2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[witnessraps]

Pau Gasol? Trade Bargs, JJ, Bayless for Pau. We should have the cap to absorb the salary difference. Take Irving and sign Battier and Kurt Thomas!

Irving/Jose
DD/Barbosa
Battier/Kleiza
Amir/Ed
Pau/Thomas

Not the best team in the world but, given proper coaching, this team can play some acceptable D (not gonna be great) and be efficient.

Maybe BC can work some magic again to bring in talent.

Pau kinda stunk it up hard in the playoffs. I don't know if I want to give up that much for him nor pay him that much money. I'd rather focus on getting a young athletic C that can fit into the rebuilding plans of this team. Pau is probably better suited at PF anyways.

[garbagnani]

Cousins + Bargnani = worst defensive frontcourt of alltime. If we can somehow pair Davis with Cousins that would be scary.

I'm sorry I don't see your logic all that well, Ed Davis with Cousins is scary, but bargs with cousins is the worst defence of all time??? Is Ed Davis a multiple DPOY to you?? Is Cousins a Stiff too you, or are you just gonna call bargs the worst defender in the NBA? Theres plenty of cases around the NBA where 1 relatively poor big man defender is still able to make a difference and get the job done for their team. Dirk / Boozer / CB4 / Zbo / Pau Gasol(got it done in the past). I wouldn't even place Bargs as the worst defender in that group.

Bargs is one of the worst defenders in the NBA, I thought this was obvious? He's certainly worse than all of the guys you've mentioned there:
Bargs: 115 DRtg, opponent PER (21.1), net PER differential (-4.9),
Dirk: 105 DRtg, opponent PER (15.7), net PER differential (+8.9)
Boozer: 99 DRtg, opponent PER (17.6 at PF, 14.2 at C), net PER (-.9 at PF, +7.8 at C, he split time between the two)
CB4: 103 DRtg, opponent PER (14.5 at PF, 11.7 at C), net PER (+5.4)
ZBo: 105 DRtg, opponent PER (14.6 at PF, 15.4 at C), net PER (+8.4 at PF, +10 at C)
Pau: 103 DRtg, opponent PER (13.5 at PF, 16 at C), net PER (+11.9 at PF, +8.3 at C)

probably not the most thorough way to measure defensive impact, but certainly enough to see that those guys are all better than him on the defensive end, or are at the very least better able to overcome their defensive shortcomings.

those stats are so subjective. Dirk plays with DPOY candidate chandler, Bosh with lebron wade. boozer Noah, zbo with marc gasol. Bargs is a bad defender, but the league is full of bad defending PFS. All of the above plus Amare. Basically, any PF that is good on offense sucks on defense and vice versa.

[plainballing]

Pau Gasol? Trade Bargs, JJ, Bayless for Pau. We should have the cap to absorb the salary difference. Take Irving and sign Battier and Kurt Thomas!

Irving/Jose
DD/Barbosa
Battier/Kleiza
Amir/Ed
Pau/Thomas

Not the best team in the world but, given proper coaching, this team can play some acceptable D (not gonna be great) and be efficient.

Maybe BC can work some magic again to bring in talent.

Pau kinda stunk it up hard in the playoffs. I don't know if I want to give up that much for him nor pay him that much money. I'd rather focus on getting a young athletic C that can fit into the rebuilding plans of this team. Pau is probably better suited at PF anyways.

Pau is still talented in offence. I am kinda hoping that Pau reviewed his play, played for the national team this season and improved on that. If we give away Bargs we need a dependable scorer like Pau. If we can get Bynum without giving Bargs away then I will do it but I think Lakers rather have a younger centre instead of a soon-to-be 31 years old PF.

[Rapsfan07]

Cousins + Bargnani = worst defensive frontcourt of alltime. If we can somehow pair Davis with Cousins that would be scary.

