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Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#341 » by 5DOM » Sun May 8, 2011 3:57 am

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5DOM wrote:Sure his rebounding was fine at the Hoops Summit game, but that was just one game (and under All Star setting). He was also pretty good statistically against U18 Euros and US JV teams, but they are the farthest things from NBA rebounders who are actually going to be longer and/or more athletic than Kanter.


Everything I have read about Kanter (from those that have seen him play) suggests that he goes after the ball hard. A guy that fights for the ball with his size, mobility & strength is going to be a good rebounder.

Reggie Evans is shorter & less athletic than most of the bigs he plays against. He seems to have no problem being the leading rebounder most games. Same could be said about Love.

On the flip side, Bargnani & POB, are more athletic & bigger than a lot of bigs they play against, but they somehow lose the battle most nights.

Rebounding is a mindset. All of the articles written about Kanter state that he has that mindset.


At the same, he always went up against nobodies who were much shorter, less athletic and/or weaker than him, and has never been challenged. I'm not saying he'll be bad or that he is bad - he probably isn't, but there are more reasons to doubt than be convinced at this point where he's done nothing of note for last couple of years. When he enters the NBA, a lot of times he's going to be shorter, more vertically challenged and perhaps even slower than the opposing C, which is a complete opposite of the U18 Euros and American HS JV players he faced. Not sure how he'll adapt. Maybe his game will translate perfectly. Who knows.
Btw Koufos averaged similar # of rebounds and points in the U18 Euro tourney too.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#342 » by nahom1319 » Sun May 8, 2011 4:23 am

I'm not at all worried about his rebounding ability. He has the body and given the outflowing of love for his BBIQ (which i hope lives up to the hype) rebounding shouldn't be an issue..... as for his defence I'm more curious (about how well he does) then I am worried.


just a side note this board makes him out to be GOAT in terms of IQ, I hope you guys appreciate the doubt being cast as the last couple of pages on the draft made him out to be some sort of deity.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#343 » by mihaic » Sun May 8, 2011 4:24 am

Most people agree with the strategy of drafting BPA especially in the early draft spots (except maybe if there are major injury concerns). However as seen here most people disagree over WHO IS the BPA unless there is a clearcut winer (and even then...)
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#344 » by mihaic » Sun May 8, 2011 4:25 am

When is the lottery conducted? Is it around now?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#345 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sun May 8, 2011 4:33 am

AB_7 wrote:When is the lottery conducted? Is it around now?

May 17th
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#346 » by nahom1319 » Sun May 8, 2011 4:33 am

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#347 » by mihaic » Sun May 8, 2011 4:40 am

Thx, 10 days to go. I hope we move up from 2rd.

All in all I hope we draft a good player. I also hope that when we draft the BPA is at PG, SF or C. I don't mind keeping DD and ED
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#348 » by Xixak » Sun May 8, 2011 12:09 pm

You can't improve a teams defense by just adding a defensive minded player. You need a complete change to the system and culture of a team in order to play d. Look at ray Allen and Paul pierce, neither one of those guys was a good defender until they became a part of that defensive culture in Boston. The raptors are definitely athletic enough to be a great defensive team, we just need a coaching change, to a guy who will emphasize that side of the game.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#349 » by Reignman » Sun May 8, 2011 12:22 pm

Last summer I said this team really needs to focus on acquiring good young two-way talent via the draft. That's why I like Kanter, he falls into that group if his skills translate.

Now other might feel that other players fall into that category and I get it. Unfortunately we're working with a limited amount of information on so many of these prospects.

Irving only played 11 games
D Will never played SF in college
Kanter hasn't played competitively in over a year
Bismack came out of nowwhere and put up decent stats against ACB back ups in limited mins
J Val is raw but is now playing the best of the Euroleague
Kember is junior and undersized
Knight is extremely raw as a PG

These are the reasons why we can't come to a consensus and I'm hoping the workouts shed more light.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#350 » by nahom1319 » Sun May 8, 2011 12:45 pm

Reignman wrote:Last summer I said this team really needs to focus on acquiring good young two-way talent via the draft. That's why I like Kanter, he falls into that group if his skills translate.

Now other might feel that other players fall into that category and I get it. Unfortunately we're working with a limited amount of information on so many of these prospects.

Irving only played 11 games
D Will never played SF in college
Kanter hasn't played competitively in over a year
Bismack came out of nowwhere and put up decent stats against ACB back ups in limited mins
J Val is raw but is now playing the best of the Euroleague
Kember is junior and undersized
Knight is extremely raw as a PG

These are the reasons why we can't come to a consensus and I'm hoping the workouts shed more light.

