2011 DRAFT blather goes here. Part 3...

[dobrojim]

I like Nick right now because he is one of the few players
we have that can get his own shot. You need at least
one guy like that.

ORL won the lotto 2 years in a row - took Shaq the 1st year,
swapped Webb to GS for Penny and 3 #1s the next year.
Funny thing is when Shaq left ORL for LA, they weren't
that good for a while. Trading for Grant Hill didn't
work out for them either.

[Illuminaire]

I admit it - this is all my giant Kanter man-crush.

^__^

[nate33]

I want us to keep him if it's practical, but that could be a very big IF. He's probably the best scoring guard available in either the draft or free agency, and he's young. I'd rather get something for him than watch him sign somewhere else for too much money.

Nick Young has no trade value.

If somebody wants him, they'll sign him with the MLE. If he costs more than the MLE, nobody is going to want to give up a valuable pick only to overpay a one-dimensional player.

[theboomking]

Interesting article on how Rubio may shake up the draft.

If they win the lottery, the Timberwolves aren't going to draft Irving right after ending a two-year quest to sign Rubio. Williams is an intriguing player with nice versatility, but ideally what they would like to do with the pick is trade it. After winning only 32 games combined over the last two years there is a demand to start winning a lot more regularly from the fan base and ownership.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?sto ... z1MKi0M4r3

Doesn't affect us much, we still need a top-3 pick to have any chance at getting Kanter or Willams.

The fact that we need a top 3 pick this year is exactly why this is huge news for us. It means that if we want to go up and get Kanter or WIlliams, we may have a willing partner. The question is, how far back would Minnesota be willing to trade? Would they move from 2 to 5?

I'll tell you why this video honestly made me chuckle -- I pictured Dray in Kanter's place: unable to keep that defensive stance during the step-slide drill, laying up what he should be dunking, just generally dragging ass. Kanter seems like a huge upgrade over what we've got.

I noted in another post that Kanter reminds me of Blatche, as he should have been. Kanter has a lot of the same post moves that Blatche has, up and unders, spins, etc, but Kanter plays with power, looks to be much more mature than Blatche, and as a 19 year old, already has a much better physique than Blatche does.

I admit it - this is all my giant Kanter man-crush.
^__^

I've got the same crush. I think Kanter is the best player in this year's draft. He's also the perfect complement to John Wall and our team in general. Kanter is a 6'11" PF/C that can shoot from the perimeter and stretch the floor for Wall, and run the P&R with Wall. He plays both with great power, and with incredible skill in the post.

[Illuminaire]

I want us to keep him if it's practical, but that could be a very big IF. He's probably the best scoring guard available in either the draft or free agency, and he's young. I'd rather get something for him than watch him sign somewhere else for too much money.

Nick Young has no trade value.

If somebody wants him, they'll sign him with the MLE. If he costs more than the MLE, nobody is going to want to give up a valuable pick only to overpay a one-dimensional player.

Nate, we're talking about trading with David Kahn here. ANYTHING is on the table.

I'm only 25% joking too.

Edit: Admittedly, my initial statement lacked appropriate Kahnese context. And yes, I know it's ludicrous.

[thinker07]

I want us to keep him if it's practical, but that could be a very big IF. He's probably the best scoring guard available in either the draft or free agency, and he's young. I'd rather get something for him than watch him sign somewhere else for too much money.

Nick Young has no trade value.

If somebody wants him, they'll sign him with the MLE. If he costs more than the MLE, nobody is going to want to give up a valuable pick only to overpay a one-dimensional player.

Exactly. But how much is NY worth to another team? Chicago which really needs a sg? It's hard to see their coach really coveting NY. The Wiz may be the best opportunity for NY and NY may be our best option too. I think they are likely to reach a fair deal for both sides.

[Illuminaire]

Yeah, yeah, be all practical. Just get me Kanter, OK?

And yes, seriously, I hope we can resign Nick at a reasonable level that will make everyone happy.

[theboomking]

Yeah, yeah, be all practical. Just get me Kanter, OK?

And yes, seriously, I hope we can resign Nick at a reasonable level that will make everyone happy.

With Wall bringing up the possibility, unsolicited, of picking Kanter 1st overall, you'd have to think he is in management's ear about this. Wall also has the inside skinny on Kanter through his Kentucky connections, so I'm sure he isn't basing his desire off of wild unsupported speculation.

How much do you guys think it would cost to go from 4 or 5 to #2? Who on our team, and what picks would you give up to get there, whether for Kanter, or Williams?

[Rafael122]

I think we have a good chance. The last time the worse team in the league won the lottery was Orlando, I believe and they got Dwight, year before Cleveland got Lebron. It's happened 4 times in the 26 years of the NBA Lottery, last happened 7 years ago.

So what am I saying? Chances are likely that Sacramento, Wizards, or Toronto will end up with the top pick. Just seems like while the lottery gives the team w/the worse record the best chance, it also favors the other teams in the top 5.