AGREEED! That's an amazing future frontcourt. I wonder what it would take for us to get Cousins...
Bargnani + #3? Too much or too little? I'd even be willing to take back one of Garcia or Udrih. Barbosa would be the easiest for us to move so I'd take Garcia preferably.Then they could attempt to re-sign Dalembert to cover up Bargnani's flaws and look something like this and still have space to fill whatever needs they may have:

Udrih
Evans
Casspi
Bargs
Dalembert

They could still draft Kanter and throw him into that mix.

We'll get a piece who while he does have some personality issues, he definitely has talent and we have the time and are in the place as a franchise to allow him to develop and mature as a person.
I'd give them Calderon if they want but I highly doubt they'd be interested. Of course we'd pass on a high draft pick this year but I think the move is more than worth it as I am very high on Cousins. We look something like this:

Bayless
DeRozan
Johnson
Davis
Cousins

This looks really good for our future. Ideally, everyone would have to really improve defensively but our SF, PF and C would have their primary focus being defense. The scoring would come from Bayless, DeRozan and Cousins in our starting lineup?

Thoughts?

[Morris_Shatford]

Andrea Bargnani, Jerryd Bayless + 3rd pick for Stephen Curry, Andris Biedrins, Dorell Wright.

* Solidify our PG and SF positions. Acquire a below average center in need of a change of scenery with a hefty price tag.

* Combining roster with the trade above:

Curry/Calderon
Derozen/Lee
Wright/Johnson/Klezia
Davis/Johnson
Thabeet/Biedrins

You have to at least consider the GS trade.
Curry is the best player in the deal and I guess you need to pay a lot to get a lot.

Folks are pretty down on Beans, but I think a change of scenery would do him a world of good.
Playing beside Amir and Davis should help his game.

[dagger]

Folks are pretty down on Beans, but I think a change of scenery would do him a world of good.
Playing beside Amir and Davis should help his game.

I'd give Biedrins a change of scenery: back to Latvia.

[witnessraps]

Cousins + Bargnani = worst defensive frontcourt of alltime. If we can somehow pair Davis with Cousins that would be scary.

AGREEED! That's an amazing future frontcourt. I wonder what it would take for us to get Cousins...
Bargnani + #3? Too much or too little?

Seems pretty fair to me.

[witnessraps]

Andrea Bargnani, Jerryd Bayless + 3rd pick for Stephen Curry, Andris Biedrins, Dorell Wright.

* Solidify our PG and SF positions. Acquire a below average center in need of a change of scenery with a hefty price tag.

* Combining roster with the trade above:

Curry/Calderon
Derozen/Lee
Wright/Johnson/Klezia
Davis/Johnson
Thabeet/Biedrins

I would definitely do this trade. No way to Thabeet and Lee though.

[Morris_Shatford]

Folks are pretty down on Beans, but I think a change of scenery would do him a world of good.
Playing beside Amir and Davis should help his game.

I'd give Biedrins a change of scenery: back to Latvia.

[TDotRep]

^Yep, I wanna slap him and his contract.

[Chin-Ji]

Toronto Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players:
Corey Magette, 2 yrs/21.28mil
2011 2nd Round #40 Draft Pick (Mil)

Outgoing Players:
Jose Calderon, 2 yrs/20.40mil
Solomon Alabi, 2 yrs/1.72mil (Final Year 890k Team Option)
Linas Klieza, 3 yrs/13.8mil (Final Year $4,600,000 Player Option)


Milwaukee Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players:
Jose Calderon, 2 yrs/20.40mil
Solomon Alabi, 2 yrs/1.72mil (Final Year $890k Team Option)
Andrew Bynum, 2 yrs/31.70mil (Final Year $16,493,002 Team Option)

Outgoing Players:
Andrew Bogut 3yrs/39.4mil
Corey Magette, 2 yrs/21.28mil
2011 2nd Round #40 Draft Pick (Mil)


Los Angeles Lakers Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players:
Andrew Bogut 3yrs/39.4mil
Linas Klieza, 3 yrs/13.8mil (Final Year $4,600,000 Player Option)

Outgoing Players:
Andrew Bynum, 2 yrs/31.70mil (Final Year $16,493,002 Team Option)


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3halrok

Lol, just popping random thoughts.

