

You have pulled this kind of stuff with other posters on this board. Your Bynum act is old and alot of people are tired of it. Alot of good posters dont post here anymore because of this stuff you pull. You've pulled this stuff with Sedale Threatt, and other posters as well. At least Sedale was smart enough to tell you to take your Bynum rants to someone else. Im the idiot that keeps answering your post You've single handly turned every Bynum comment Ive made into a negative one.

So now it turns personal. We also have posters on this board that don't post here anymore simply because of guys like you that can never see the light of day when it comes to being wrong or never being able to call a spade a spade. This is my last response to this stupidity. I never said CP3 couldn't get around Drew if he wanted to. I said go back & look at the tapes, on the switches he simply never did. When he tried it normally resulted in a blocked shot. LOOK AT THE TAPES. Now could he get past Drew? Only an idiot would say know in theory, i'm stating facts on what actually happened in that series.

Maybe somebody could post some footage from that series where it happened once or twice but for the most part it was jumpers over his outstretched arms. As far as Sedale, yeah we had our battles but even he changed his tune because he realized the tide had turned as far as him not posting here i don't give a sh*t i don't want to put him on blast but the reason why i stopped posting with him had nothing to do with our differences about Bynum & all to do with some South Cenrtal comments he made & that's as far as i'll take that 1 be he knows what time it is.

Many posters see your disdain & the fact that you have said many times LIFE'S NOT FAIR, which means you are biased in that area. Now suddenly you in the Bynum camp since when? In game 1 (his only bad game in 9 playoff games we've had) someone else stated bench Pau you quickly ran to bench Drew 1st! It's obvious. You couldn't even accept the fact that he was the 1st round MVP now suddenly you're in his camp?! Please!

I had honestly stopped responding to anything that had to do with Drew because too many people on this board disliked him. I even posed the question why do we want to get rid of him so bad on this board yet most other boards realize how vital he is to the team? No good answer was given so i stopped until recently.

Growing up me & my crew never stood for somebody getting wrongly picked on or bullied without you getting a visit from one of us & maybe that's just still in me i guess. I'll leave it alone though but you watch & see you will put your foot in your mouth soon enough because its obvious. I won't name names but trust me they will speak up for themselves & can't believe you pulled that weak card but i'm done.

We're still cool bro & you're still one of my favorite posters & we can still be on the same team because you didn't go below the belt on me, but i felt we could have it out 1 on 1 without it going to who thinks what, but i still got love for you as a Laker poster

[Anklebreaker702]

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[DEEP3CL]

OK @ iamworthy, I've seen that you and Anklebreaker have been trading shots back and forth. Both of you guys have valid points. But Big Game, I think you put yourself in the cross hairs with the one comment about this being, " Andrew Bynum first option/ Buss will look to save money on Bynums watch". Not quite sure how you meant that, but I'm guessing you're saying that if and when Drew is handed the keys to the chise that's the only time he'll be a first option.

And secondly that Buss will save money on his watch........which I know you know way better than to underestimate ODB. Even though we seen him actually pull back on the dough once before, but we've also saw that move almost cost him his star he choose.

Bottom line though is this, as far as this series.....we've gotten ourselves in trouble on our own and that's real talk.

I'll give props to the Mavs, they're sticking it to us. But I ask this are they stopping us with daunting defense or are we misfiring so bad we're handing it to them ?

Not going to try and be Yoda or Mr.Know It All, but I'll say this....offensively we're shooting ourselves in the ass by playing well by going through the middle then when it gets tight we go totally away from it. Nobody is saying Drew is our savior but the man has by far been our only dependable interior threat. Even Phil himself said recently that Drew was main interior threat.

When I said this board was divided on Drew and Pau, some claimed there was no such divide. But it's clear from the arguments you see on this board or at least from the comments you see. Some like Drew/ hate Drew, some like Pau/hate Pau.

But Big Game, I've seen your comments on Drew over this season and it seems to me you've established your own pecking order that being Kobe,Pau then maybe Drew. But this is undeniable, the man has played his way up the chain and has supplanted Pau as the main post option. But all you've done is defend Pau to no end when there is no way he can be defended when his play is sucking ass so badly.

We just can't relegate Drew just being a "rebounder and defender" when we're not getting jack squat from Pau. Personally I'm on the fence about Pau and his future here, because it's obvious we gotta do something.

