Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[corwin]

Wolves wouldnt give their pick for Iggy. Something like Webster, Darko, #20 for Iggy would be about the value id see MN giving. Saves Philly money, adds a pick, replacement wing, and 7 foot shot blocker.

Doesnt sound sexy, but you guys arent getting sexy back for Iggy. Sorry, he makes too much and it kills his value as a good, bu not great player.

We'll see. It seems like you're overlooking the Wolves needs though. How long will the fans come out to see that product? Also, do you really think Love will re-sign if you don't improve the team? Your GM has talked about adding veterans. You don't have 5 years to improve. Iggy or someone like him is needed in Minnesota more than Philly needs to trade him to you.

[76ciology]

Wolves wouldnt give their pick for Iggy. Something like Webster, Darko, #20 for Iggy would be about the value id see MN giving. Saves Philly money, adds a pick, replacement wing, and 7 foot shot blocker.

Doesnt sound sexy, but you guys arent getting sexy back for Iggy. Sorry, he makes too much and it kills his value as a good, bu not great player.

We'll see. It seems like you're overlooking the Wolves needs though. How long will the fans come out to see that product? Also, do you really think Love will re-sign if you don't improve the team? Your GM has talked about adding veterans. You don't have 5 years to improve. Iggy or someone like him is needed in Minnesota more than Philly needs to trade him to you.

I was about to post the same thing. And how Iggy would have been a good fit to the Wolves. But I think that the projected 1st overall pick is just TOO steep of a price to give up for a player like Iggy.

[Skates]

On cavs forums they are discussing wanting to get Igoudala and a pick next year for the trade exception. Like a guy before said we passed on stoudamire so no hickson for PHI. Igoudala will be traded. Evan Turner showed me something at the end of the year.

Yes, and passing on Amare to keep Hickson was a brilliant move by the Cavs FO, LOL. Hickson is a nice player, but not the kind you build anything around, the Cavs FO vastly over rated him.

Actually from the Cavs I'd look for something more along the lines of Varejao and the Clips pick from this year. You aren't getting him for nothing.

As for Minnesota, trading the pick would be a lot smarter than going the overstock at one position route again like they did with Flynn and Rubio, which turned out to be the most understocked position on the team with Flynn pretty much sucking and Rubio only a pipe dream. You want to keep Love there you better start adding some vets around him.

[Foshan]

I don't think any lotto teams would deal the 1 or 2 pick for Iguodala, and I don't think that any Philly fan is asking for that. A trade wouldn't be done until after the lottery at the earliers (i'd think), and so the positions will be set.

But anything after those top two picks I think is fair as picks 3-8 is a toss up, imo, as i think 9-19 ish is as well.

[rick32621]

The Sixers biggest general needs are defensive size and length, especially on the boards, and perimeter shooting. Solve those alone and you have a 50-54 win team that is a tough out in the second round.

Sixers get that in Chris Kaman. Keep in mind, in terms of defensive size and length, that while they were on the Clippers together, Kaman guarded Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, not Elton Brand.

During his all-star year, Chris Kaman, after showcasing his perimeter shooting, averaged 18.5 ppg, 9.3 rpg, and 1.2 bpg. This year, Spencer Hawes averaged 7.2 ppg, 5.7 rpg, and 0.9 bpg.

Doug Collins will bring out the best in Chris Kaman.

[83SixersRocked]

Doesnt sound sexy, but you guys arent getting sexy back for Iggy. Sorry, he makes too much and it kills his value as a good, bu not great player.

Not from you. Yet, you want him. Go figure.

[Skates]

The Sixers biggest general needs are defensive size and length, especially on the boards, and perimeter shooting. Solve those alone and you have a 50-54 win team that is a tough out in the second round.

Sixers get that in Chris Kaman. Keep in mind, in terms of defensive size and length, that while they were on the Clippers together, Kaman guarded Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, not Elton Brand.

During his all-star year, Chris Kaman, after showcasing his perimeter shooting, averaged 18.5 ppg, 9.3 rpg, and 1.2 bpg. This year, Spencer Hawes averaged 7.2 ppg, 5.7 rpg, and 0.9 bpg.

Doug Collins will bring out the best in Chris Kaman.

