If the Kings get the 1st pick - KI vs. DW

[dozencousins]

I have to say this though I know it will be very unpopular .<BR itxtNodeId="1060"><BR itxtNodeId="1059">I will start off by saying that when healthy Tyreke is still our best player for now .<BR itxtNodeId="1058">That said I have had & still have plantier fracitis issues for years ( I am sure I spelled that wrong but I am to lazy to spell check it LOL ) anyways having it is beyond painful & as an athlete or working a job going back & forth alot at a fast pace only makes it worse ! So all that said from 1st hand experience I would have to say that if we were able to get a trade trade for Tyreke then we should do it I can guarantee all of you 1 thing if he doesnt have his feet problems healed completely this will never go away & be a life long problem . Likely he will be injured alot & his career will be cut short .<BR itxtNodeId="1057">So if we can swap Tyreke in a deal for CP3 in a deal for D.Howard or were we can get 2 1st round picks plus etc. We must do it IMO .<BR itxtNodeId="1056"><BR itxtNodeId="1055">How all that I mentioned about Tyreke applies is that alot of you want a player other than a point guard let me tell you us getting a point guard via the draft or a bigtime one via trade is crucial # should be our #1 priority aside from resigning Thorton . Beno is not our longterm pointguard , Tyreke is not guaranteed & Jeter is a solid back up but not our future either <BR itxtNodeId="1054">Irving , Walker or Knight is a must without a doubt .<BR itxtNodeId="1053"><BR itxtNodeId="1052">Everyone to be clear dont get me wrong I love TYREKE being a KING but if his feet problems are as bad as it seems then I am all for trading him in the right deal . Keep in mind the KINGS may say that he has the problem but may not disclose just how bad as it is not in their best interest to say just how bad incase of a trade or if they intend on him being a KING in game situations as it might affect how players may or may not double team a key guy etc. as little details can affect the outcome of a game .<BR itxtNodeId="1051"><BR itxtNodeId="1050">Williams is not the best choice a point guard is . I sincerely hope REKE is & or gets healthy fast but if not get a great deal & trade him before things get worse & then you get no value for him at all .

<BR itxtNodeId="1049">Do you have any sources to verify your claims about Plantar Fasciitis?

1ST off If you read my post you will see that I say that I myself has the condition so technically I am my own source from experience . It is an extremelly painful constant condition it does not just go away .

[KF10]

Evans is a basketball player. He could play SF just as well as Andre IMO. Mindset changes a little bit but he could be our playmaking, athletic three and we keep the pick and capspace. They are same size, skillset similar type players. You argued about perimeter shooting earlier so how do you justify trading for Andre? Irving, Thornton and Evans shoots infinitely better than Reke, Thornton and Iggy.

Evans never played big minutes at the SF before! How can you say he can play the SF as well as Iggy?? The thing about Iggy is his stellar defense at multiple spots, especially at the SF position. Evans is a good defender at the 1-2 positions but the 3? We really haven't seen much of Evans matching up with SFs on a regular basis to say.

Iggy is not that bad of a shooter. Especially at the 3. This is what I wrote about this matter somewhere else:

Iggy has a good stroke at 3 when his legs are set. When you look at spot up 3 opportunities for Iggy, he is converting @ 39.3%. Most of the 3s he’s taking are actually pretty solid shots. Out of his total 3 attempts, 59.3% of all of his threes were spot up variations. That’s the majority of 3s he is taking. Which is very, very good considering the fact that the Kings relish those type of 3s from players. The reason why his 3PT% is @ 32.5% for the season is that the remaining 40.7% of his total 3 attempts are “bad shots”. Mostly coming from isos, transition and pick n roll situations. Which, Iggy is combined @ 22.5% conversion rate at those situations. I would like to think that, here in Sacramento, Iggy makes a concerted effort to become the “defensive, point forward” type of player that excels at scoring efficiently and effectively.