I've seen a lot of comments by a lot of posters saying the Lakers won't be good for a long time and what ever else is being thrown out there, fact of the matter is this.....you think ODB set up the TWC deal for nothing ? Hell no, but I think ODB doesn't want to go back to 05,06,07. We'll recover after Kobe is gone, but it's no need to project that far because it's kinda irrelevant really.


Closing this....we need Drew and we need Pau to find himself and give something before our clock strikes midnight. You know as well as I know these boards all over RGM will go berserk once we're done. I still got some faith, we needed last night's game but we still would've needed Game 4. If we had won last night the pressure would've been on us even more. But truth be told everything is on Dallas now, they're the one's who have to try to close us out. If we can get Game 4, Game 5 is still a pressure game for Dallas.

[SLiCK_TALKA_19]

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If you read my whole post your question will be answered. They needed to go back into the middle, when the game is on the line they have no other choice but to foul, especially if the 3 is being defended and all they have ar drives that will be contested and most likely altered in someway. I highly doubt with JJ driving and fish switching to Peja w/ odom going in and trying to alter that shot they woulda had much of a shot. Let it not be JJ let it b Kidd, I highly doubt with Kobe running to Peja and Odom leaking inside to get Kidd their game would be as effective as it was. Main point Stay home on the shooters! Even if Odom was late he wouldn't be late enough for him not to be able to make it to tyson when Bynum leaked. You leave the inside open thats fine, but don't leave the perimiter open for a team that lives off that line!

all you just proposed were already tried by Portland.

and portland is a way more athletic team than the Lakers that can force teams to buy their scheme. the Blazers live by the drive and had around ~40 more PitP than Dallas in that matter.

like I said, those Dallas veterans are way to savvy to fall for the tactical decisions a user (you) is suggesting.
and it seems you still didn't watched the game analysis from Dallas vs Portland game 1 to 6 - otherwise you'd know that LA can't do anything about those non fouls

Portland scored inside mostly because of their guards and gerald Wallace Penetrating, they have no real inside threat except for aldridge and I don't like him much. We have 2 very real inside threats and a whole buncha guys that can work inside and post right off the block. That is the difference between us and portland. We have presence inside Portland didn't have much. If we stay home outside our inside presence will be able to handle Dallas. At the very least it will force them to take shots that are atleast contested.

[iamworthy]

Play defense and rebound is Phil Jacksons request of Bynum. Not mine. I simply reiterated it. Why would I look at pauls numbers when my specific comment was based on Bynums defense, that I posted to KB24_ILLMATIC that you chimed in on.

We can play this game any way you want it.

And drew recovering has nothing to do with later quickness. I said he got crossed over, which means the guy got around him. At that point later quickness was loss. He recovered, which means he turned around and hustled to the rim and blocked the shot from behind. Are you saying that CP33 cant get around Bynum if he wanted to? Are you reading what you are writing Bottom line is this. I made a post to KB24_ILLMATIC about being in Bynums defense camp and you posted some wack stats to try to prove your point. FAIL.

You have pulled this kind of stuff with other posters on this board. Your Bynum act is old and alot of people are tired of it. Alot of good posters dont post here anymore because of this stuff you pull. You've pulled this stuff with Sedale Threatt, and other posters as well. At least Sedale was smart enough to tell you to take your Bynum rants to someone else. Im the idiot that keeps answering your post You've single handly turned every Bynum comment Ive made into a negative one.

So now it turns personal. We also have posters on this board that don't post here anymore simply because of guys like you that can never see the light of day when it comes to being wrong or never being able to call a spade a spade. This is my last response to this stupidity. I never said CP3 couldn't get around Drew if he wanted to. I said go back & look at the tapes, on the switches he simply never did. When he tried it normally resulted in a blocked shot. LOOK AT THE TAPES. Now could he get past Drew? Only an idiot would say know in theory, i'm stating facts on what actually happened in that series.

Maybe somebody could post some footage from that series where it happened once or twice but for the most part it was jumpers over his outstretched arms. As far as Sedale, yeah we had our battles but even he changed his tune because he realized the tide had turned as far as him not posting here i don't give a sh*t i don't want to put him on blast but the reason why i stopped posting with him had nothing to do with our differences about Bynum & all to do with some South Cenrtal comments he made & that's as far as i'll take that 1 be he knows what time it is.

Many posters see your disdain & the fact that you have said many times LIFE'S NOT FAIR, which means you are biased in that area. Now suddenly you in the Bynum camp since when? In game 1 (his only bad game in 9 playoff games we've had) someone else stated bench Pau you quickly ran to bench Drew 1st! It's obvious. You couldn't even accept the fact that he was the 1st round MVP now suddenly you're in his camp?! Please!

