Kobe can no longer be THAT GUY

daboywonder2007 · Post #1 » by **daboywonder2007** » Mon May 9, 2011 5:51 pm

I don't care what tKobe can no longer be THAT GUY. . im just not sure his ego will allow him to pass the torch. I think a guy like bynum just has to take the lead role. Kobe has to learn how to play off bynum, dwight howard or whoever the new LEAD GUY IS. Not them playing off Kobe. Kobe has to become the secondary guy. He cannot cannot lead you to a championship anymore.
Just because he is still playing at a top level doesn't mean he cant pass the torch. David robinson(32 years old) was playing at a top level b4 duncan came. Shaquille o'neal (32 years old) was playing at a high level before he came to miami and let D-wade be THAT GUY. Kobe needs to pass the torch and let bynum or howard or cp3(if either comes) be THAT GUY.

madmaxmedia · Post #2 » by **madmaxmedia** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:10 pm

Well, I was expecting him to either shoot the team to a win or loss in Game 4 (not because of ego but because the Lakers were in that much of a bind), but he didn't take that many shots. And he seemed to do a pretty good job balancing things in the Olympics. So I think he can play fine with someone like Dwight Howard.

It might be a different story if he was paired with Dwayne Wade on the same team, but there's no reason why you would do that anyway.

Post #3 » by **TyCobb** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:15 pm

Kobe needs to be the starting point guard next season.

Post #4 » by **Slava** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:17 pm

Howard cannot generate his offense on his own, CP3 is still not better than Kobe. Kobe is fine, he could be getting his share pretty well if he wanted to against NO and Dallas. Having a powerful finisher like Howard would be great for us though, no more weak stuff at the rim, atleast he can guarantee that.

What we do need is good shooters and some good athletic defenders and we'll be fine with Kobe for another 2 seasons at the least.

Kalidogg24 · Post #5 » by **Kalidogg24** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:20 pm

I think he will come back more dangerous than these 2 previous seasons.

Yeah sure he got a ton mileage and will be 33 years old next season with all these nagging injuries.
One thing he has good going this summer heading into the 2012 season is a 5 month break.
Something he hasn't had in 4 years.

If there's one player in the NBA who makes the impossible, possible it's definitely Kobe. Let the media and the haters talk their trash about the end of Kobe.
It's only gonna ignite him even more.

Post #6 » by **Slava** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:21 pm

One positive thing might be that he can get all his surgeries done asap.

Edrees · Post #7 » by **Edrees** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:23 pm

Kobe has had an amazing playoffs IMO. Kobe can't be the Michael Jordan of the Lakers, but he is still good enough to be the #1 option.

Magic32fan · Post #8 » by **Magic32fan** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:25 pm

Kobe will have to be the second or third fiddle next year. I don't think he will like it, but he's has proven he doesn't deserve to be the number one option anymore. It requires a younger player more athletic player to do this.

kenny · Post #9 » by **kenny** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:27 pm

really? last night kobe looked like the kobe of old.. i think this is what happened... kobe came out to play last night he was bringing it in the first quarter almost matching the mavericks point for point at the start... as the game went on it was obvious kobes teammates didnt come to play.. it looked like kobe was ready to carry the team offensively as long as they played some defence for him.... as the game went on kobe realized he was the only one who came to play and said **** this and just gave up since the rest of his team decided they werent gonna show up.. even in the third quarter kobe was playing amazing.. everytime he got double teamed he made a good pass to either barnes blake artest or fisher wide open for 3 and they kept missing.. you cant win a game when ur best player is being double teamed and your other players cant even hit open shots for you.. kobe can and still is that guy for atleast another 2 seasons.... he won the all star game mvp this year.. im pretty sure he didnt forget how to play.. just needs some better talent around him now that other teams are even stronger

ALL HAIL · Post #10 » by **ALL HAIL** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:30 pm

Kobe is still a first option people.

He just needs to play more like a SF with his back to the basket ... his FG% might actually approach 50% this way.

Kobe's footwork in the post is precision. That's where he belongs at this stage of his career. Period.

Post #11 » by **Kilroy** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:32 pm

Kobe needs to get his hand fixed if possible so he doesn't have to wear that damn brace...
His abillity to hold onto the ball has suffered greatly from that and his outside shooting has suffered as well.

I hope he takes the extra time from the lockouts to explore surgical options for all his ailments...

I think if he's able to improve a bit physically, I think he'll be able to be that guy again at least in spot minutes...

I personally think he should be our starting SF and try getting work done without the ball for a change.