I agree with you here reignman each player has something to prove, which is why the combine and workouts will be key. The poster above you..... :roll:

Boston's defensive strength lies in their pg and defensive bigs. Garnett is great help defender, but more importantly he is their anchor. You take either piece away and their defences takes a bigger blow then losing ray allen or paul pierce (or both).

As for the prospects coming in, sure they play one side now, however they can develop on the other. With the way we have been able to develop offensive talent, I just think its more believable to assume Bismack can become a decent scorer, then Kanter can become (if he isn't already) a good defender, given our coaching staff.

btw when was the last time we had a couple of good defenders in our rotation? Would it have been the the seasons we made the playoff :wink:
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#351 » by Doctorb23 » Sun May 8, 2011 4:04 pm

I worry about how little some of these prospects have played. irving 11 games. Kanter out all year.

I would feel more comfortable with Williams if we drafted now, or even Walker. I wonder if it would be possible to trade down 1 or 2 spots if we win the lottery?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#352 » by fredericklove » Sun May 8, 2011 4:44 pm

Doctorb23 wrote:I worry about how little some of these prospects have played. irving 11 games. Kanter out all year.

I would feel more comfortable with Williams if we drafted now, or even Walker. I wonder if it would be possible to trade down 1 or 2 spots if we win the lottery?


Trade down our 1st pick it's definitely possible, but only the delusional would do that.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#353 » by Dr Positivity » Sun May 8, 2011 6:05 pm

Xixak wrote:You can't improve a teams defense by just adding a defensive minded player. You need a complete change to the system and culture of a team in order to play d. Look at ray Allen and Paul pierce, neither one of those guys was a good defender until they became a part of that defensive culture in Boston. The raptors are definitely athletic enough to be a great defensive team, we just need a coaching change, to a guy who will emphasize that side of the game.


Agreed. This is why I think a guy like Knight would help our defense going forward more than people are giving him credit for. Not only should he be a good defender, but he seems like he'll have a great mental impact on teammates defensive effort. If Bargnani goes and Knight, Derozan, Davis, Amir take over - defensive effort will be there
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#354 » by RaptorReloaded » Sun May 8, 2011 6:05 pm

Didn't really know where to post this but I thought I'd share this pretty good Brandon Knight mix.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9x8alen3I[/youtube]
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#355 » by Silk Wilkes » Sun May 8, 2011 6:39 pm

RaptorReloaded wrote:Didn't really know where to post this but I thought I'd share this pretty good Brandon Knight mix.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9x8alen3I[/youtube]


Epic mix. I'm so torn on BK. I wouldn't be as happy as I could be if we picked him, but I can't say I'd be mad.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#356 » by Truthrising » Sun May 8, 2011 7:24 pm

I'd rank Knight as our 5th or lower pick the guy. He's not a pure pointguard, as evidence he's ranked near the bottom of all point guards in top 100 rankings in pure point guard ratings and also close to the bottom in assist-turnover ratio, he doesn't show any great court vision from what i've seen so far from him and it seems like he tries to force the issue too much.

He's also known not to show any great court leadership, I can see him being a one dimensional scorer much like Derozan but not one of the elite PG's like D.Rose or CP3 etc.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#357 » by RaptorReloaded » Sun May 8, 2011 8:18 pm

I have no problem with taking Biyombo, Kanter, Knight or Walker with any of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th picks. Actually I wouldn't take Biyombo or Walker with the 3rd but I would the 4th.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#358 » by Kaizen » Mon May 9, 2011 12:18 am

Cory Joseph is staying in the draft. I am stunned.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#359 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Mon May 9, 2011 12:26 am

CZAR85 wrote:Cory Joseph is staying in the draft. I am stunned.


I heard he had great workouts in New Jersey. So, I'm sure he got the feedback he was looking for.

I like Joseph. He's a very good shooter, and solid defender. I don't know about his PG skills though. He seems like another one of those guys who would look good next to a ball dominant wing, like a Tyreke Evans, or a good post player.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#360 » by bboyskinnylegs » Mon May 9, 2011 12:26 am

^^ I think someone will grab him with a mid-1st. I don't think he's ready for the league just yet (another year as the primary ballhandler would have been better for him), but his stock likely wouldn't be higher in next year's stacked draft, so maybe he felt like he could maximize his chances at going higher this year with everyone pulling out. It's the same thing with Selby as well, although CoJo looked decent.

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