I had honestly stopped responding to anything that had to do with Drew because too many people on this board disliked him. I even posed the question why do we want to get rid of him so bad on this board yet most other boards realize how vital he is to the team? No good answer was given so i stopped until recently.

Growing up me & my crew never stood for somebody getting wrongly picked on or bullied without you getting a visit from one of us & maybe that's just still in me i guess. I'll leave it alone though but you watch & see you will put your foot in your mouth soon enough because its obvious. I won't name names but trust me they will speak up for themselves & can't believe you pulled that weak card but i'm done.

We're still cool bro & you're still one of my favorite posters & we can still be on the same team because you didn't go below the belt on me, but i felt we could have it out 1 on 1 without it going to who thinks what, but i still got love for you as a Laker poster

The whole bench Bynum was blown way out of proportion imo. The person that said bench pau gasol openly admitted to not watching the game, and I believed that game gasol had a better game than drew. Then the next day in the paper Bynum openly admitted to not bringing it. Not sure how that its on me.

As far as my disdain for Drew, I really dont see it. When he does something good i am openly posting props for him, and adding him to my GameThreads. I call him on the stuff I see. Whats funny is a group of my friends and I were talking about Bynums after all-star game surge and how awesome it was. Numbers aside, just the pure energy and focus he had and we all would just laugh because if he has the ability to do that again not looking at numbers then what the hell was he doing the first part of the year. Some of my family members are bynum homers so I would say to them. you guys were on his nuts before this surge, and your still on him after the surge. How does that make sense. its two total different players. I told them they just settled for anything bynum did on the court and rooted blindly. You act like when he does something good im on the message board throwing salt or something.

The funny thing was I added Bynum to my list of people I rarely talk about because it causes to many problems. emotions run high during the playoffs so Im not surprised things got alittle crazy around here.

Its all good though. In the end Im sure we both really just want to win.

[iamworthy]

OK @ iamworthy, I've seen that you and Anklebreaker have been trading shots back and forth. Both of you guys have valid points. But Big Game, I think you put yourself in the cross hairs with the one comment about this being, " Andrew Bynum first option/ Buss will look to save money on Bynums watch". Not quite sure how you meant that, but I'm guessing you're saying that if and when Drew is handed the keys to the chise that's the only time he'll be a first option.

And secondly that Buss will save money on his watch........which I know you know way better than to underestimate ODB. Even though we seen him actually pull back on the dough once before, but we've also saw that move almost cost him his star he choose.

Bottom line though is this, as far as this series.....we've gotten ourselves in trouble on our own and that's real talk.

I'll give props to the Mavs, they're sticking it to us. But I ask this are they stopping us with daunting defense or are we misfiring so bad we're handing it to them ?

Not going to try and be Yoda or Mr.Know It All, but I'll say this....offensively we're shooting ourselves in the ass by playing well by going through the middle then when it gets tight we go totally away from it. Nobody is saying Drew is our savior but the man has by far been our only dependable interior threat. Even Phil himself said recently that Drew was main interior threat.

When I said this board was divided on Drew and Pau, some claimed there was no such divide. But it's clear from the arguments you see on this board or at least from the comments you see. Some like Drew/ hate Drew, some like Pau/hate Pau.

But Big Game, I've seen your comments on Drew over this season and it seems to me you've established your own pecking order that being Kobe,Pau then maybe Drew. But this is undeniable, the man has played his way up the chain and has supplanted Pau as the main post option. But all you've done is defend Pau to no end when there is no way he can be defended when his play is sucking ass so badly.

We just can't relegate Drew just being a "rebounder and defender" when we're not getting jack squat from Pau. Personally I'm on the fence about Pau and his future here, because it's obvious we gotta do something.

I've seen a lot of comments by a lot of posters saying the Lakers won't be good for a long time and what ever else is being thrown out there, fact of the matter is this.....you think ODB set up the TWC deal for nothing ? Hell no, but I think ODB doesn't want to go back to 05,06,07. We'll recover after Kobe is gone, but it's no need to project that far because it's kinda irrelevant really.


Closing this....we need Drew and we need Pau to find himself and give something before our clock strikes midnight. You know as well as I know these boards all over RGM will go berserk once we're done. I still got some faith, we needed last night's game but we still would've needed Game 4. If we had won last night the pressure would've been on us even more. But truth be told everything is on Dallas now, they're the one's who have to try to close us out. If we can get Game 4, Game 5 is still a pressure game for Dallas.