[flatjacket1]

Raptors receive:
9M TPE
Al Harrington

Denver receives:
Jose Calderon
5.75M TPE
3M cash

This trade would only really cost them another 5M in payroll due to us taking back Al Harringtons arguably terrible contract. We get the PG spot open for our draftee/Bayless or even a little Barbosa.

Jose Calderon (after 3M cash): 26,342,975/3 years (Around 9M a year)
Al Harrington: 33,437,000/5 years (Around 6.5M a year)

[Qwigglez]

Raptors receive: Andre Miller (expiring), Rudy Fernandez, Luke Babbit, Robin Lopez, Mickael Pietrus (expiring), 13th Pick (Suns), 2nd Round Pick (Blazers)

Suns receive: Andrea Bargnani, Jerryd Bayless

Blazers receive: Jose Calderon, Aaron Brooks

Not sure if you guys check out the Suns board at all, but I proposed this trade a while ago and I don't have many Suns fans happy taking Bargnani who they believe is a overpriced, white Channing Frye. They also don't want a similar player to Aaron Brooks, when we already have... Aaron Brooks. I thought this trade made sense for the Raps if you guys are looking at getting expirings along with a decent draft pick. Brandon Roy isn't happy with Andre Miller, so the Blazers get two different style of point guards.
I'm not sure what the value of Andrea Bargnani is, so don't be offended, lol. This is also assuming you guys draft a point guard.

[Volcano]

Players to target that are possible to obtain: Chris Kaman, Iggy, Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, Dalembert, DeAndre Jordan (Nene/MGasol would be nice, but unlikely)

Players to get rid of: Bargnani, Kleiza, Jose (or keep him as back-up)

Don't bring back: Wright, Dorsey

Bring back on small contracts: Weems (3rd string SG), Reggie (3rd string PF), Ajinca (3rd string C)

Try to trade for something better: James Johnson, Barbosa, Alabi

Sample line-up:
Kaman/Dalembert/Ajinca
Davis/Amir/Reggie
Iggy/Wilson Chandler/James Johnson
Derozan/Barbosa/Weems
Irving(Walker)/Bayless

needs shooters (maybe improvement from DD/Davis/Amir?)

Cousins + Bargnani = worst defensive frontcourt of alltime. If we can somehow pair Davis with Cousins that would be scary.

I'm sorry I don't see your logic all that well, Ed Davis with Cousins is scary, but bargs with cousins is the worst defence of all time??? Is Ed Davis a multiple DPOY to you?? Is Cousins a Stiff too you, or are you just gonna call bargs the worst defender in the NBA? Theres plenty of cases around the NBA where 1 relatively poor big man defender is still able to make a difference and get the job done for their team. Dirk / Boozer / CB4 / Zbo / Pau Gasol(got it done in the past). I wouldn't even place Bargs as the worst defender in that group.

All those guys are better defenders and when paired up with a defensive big, they can actually finish the play by rebounding if the other guy is out of position from providing help D.

[BC_]

the only two assets (well, besides Bogut, who you obviously wouldn't move for Bargnani), that we'd potentially have any interest in are Jennings and your pick. And even then, many would prefer the production that Bayless has given us over Brandon's inefficient play (although he is younger, so maybe we'd value the upside there, or would want to trade him somewhere else), and with the pick, we likely wouldn't be able to secure one of the prospects we want because of all the people that have pulled out of the draft (so we'd try to trade him to a team that's picking earlier, like maybe the Kings/Jazz/Pistons/Cavs(with the Clippers pick). If we could guarantee a guy like Biyombo (or perhaps Valanciunas/Walker/Knight), I'd probably do it. If we were trying to use Bargnani to dump Kleiza, we'd want something closer to expirings/capspace coming back (which is why the Kings are an appealing destination). Although in all honesty, the capspace won't do a whole lot for us on it's own since we aren't much of an FA destination.

Some would trade Jennings but not all. No-one wants to trade our pick for Bargs.
What position do you need a young player at?

