Draft Board Consensus - Poll No. 8

[fatlever]

Adding Jordan Hamilton

Off the board:
Irving, Williams, Kanter, Biyombo, Walker, Knight, Valanciunas

[fatlever]

sticking with leonard here

[BigSlam]

I'm obviously being swayed by Ford yapping on about his amazing shooting over two days in Vegas, but I'm going with Kawhi too.

[W_HAMILTON]

I didn't read the draft thread till late at night after I voted, but now I'm wishing I had voted for Leonard last pick. So, I vote for him now. He may be one of those guys that shoots up my wish list real quick.

[ohara]

I always wanted someone named Kawhi on the Bobcats. Just a cool name. And a pretty good game to go with it.

[JMAC3]

What position does Kawhi play for the Bobcats then. I do not think we can pass up on a Bargnani/Dirk type player in Montijunas.

[SWedd523]

What position does Kawhi play for the Bobcats then. I do not think we can pass up on a Bargnani/Dirk type player in Montijunas.

Small Forward.


p.s. Bargnani should never be mentioned in the same breath as Dirk.

[JMAC3]

I am saying he is a mix between them. He is more like Bargnani, but I would take that over Kawhi.

[SWedd523]

Don't know why. He's a 215lb seven footer. By comparison, Kawhi is 225lb, Kanter is 250, and Derrick Williams is 235.

We need a big who is going to stay in the post and bang around a bit. Diaw is a stretch 4 and Tyrus is too small to play straight up. Motiejunas does not fit that bill at all because he'd get thrashed down low. Besides, he ranks 49th (!!!!!!!) in Lega A rebounding at 4.2 per. He only scores 12 points a game too. He's the 4th best non-American big man prospect, and that says a lot.


Not. Impressed.

[JMAC3]

Monti would bring us a starting center. He is a hard worker who wants to win. He is a much better overall player than Bargnani. He has really nice post moves with his back to basket including some running hooks and really nice fade-away over both shoulders. He does a good job of playing in the open court and is a great passer for his size. The thing is he is a solid center until we can get an elite center and possibly move him to the 4. I think he scores in too many ways to pass up and could easily average 15 points, 7 boards, and 2.5 assists next year.

Kwahi on the other hand is a tough rebounder, but needs to work on his jumper. He is not a versatile scorer which is what we need. He will probably be a nice rebounder from the small forward position, but we need people who can put the ball in the hole. I think he is a poor mans Gerald Wallace. I would take him no doubt with our second pick, but he doesnt bring enough to the table to be taken at 9th or higher.

Overall if we could land Kanter, Valuncianas, or Montijunas with our first pick that can play center next year. Then with our second pick we hope Hamilton falls to us and if he doesnt I would look at Honeycutt or Tobias Harris.

[BigSlam]

I think he scores in too many ways to pass up and could easily average 15 points, 7 boards, and 2.5 assists next year.

That would make his rookie season better than the rookie season for guys like KG, Amare, LMA, Bosh, Dwight etc.........

[JMAC3]

He also has been playing professionally for several seasons. His game would thrive in the NBA because of matchup problems. He has three point range, midrange, good first step, athletic, post moves, and he has intangibles. The guy makes plays and in my opinion will be at least a starter next season. Whereas Kwahi could easily be a backup for a year or two.

[SWedd523]

You want a guy who averages 12 and 4 in Italy to come to the NBA and put up 15 and 7? Did I mention he only weighs 215 pounds? Just because we need a Center doesn't mean we reach for a twig who can't play in the post. Having him on the floor is an instant defensive liability and he gets all of his points in the same ways that Diaw and Tyrus do. He simply isn't needed.



Would you rather have Bargnani or Walllace? I thought so.

[Jaruff]

You want a guy who averages 12 and 4 in Italy to come to the NBA and put up 15 and 7? Did I mention he only weighs 215 pounds? Just because we need a Center doesn't mean we reach for a twig who can't play in the post. Having him on the floor is an instant defensive liability and he gets all of his points in the same ways that Diaw and Tyrus do. He simply isn't needed.



Would you rather have Bargnani or Walllace? I thought so.

The more I read about him, the more he sounds like Bargs jr. That wouldn't be bad (we could use the low post scoring) but I can't see that relationship working with Silas and Co.

It's the one position that I'm not worried about this year (we were still competitive with one center and a bunch of scrubs this season). I had Montie down but I switched to Burks. Especially with the Henderson injury, we're going to need a scoring threat.