Deep, I didnt go back and check because Im pretty sure I said that the whole Drew 1st option/Buss saving money was not going to be Drews fault. What I meant was Whoever the next franchise player was ( I said drew because thats the most logical) that Buss was going to coast. It wasnt meant to diss Drew. If Dwight howard was our next franchise player then I would say Dwight. Sooner or later Buss is going to have to get some get back. its well documented that Buss is not the riches owner out there. With a good 3-4 down years he can really make some good money if he doesnt spend it all on payroll. Thats all I was saying. In no way was I saying he's going to coast because its drew. Truth be told I hope drew pulls a kobe and forces his hand if he trys to coast.

My Pecking order is Kobe, pau then drew. But thats shouldnt be rocket science. its Phil Jacksons pecking order also. Its going to take more than a handful of games to change that. Has Gasol sucked, absolutely. my defensive pecking order is Drew 1st. Maybe I need to go back and see where I defended Gasol to no end here in the playoffs. Also, its not me relegating Bynum to anything, its phil jackson. Bynum himself said he wasnt worried about scoring. Im not making this stuff up as I go. It actually comes from somewhere

This is what I posted last night in the GT:

Time for the lakers to go to work. Lets feed the young fella down low and tell gasol to pound the boards. Bynum deserves a shot to take command of the 2nd option on this team. Go Lakers!!!

[Dr Aki]

man im still raging about yesterday

[Anklebreaker702]

Play defense and rebound is Phil Jacksons request of Bynum. Not mine. I simply reiterated it. Why would I look at pauls numbers when my specific comment was based on Bynums defense, that I posted to KB24_ILLMATIC that you chimed in on.

We can play this game any way you want it.

And drew recovering has nothing to do with later quickness. I said he got crossed over, which means the guy got around him. At that point later quickness was loss. He recovered, which means he turned around and hustled to the rim and blocked the shot from behind. Are you saying that CP33 cant get around Bynum if he wanted to? Are you reading what you are writing Bottom line is this. I made a post to KB24_ILLMATIC about being in Bynums defense camp and you posted some wack stats to try to prove your point. FAIL.

You have pulled this kind of stuff with other posters on this board. Your Bynum act is old and alot of people are tired of it. Alot of good posters dont post here anymore because of this stuff you pull. You've pulled this stuff with Sedale Threatt, and other posters as well. At least Sedale was smart enough to tell you to take your Bynum rants to someone else. Im the idiot that keeps answering your post You've single handly turned every Bynum comment Ive made into a negative one.

So now it turns personal. We also have posters on this board that don't post here anymore simply because of guys like you that can never see the light of day when it comes to being wrong or never being able to call a spade a spade. This is my last response to this stupidity. I never said CP3 couldn't get around Drew if he wanted to. I said go back & look at the tapes, on the switches he simply never did. When he tried it normally resulted in a blocked shot. LOOK AT THE TAPES. Now could he get past Drew? Only an idiot would say know in theory, i'm stating facts on what actually happened in that series.

Maybe somebody could post some footage from that series where it happened once or twice but for the most part it was jumpers over his outstretched arms. As far as Sedale, yeah we had our battles but even he changed his tune because he realized the tide had turned as far as him not posting here i don't give a sh*t i don't want to put him on blast but the reason why i stopped posting with him had nothing to do with our differences about Bynum & all to do with some South Cenrtal comments he made & that's as far as i'll take that 1 be he knows what time it is.

Many posters see your disdain & the fact that you have said many times LIFE'S NOT FAIR, which means you are biased in that area. Now suddenly you in the Bynum camp since when? In game 1 (his only bad game in 9 playoff games we've had) someone else stated bench Pau you quickly ran to bench Drew 1st! It's obvious. You couldn't even accept the fact that he was the 1st round MVP now suddenly you're in his camp?! Please!

I had honestly stopped responding to anything that had to do with Drew because too many people on this board disliked him. I even posed the question why do we want to get rid of him so bad on this board yet most other boards realize how vital he is to the team? No good answer was given so i stopped until recently.

Growing up me & my crew never stood for somebody getting wrongly picked on or bullied without you getting a visit from one of us & maybe that's just still in me i guess. I'll leave it alone though but you watch & see you will put your foot in your mouth soon enough because its obvious. I won't name names but trust me they will speak up for themselves & can't believe you pulled that weak card but i'm done.