And overall, Iggy is the better shooter than Evans at this point. Iggy is not that bad of a mid range shooter, I think it tends to get overstated how poor of shooter Iggy is. Look at his percentages at 16-23 feet for the past 5 seasons:

06-07: 36%
07-08: 40%
08-09: 36%
09-10: 39%
10-11: 37%

That's 37.8% at that range over the past 5 seasons. That's really, really solid. Especially for a player that's considered a "bad shooter". The main problem for him is that he has the tendency to take "stupid shots". Which is a legit concern. I'm not going to argue that but I think here in Sacramento, where his role is redefined, he will pick his spots better and becoming a much more effective, efficient offensive player.

[Sacramento_King]

Evans never played big minutes at the SF before! How can you say he can play the SF as well as Iggy?? The thing about Iggy is his stellar defense at multiple spots, especially at the SF position. Evans is a good defender at the 1-2 positions but the 3? We really haven't seen much of Evans matching up with SFs on a regular basis to say.

True Reke hasn't played extended minutes at the three but imo he can play because of his athleticism and strength. Iggy has the same height limitations you were referring to since they are the same size. Andre may be stronger but I don't think by much. I just don't see why Evans couldn't do it is all. I would just take Irving especially considering that Irving is the better player imo. You take the best player, put the best players on the court and see what works especially since I don't think D Williams can play the three in the NBA.

Iggy has a good stroke at 3 when his legs are set. When you look at spot up 3 opportunities for Iggy, he is converting @ 39.3%. Most of the 3s he’s taking are actually pretty solid shots. Out of his total 3 attempts, 59.3% of all of his threes were spot up variations. That’s the majority of 3s he is taking. Which is very, very good considering the fact that the Kings relish those type of 3s from players. The reason why his 3PT% is @ 32.5% for the season is that the remaining 40.7% of his total 3 attempts are “bad shots”. Mostly coming from isos, transition and pick n roll situations. Which, Iggy is combined @ 22.5% conversion rate at those situations. I would like to think that, here in Sacramento, Iggy makes a concerted effort to become the “defensive, point forward” type of player that excels at scoring efficiently and effectively.

And overall, Iggy is the better shooter than Evans at this point. Iggy is not that bad of a mid range shooter, I think it tends to get overstated how poor of shooter Iggy is. Look at his percentages at 16-23 feet for the past 5 seasons:

06-07: 36%
07-08: 40%
08-09: 36%
09-10: 39%
10-11: 37%

That's 37.8% at that range over the past 5 seasons. That's really, really solid. Especially for a player that's considered a "bad shooter". The main problem for him is that he has the tendency to take "stupid shots". Which is a legit concern. I'm not going to argue that but I think here in Sacramento, where his role is redefined, he will pick his spots better and becoming a much more effective, efficient offensive player.

I just don't see how you think Reke, Thornton and Andre is a better shooting team than Kyrie, Thornton and Evans is all. Like I said, I would take Irving and run Thornton and Evans with him and adjust depending on flow and matchup.

[KF10]

I think there is misunderstanding Sacramento_King. To clarify, I was talking about trading the #5 pick. Not the #1 pick. Obviously, we keep the pick and choose Irving and we can sort everything else later. On the other hand, if we get the #5 pick, I'm open to trade it. That's is why a guy like Iggy is maybe ideal for us. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Sacramento_King]

I think there is misunderstanding Sacramento_King. To clarify, I was talking about trading the #5 pick. Not the #1 pick. Obviously, we keep the pick and choose Irving and we can sort everything else later. On the other hand, if we get the #5 pick, I'm open to trade it. That's is why a guy like Iggy is maybe ideal for us. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I hear ya. It's like we have five arguments going on in this thread. At least we are talking about how to improve the Sacramento Kings and not the Royals.

[5th pick sucks]

Derrick Williams and it's not close. We obviously need a SF and he could be that guy. At PG we have Evans and so that's decent enough. Althigh if we get the second pick and Irving I would be ight with that.... Sign Nene and Chandler

Irving - Beno
Evans - Thorton
Chandler - Garcia
Cousins - Thompson
Nene - Dalembert - Whiteside