But that would mean we need a legit starting PG and SG...

daboywonder2007 · Post #12 » by **daboywonder2007** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:32 pm

He shot 17 times game 4

16 in game 3 (bynum and odom also shot 16 times)

20 shots in game 2

29 shot in game 1

Look i understand kobe doesn't like waiting for other guys to assert themselves. i respect that. But Kobe cannot lead you to a championship anymore. I dont care what the numbers say. I dont care what the supporting cast is doing. Until kobe is willing to pass that torch and let someone else drive the car. the lakers will go nowhere. LIke i said, david robinson was playing at a very high level b4 duncan came. Reggie Miller was playing a pretty decent level b4 he let jalen rose, then jermaine o'neal take over as the lead guy. If chris paul comes, kobe has to let cp3 be that guy. and it doesn't always mean cp3 has to take the most shots. But it means kobe may not get all the touches. Cp3 will dominate the ball and make the decisions. If howard comes, howard makes the decisions. whether to make a move in the paint or pass the ball outside to kobe or other wings. Kobe is gonna have to learn to play off these guys.

TruSkool · Post #13 » by **TruSkool** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:33 pm

from the current roster, i pick andrew bynum to be our 1st option, kobe 2nd, and gasol 3rd.

Kalidogg24 · Post #14 » by **Kalidogg24** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:34 pm

Kobe will be back tougher and fully healed next season.

Asianiac_24 · Post #15 » by **Asianiac_24** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:35 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:Kobe is still a first option people.

He just needs to play more like a SF with his back to the basket ... his FG% might actually approach 50% this way.

Kobe's footwork in the post is precision. That's where he belongs at this stage of his career. Period.

+1. We need to make space for Kobe in the post. Bring in some shooters and let Kobe work his magic.

daboywonder2007 · Post #16 » by **daboywonder2007** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:35 pm

Magic32fan wrote:Kobe will have to be the second or third fiddle next year. I don't think he will like it, but he's has proven he doesn't deserve to be the number one option anymore. It requires a younger player more athletic player to do this.

THANK YOU. please explain to these fans that you can't run your offense thru kobe anymore. that just because the offense is now run thru cp3 doesn't mean kobe can't be the leading scorer anymore .It just means Kobe is gonna have to do it with either less touches or just playing off the ball.

Kalidogg24 · Post #17 » by **Kalidogg24** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:37 pm

John Ireland showing Kobe this thread

daboywonder2007 · Post #18 » by **daboywonder2007** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:47 pm

this article explains everything ive been saying. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6756 ... ive-option

here are some key points ill just copy and paste

When the Lakers initiated their offense through Bynum it gave Gasol the ability to roam the paint freely, and he was also able to establish good weak side rebounding position in case of a miss.

Gasol can also at least partially credit Bynum with his resurgence because he was able to receive the ball in very favorable scoring positions, and he faced little to no double teams.

The double teams were mostly reserved for Bynum and the fact that he was able to make great decisions with the ball in the post makes me wonder why the Lakers do not focus more on getting him the ball.

Bryant will always be the team's primary offensive option, but that doesn't mean he has to be the Lakers' first option.

Bryant was able to thrive on the perimeter when the ball entered the post initially, and he didn't have to spend the majority of each possession trying to free himself with his dribble.

Post #19 » by **Slava** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:54 pm

daboywonder2007 wrote: I dont care what the numbers say. I dont care what the supporting cast is doing.

There's your problem.

LIke i said, david robinson was playing at a very high level b4 duncan came. Reggie Miller was playing a pretty decent level b4 he let jalen rose, then jermaine o'neal take over as the lead guy. If chris paul comes, kobe has to let cp3 be that guy. and it doesn't always mean cp3 has to take the most shots. But it means kobe may not get all the touches. Cp3 will dominate the ball and make the decisions. If howard comes, howard makes the decisions. whether to make a move in the paint or pass the ball outside to kobe or other wings. Kobe is gonna have to learn to play off these guys.

No offense to those guys but Jalen Rose and Reggie Miller are no where in the same league as Kobe at any time during their careers.

buckybadgerfan · Post #20 » by **buckybadgerfan** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:55 pm

Tough series guys. Dallas was hittn everything the whole series long. The way they passed and shot the ball looks like nobody will beat them. (Peja and Kidd are two of top most prolific 3pt shooters--then you throw in Nowitzki, Terry and clutch smallman Barea who ran circles around the Lakers)
What LA needs is team speed/quickness especially at the perimeter--most glaring position of weakness is definitely the point guard spot. Fisher can outmuscle most PG but can't outrun them anymore. Compared to NO and Dallas the Lakers were stagnant on offense and in slo-mo on defense (opposing guards always exposed this flaw). Lakers have adjusted well following playoff losses. Revamp, refuel and repeat has been past strategy and can be the a likely scenario even with a new coach.