We're still cool bro & you're still one of my favorite posters & we can still be on the same team because you didn't go below the belt on me, but i felt we could have it out 1 on 1 without it going to who thinks what, but i still got love for you as a Laker poster

The whole bench Bynum was blown way out of proportion imo. The person that said bench pau gasol openly admitted to not watching the game, and I believed that game gasol had a better game than drew. Then the next day in the paper Bynum openly admitted to not bringing it. Not sure how that its on me.

As far as my disdain for Drew, I really dont see it. When he does something good i am openly posting props for him, and adding him to my GameThreads. I call him on the stuff I see. Whats funny is a group of my friends and I were talking about Bynums after all-star game surge and how awesome it was. Numbers aside, just the pure energy and focus he had and we all would just laugh because if he has the ability to do that again not looking at numbers then what the hell was he doing the first part of the year. Some of my family members are bynum homers so I would say to them. you guys were on his nuts before this surge, and your still on him after the surge. How does that make sense. its two total different players. I told them they just settled for anything bynum did on the court and rooted blindly. You act like when he does something good im on the message board throwing salt or something.

The funny thing was I added Bynum to my list of people I rarely talk about because it causes to many problems. emotions run high during the playoffs so Im not surprised things got alittle crazy around here.

Its all good though. In the end Im sure we both really just want to win.

Truthfully it seems like disdain, if not you do seemingly try to be little his best efforts. I really don't see how you feel the bench Drew was blown out of portion? Yes Pau did have a better game but it was Drew's 1st & only bad game of the playoffs. Now be truthful with yourself, I know a loss is a loss but had Drew been benched we'd been smoked every game.

Most people that ride somebody never see it. They have to really show out to get recognition from that person which is what Drew has had to do. Most guys who were pro Pau have all but disappeared just as fake posters do once we're not on top anymore.

Main thing is Drew is balling & let's be happy with that & make history by winning these next 4 regardless of who gets us there, let's just get there.

[HeatRing2012]

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If you read my whole post your question will be answered. They needed to go back into the middle, when the game is on the line they have no other choice but to foul, especially if the 3 is being defended and all they have ar drives that will be contested and most likely altered in someway. I highly doubt with JJ driving and fish switching to Peja w/ odom going in and trying to alter that shot they woulda had much of a shot. Let it not be JJ let it b Kidd, I highly doubt with Kobe running to Peja and Odom leaking inside to get Kidd their game would be as effective as it was. Main point Stay home on the shooters! Even if Odom was late he wouldn't be late enough for him not to be able to make it to tyson when Bynum leaked. You leave the inside open thats fine, but don't leave the perimiter open for a team that lives off that line!

all you just proposed were already tried by Portland.

and portland is a way more athletic team than the Lakers that can force teams to buy their scheme. the Blazers live by the drive and had around ~40 more PitP than Dallas in that matter.

like I said, those Dallas veterans are way to savvy to fall for the tactical decisions a user (you) is suggesting.
and it seems you still didn't watched the game analysis from Dallas vs Portland game 1 to 6 - otherwise you'd know that LA can't do anything about those non fouls

Portland scored inside mostly because of their guards and gerald Wallace Penetrating, they have no real inside threat except for aldridge and I don't like him much. We have 2 very real inside threats and a whole buncha guys that can work inside and post right off the block. That is the difference between us and portland. We have presence inside Portland didn't have much. If we stay home outside our inside presence will be able to handle Dallas. At the very least it will force them to take shots that are atleast contested.

sorry - it seems you STILL haven't watched the Portland series.
their inside presence was/is LaMarcus "22 points in the paint" Aldridge.
plus Wallace only scored withing 6 feet.

I'm sorry, you can praise your "REAL" (lol!) inside threats as much as you want but in reality a LMA produces more points in the paint than either Drew, Gasol or Odom by a big margin (go look it up: hoopdata)
next thing: Gerald Wallace has more finishes at the rim (in the paint) than Andrew Bynum, Gasol or Odom too!
so we have 2 high class inside presences right there - both are better in that department than the Lakers bigs.
other than that they have big SGs in Roy and Matthews who actually posted Kidd up several times, unlike Kobe. or they have massive PGs like Miller who had his thing with the thin Barea or Terry.
everytime they scored, it was inside. they ultimately lost because they have no good jumpshot and relied on attacking the paint all game long.

sorry my friend - please don't spread garbage if you don't even watch the games.
It's a fact that Portland tried the exact same thing you proposed and those guys have equal weapons as the Lakers. there is a reason a HoF coach with 11 rings isn't buying your propose - because he simple know it won't work because he's seen it in Portland.

but who am I? maybe you really have more clue that Phil JackZen

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