It being a contract year will bring out the best in Kaman. Even then there is no reason for a team sans Iggy to dole out bucks to keep a 30+ center the next year, so he's a rental and one who's defensive chops have eroded from mediocre to poor already. I'll take Kaman if you want to add long term assets like Aminu and a pick, we'll even throw in Speights. Iggy is a perfect fit for LAC. They already have shooters (Gordon, Williams), big time scorers (Griffin, Gordon) and need someone who can help Bledsoe and Williams with the playmaking duties

[rick32621]

It being a contract year will bring out the best in Kaman. Even then there is no reason for a team sans Iggy to dole out bucks to keep a 30+ center the next year, so he's a rental and one who's defensive chops have eroded from mediocre to poor already. I'll take Kaman if you want to add long term assets like Aminu and a pick, we'll even throw in Speights. Iggy is a perfect fit for LAC. They already have shooters (Gordon, Williams), big time scorers (Griffin, Gordon) and need someone who can help Bledsoe and Williams with the playmaking duties

Minny pick is off-limits here. Kaman takes care of your perimeter shooting, defense, and low post offense. His defensive chops have not eroded from mediocre to poor already. Kaman is not your primary defensive stopper in the paint. He shared chores with Elton Brand. He shared chores with Marcus Camby. Let's face it, Blake Griffin's not know for his shot blocking and his defense. Pair him up with Brand, and he becomes the primary defender against the other team's best big man. As you've no doubt noticed, Brand can't guard anyone and is better only as a help defender.

I'd consider Chris Kaman + Ryan Gomes for Andre Iguodala + Mareese Speights.
If you want Aminu, I'd consider Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu + Ryan Gomes for Andre Iguodala, Spencer Hawes (re-signed) + Eduardo Najera's expiring contract.

[76ciology]

The Sixers biggest general needs are defensive size and length, especially on the boards, and perimeter shooting. Solve those alone and you have a 50-54 win team that is a tough out in the second round.

Sixers get that in Chris Kaman. Keep in mind, in terms of defensive size and length, that while they were on the Clippers together, Kaman guarded Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, not Elton Brand.

During his all-star year, Chris Kaman, after showcasing his perimeter shooting, averaged 18.5 ppg, 9.3 rpg, and 1.2 bpg. This year, Spencer Hawes averaged 7.2 ppg, 5.7 rpg, and 0.9 bpg.

Doug Collins will bring out the best in Chris Kaman.

I agree.

I think that my proposed Kaman-Iggy trade is perfect. So perfect that it wasn't just an actual rumored but was actually proposed during the season, per Kate Fagan.

Kaman gives us a player who is more ready than any of the top 5 prospects. He's on a contract year, that assures you that he's determined to step up next season. And we all know that he's capable of averaging 18/9/1.5. I don't think that Thorn, Collins and Brand would be willing to wait for the development of a young talented player we had in exchange for Iguodala. The team is a mix of people who are on the twilight of their careers (Thorn, Collins and Brand ) and people who are just getting started((Jrue, ET and Thad). This trade satisfy to these two kinds of people on our team.

Kaman is the best move for now and for the future. For now, he fills the position we desperately need. If he proves us that he's an all-star caliber center, then we sign him at a reasonable price (he's just 28 years old). For the future, if he proves he's useless, then he'd set us up for a big cap space to use in the summer of 2013. That cap space, along side EB42's expiring contract and probably a lotto pick in 2013 gives us a good position for now and for the future.

As crazy as it sounds, I think with an improved Jrue and ET, which is inevitable. And with a determined Kaman to play alongside EB42 and Thad on our frontcourt, I think we can beat the Heat in 6. Kaman's better rebounding and defensive skills compared to the useless Spencer Hawes, would certainly have made a big difference in that series.

[corwin]

Wolves wouldnt give their pick for Iggy. Something like Webster, Darko, #20 for Iggy would be about the value id see MN giving. Saves Philly money, adds a pick, replacement wing, and 7 foot shot blocker.

Doesnt sound sexy, but you guys arent getting sexy back for Iggy. Sorry, he makes too much and it kills his value as a good, bu not great player.

We'll see. It seems like you're overlooking the Wolves needs though. How long will the fans come out to see that product? Also, do you really think Love will re-sign if you don't improve the team? Your GM has talked about adding veterans. You don't have 5 years to improve. Iggy or someone like him is needed in Minnesota more than Philly needs to trade him to you.

I was about to post the same thing. And how Iggy would have been a good fit to the Wolves. But I think that the projected 1st overall pick is just TOO steep of a price to give up for a player like Iggy.

The mocks have Kemba Walker, D. Motiejunas, Valanciunas & Brandon Knight at #4. Not really too much to get excited about.

[Housh]

If he proves us that he's an all-star caliber center, then we sign him at a reasonable price (he's just 28 years old).

If he proves that he's an all-star caliber center, why would we be able to sign him at a reasonable price?

Also, he's 29.

[Housh]

Chris Kaman career rebounds per 36: 10.1

Spencer Hawes career rebounds per 36: 8.9

Chris Kaman rebounds per 36 in 2008-2009, 2009-2010, 2010-2011: 9.7

Spencer Hawes rebounds per 36 in 2010-2011: 9.7

[MeCarlos24]

Chris Kaman career rebounds per 36: 10.1

Spencer Hawes career rebounds per 36: 8.9

Chris Kaman rebounds per 36 in 2008-2009, 2009-2010, 2010-2011: 9.7

Spencer Hawes rebounds per 36 in 2010-2011: 9.7

Do not compare Hawes to Kaman, you only do it because they are both white. Kaman was improving so much every year offensively, and was a force in the post.