[JMAC3]

One reason is nobody in europe really scores the way they are capable. The game is shorter and teams usually run with more players in their rotation. He only plays 25 minutes a game and he averages 13 points. He has the second highest points per minute in the League. He shoots 55 percent from 2 point range and 43 percent from 3 point range and also shoots 73 percent from free throw line.

Kawhi Leonard was no superstar in college and he was playing weak talent. He averaged 15.5 points, 10.6 rebounds in 33 minutes. He shoots 29 percent from 3. and only 44 percent from the field. He shoots 75 percent from the freethrow line. His season high in points was 23 which is unimpressive considering the talent they played against. His lack of range is what scares me the most. With Hendo as our shooting guard we need our SF to be able to spread the floor with the three point shot.

[SWedd523]

He's 27th in the league in points. Guys like James White, Taquan Dean, and Othello Hunter (yeah, that guy) score more than him. That's not even what scares me. It's his pathetic 4 rebounds a game. He's 56th in Lega A in rebounds per40 minutes. That's terrible.

Not to mention that he has 2 or 3 years of experience on guys like Enes, Jonas, and Bismack and is already below those guys in potential and production. He's weaker than all three of them and doesn't have the physicality to play in the post. (something you haven't addressed at all)


We need a Center. Not a SF disguised as a Center.

[JMAC3]

We need a Center. Not a SF disguised as a Center.

Kwahi Leonard is a Center in a Small Forward body.

Figures as soon as Chad Ford starts to give Leonard some love then everybody thinks he is the next coming. He cant shoot, shooters are born not made and Leonard can clearly not shoot. Leonard causes no matchup problems in the NBA. He doesnt have a post game to post smaller players, he doesnt have range on his jumper, he doesnt get to the hole at will.

Motijunas is not a traditional center, but he causes matchup problems because of it. He will stretch the floor and take the oppositions center out of the paint. I think he can be a starting center for an NBA team, he can put on muscle once he gets to the NBA. Strength is not something that is that important overseas, but I admit he will have to get stronger. You act like he has no post game. He already has a better post game than Bargnani. He is a top prospect for a reason.

In my opinion Jordan Hamilton will be the more productive NBA player when compared to Kwahi Leonard.

[W_HAMILTON]

I don't want real Bargnani, much less Bargnani junior.

I hope no Canadians are around.

[SWedd523]

Ive been singing Kawhi's praises for a long time now. Chad Ford has nothing to do with it as i tend to ignore what most of those ESPN analysts have to say. It still begs the question:

Why do you keep comparing Motiejunas to Kawhi? That makes no sense. He's obviously not a Center in a SF body so I'll just say lol to that. Just because he's bigger, stronger, and a better rebounder despite being 4-5 inches shorter doesn't mean much other than Motiejunas has no post presence.

Why would we get a Center with no low post presence when none of our power forwards operate down low? Who's going to play on the block? Who's going to guard any Center in the league? Not Donatas. He serves absolutely no purpose other than being a taller, thinner Diaw.



At this point in our mock, Burks, Leonard, and Vesely are all clearly better prospects than Motiejunas. Then you have guys like Thompson, Hamilton, Marcus Morris, etc who all deserve recognition at least on the same level as Motiejunas. So why reach when you have better players on the board?

[Elden Payton]

I gotta go with SWEDD on this, Montie is a big no unless at 19 there is no other ranked 1st round bigs available, considering we have a strong possibility of landing Keith Benson or Greg Smith with our 2nd then Montie is a big no. I posted that I wanted Kawhi earlier in the year & then was swayed by the Terrence Jones talk & am now voting for Burks because i consider him a top 5 talent in this draft.

If we picked Khawhi with our own pick & Jordan Williams at 19 with Benson or Smith in the 2nd then that would be the best draft we have ever had.

Khawi has little to no bust probability imo, rebounding is the skill that translates the most successfully from the NCAA's to the League. He is so athletic that it covers a lot of his defensive mistakes so he needs to improve his fundamentals & quit playing gamble leak out defense so much & offensively he made it to the rim against less athletic players in his college career but he will at least be an excellent rebounder/defender/slasher in the league & his intangibles will make him a starting calibre player at the least.

but i still picked Burks who imo has the potential to be brandon roy 2.0

Who do you guys think is going to be better? Obviously Khawi fills a bigger need out of the 2 but Burks imo has more potential(though Khawi has a tonne of that)

Can we quit the Montie talk, I have no interest in the next Alexis Ajinca, We already had the first one & he was the second worst basketball player ever after Ha Seung-Jin.