[BC_]

Toronto Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players:
Corey Magette, 2 yrs/21.28mil
2011 2nd Round #40 Draft Pick (Mil)

Outgoing Players:
Jose Calderon, 2 yrs/20.40mil
Solomon Alabi, 2 yrs/1.72mil (Final Year 890k Team Option)
Linas Klieza, 3 yrs/13.8mil (Final Year $4,600,000 Player Option)


Milwaukee Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players:
Jose Calderon, 2 yrs/20.40mil
Solomon Alabi, 2 yrs/1.72mil (Final Year $890k Team Option)
Andrew Bynum, 2 yrs/31.70mil (Final Year $16,493,002 Team Option)

Outgoing Players:
Andrew Bogut 3yrs/39.4mil
Corey Magette, 2 yrs/21.28mil
2011 2nd Round #40 Draft Pick (Mil)


Los Angeles Lakers Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players:
Andrew Bogut 3yrs/39.4mil
Linas Klieza, 3 yrs/13.8mil (Final Year $4,600,000 Player Option)

Outgoing Players:
Andrew Bynum, 2 yrs/31.70mil (Final Year $16,493,002 Team Option)


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3halrok

Lol, just popping random thoughts.

Milwaukee board would do this. Lakers wouldn't but they should.

[Chin-Ji]

Lol, I'll do anything to get rid of Jose Calderon.

Toronto Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players:
Mehmet Okur (Expiring)

Outgoing Players:
Jose Calderon
Solomon Alabi

Utah Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players:
Jose Calderon
Solomon Alabi

Outgoing Players:
Mehmet Okur


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3ouknw2

[Onlykiwirapsfan]

Even though Im unsure if we even want green, if we draft Kanter and we can get green on a reasonably contract (say 5y/30m team option for 5th year), a Bargnani for JO, Green and 3m could work (we would then buy out JO and he could go back to the Celts. Maybe they could throw in next years pick, or Avery Bradley. I think Bargs would fit in that team really well. KG would bully him into at least trying on defence, he would be the second option on offence they have been missing in the Miami series, and with a slight uptick in effort his poor defensive awareness woiuld be somewhat negated by the other strong defensive players, as well as an excellent defensive scheme. Id like to try and get Kleiza in there too but doubt it works.

Would that work? Unsure how S&T's work

Bayless/Calderon
Derozan/Barbosa/Weems
Green/Johnson/Kleiza/Weems
Davis/Amir/Kleiza
Kanter/Amir/Ajinca

[NH]

This was brought up by Rapcast at Raptors Republic, but would you trade our 2011 draft pick and JJ/Linas to Memphis for Rudy Gay? If Memphis feels that they rather have Battier at SF than Gay, then they may need to trade Rudy to resign Marc Gasol. We also have the TPE, which is something BC can use.

[bboyskinnylegs]

the only two assets (well, besides Bogut, who you obviously wouldn't move for Bargnani), that we'd potentially have any interest in are Jennings and your pick. And even then, many would prefer the production that Bayless has given us over Brandon's inefficient play (although he is younger, so maybe we'd value the upside there, or would want to trade him somewhere else), and with the pick, we likely wouldn't be able to secure one of the prospects we want because of all the people that have pulled out of the draft (so we'd try to trade him to a team that's picking earlier, like maybe the Kings/Jazz/Pistons/Cavs(with the Clippers pick). If we could guarantee a guy like Biyombo (or perhaps Valanciunas/Walker/Knight), I'd probably do it. If we were trying to use Bargnani to dump Kleiza, we'd want something closer to expirings/capspace coming back (which is why the Kings are an appealing destination). Although in all honesty, the capspace won't do a whole lot for us on it's own since we aren't much of an FA destination.

Some would trade Jennings but not all. No-one wants to trade our pick for Bargs.
What position do you need a young player at?

we need good young talent at all positions, but mostly at C/SF/PG (keeping in mind that we do have young guys in Jerryd Bayless and James Johnson at the 1/3, so if it's a PG/SF, they should at least be as good as those two).