[MeCarlos24]

On cavs forums they are discussing wanting to get Igoudala and a pick next year for the trade exception. Like a guy before said we passed on stoudamire so no hickson for PHI. Igoudala will be traded. Evan Turner showed me something at the end of the year.

We would be evil. Sending Iguodala to the sports team heII that is Cleveland. Seriously though I wouldn't like it for Andre's sake, people would instantly want him to be LBJ.

[Sixersftw]

Do not compare Hawes to Kaman, you only do it because they are both white. Kaman was improving so much every year offensively, and was a force in the post.

Well they have a lot of similarities. They are both wholly nonathletic, middling or worse rebounders, defensive sieves, and unconscionably inefficient for 7 footers! Kaman is really a slightly upgraded Spencer. I suppose I'm overlooking Spencers passing....

[Housh]

Chris Kaman career rebounds per 36: 10.1

Spencer Hawes career rebounds per 36: 8.9

Chris Kaman rebounds per 36 in 2008-2009, 2009-2010, 2010-2011: 9.7

Spencer Hawes rebounds per 36 in 2010-2011: 9.7

Do not compare Hawes to Kaman, you only do it because they are both white. Kaman was improving so much every year offensively, and was a force in the post.

I'm not comparing them because they're white; I'm comparing them because one is the center we have and the other is the center some people want to trade our best player for, often with the delusion that he will ameliorate our rebounding issues.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Admittiedly haven't watched too many Philly games so I pose the question. What do you feel your team needs to shore up on in order to improve?

The Sixers biggest general needs are defensive size and length, especially on the boards, and perimeter shooting. Solve those alone and you have a 50-54 win team that is a tough out in the second round.

The step beyond that requires an alpha player, something this team does not have. The Sixers could try to build on the Pistons' model, go deep in the playoffs most years and hope to win a championship on a down year for other teams, but realistically they need a superstar to truly contend.

Agreed, Completely I think the Sixers compare to the Pacers. You get that sense that all they need is a superstar to get them over that hump. Hawes, although I still think he's servicable and of course improving as a young player, was a slight disappointment. I guess I expected close to a double double year from him still a decent player who could max out as at least a servicable big.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Wolves wouldnt give their pick for Iggy. Something like Webster, Darko, #20 for Iggy would be about the value id see MN giving. Saves Philly money, adds a pick, replacement wing, and 7 foot shot blocker.

Doesnt sound sexy, but you guys arent getting sexy back for Iggy. Sorry, he makes too much and it kills his value as a good, bu not great player.

I think the Sixers would glady pass. The 2 make 10 million combined, add in the 1st and there's really not much savings or value.

Sixers can get better and if not, they'd likely just keep him.

Does a deal surrounding JJ redick. Ryan Anderson and maybe Jameer get Iggy and Speights in Orlando?

[MeCarlos24]

Wolves wouldnt give their pick for Iggy. Something like Webster, Darko, #20 for Iggy would be about the value id see MN giving. Saves Philly money, adds a pick, replacement wing, and 7 foot shot blocker.

Doesnt sound sexy, but you guys arent getting sexy back for Iggy. Sorry, he makes too much and it kills his value as a good, bu not great player.

I think the Sixers would glady pass. The 2 make 10 million combined, add in the 1st and there's really not much savings or value.

Sixers can get better and if not, they'd likely just keep him.

Does a deal surrounding JJ redick. Ryan Anderson and maybe Jameer get Iggy and Speights in Orlando?

What are we going to do with Jameer? I like JJ but we have Meeks. And Anderson looked like a monster against us this season. But we don't want another undersized PF.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I think the Sixers would glady pass. The 2 make 10 million combined, add in the 1st and there's really not much savings or value.

Sixers can get better and if not, they'd likely just keep him.

Does a deal surrounding JJ redick. Ryan Anderson and maybe Jameer get Iggy and Speights in Orlando?

What are we going to do with Jameer? I like JJ but we have Meeks. And Anderson looked like a monster against us this season. But we don't want another undersized PF.

I dont know, just throwing Jameer out there. Not really sure where your team stands with Louis Williams but Jameer is definately better three point shooter.
JJ is a career bench player although a very good one, so I dont see a problem with him coming in behind Meeks.
Ryan isn't really undersized, he's every bit of 6'10 and a good rebounder. I dont want to sound like Im trying to sell you guys on this idea just trying to guage the value of some of our assets from other fans perspective.