I just want a top 3 pick. I could care less if its 1, 2 or 3.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Yeah, yeah, be all practical. Just get me Kanter, OK?

And yes, seriously, I hope we can resign Nick at a reasonable level that will make everyone happy.

With Wall bringing up the possibility, unsolicited, of picking Kanter 1st overall, you'd have to think he is in management's ear about this. Wall also has the inside skinny on Kanter through his Kentucky connections, so I'm sure he isn't basing his desire off of wild unsupported speculation.

How much do you guys think it would cost to go from 4 or 5 to #2? Who on our team, and what picks would you give up to get there, whether for Kanter, or Williams?

Yeah Wall's comments do help alleviate some of my concerns about Kanter. I mean the reporter asked him about Williams and Wall was like yeah Williams (agreeing w/ the reporter) OR Enes Kanter (on his own unprovoked). I have to think Wall has played w/ Kanter at some point in some form or fashion.

I totally hope we get Williams, but if we get Kanter I will be happy.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Btw, when is the lottery?? Is it this week?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

This may of been posted before... but this is from nbadraft.net

Jan Vesely 6-11 230 SF/PF Czech Republic 1990 The Wizards are extremely high on Vesely and it's unlikely they would allow him to slip by them at 4. He's is ultra long and athletic and has the ability to play either forward position. He's a tweener but a good tweener in the sense that he can create mismatches due to his size. He will need to add strength and could struggle some guarding on the perimeter due to lack of foot speed, but his incredible length and improving skill set make him a projected high lottery pick. He's been compared to both Dunleavy's (Mike senior and junior) due to his shooting ability and adroit ball handling skills. He has had a strong end to the season for Partizan Belgrade after starting off slowly.

I can see this being Ernie's guy considering his past picks of Nowitzki and Pecherov.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'd be very pleased if we come out of the draft with Kanter, Singleton and Hansbrough.

I could see all 3 contributing sooner rather than later. A Kanter/McGee rotation at Center (and Seraphin), at PF we got Blatche and Booker, SF Lewis and Singleton, SG Young and Crawford, and PG Wall backed up by Hansbrough.

Of course players can move up or down (Young at SF, Crawford at PG, Lewis at PF, Kanter at PF, and so on). But I love the thought of adding Kanter's low post offense, pick n pop, rebounding, size, and effort, with the blue collar game, athleticism and lock-down D of Singleton to our frontcourt. Hanbrough's just a gritty PG who can knock the 3 to give Wall some backup.

But I like the way those 3 would fill out our roster and rotation.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

More on Singleton at #18...

Draftexpress: "players of Singleton's nature who are capable of locking down multiple positions, rebounding out of their area and scoring in transition (off cuts to the basket and second chance opportunities on the offensive glass) are valuable assets"

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chr ... z1MTfwqdNG
http://www.draftexpress.com


Singleton would be a perfect fit for this team. This team is still in need of toughness, and Singleton adds that. He is what Jeffries was trying to be. He is immediately a defensive sub for Lewis' offensive SF game. I mean at times we can throw McGee, Booker and Singleton at opposing teams when we want a defensive spark. Singleton would be nice to have on the floor with Nick Young at SG and Blatche at PF.

And I believe he will continue to improve offensively, and can score now on hustle plays and fast breaks. Defensively he's a guy we can stick on guys like LeBron, Pierce, Durant. But Singleton is a guy we can add who instantly makes the Wizards a good defensive team. With Singleton and Kanter to bolster the frontcourt with Blatche, McGee, Booker, Seraphin and Lewis, and this team is suddenly looking big, long, athletic and tough. The Wizards tough???!!! But that is the direction we can go, and I would love it.

Add to that the backcourt of Wall, Young, Crawford, (and Hansbrough??) and this team is full of defensive potential and hustle. Imagine the hustle and effort of the Wizards at the end of the season, but with more talent. But Singleton would be a very welcome addition to this team, especially in rotation with the other SF options of this team Lewis and Young.

[sfam]

Yeah, yeah, be all practical. Just get me Kanter, OK?

And yes, seriously, I hope we can resign Nick at a reasonable level that will make everyone happy.

With Wall bringing up the possibility, unsolicited, of picking Kanter 1st overall, you'd have to think he is in management's ear about this. Wall also has the inside skinny on Kanter through his Kentucky connections, so I'm sure he isn't basing his desire off of wild unsupported speculation.

How much do you guys think it would cost to go from 4 or 5 to #2? Who on our team, and what picks would you give up to get there, whether for Kanter, or Williams?

Yeah Wall's comments do help alleviate some of my concerns about Kanter. I mean the reporter asked him about Williams and Wall was like yeah Williams (agreeing w/ the reporter) OR Enes Kanter (on his own unprovoked). I have to think Wall has played w/ Kanter at some point in some form or fashion.

I totally hope we get Williams, but if we get Kanter I will be happy.

I almost hope we get Kanter over Williams - not because Kanter is better, but because I think they'll be enough SFs in next year's draft that we should be able to get a pretty decent one, while our chances of getting a solid BIG are diminished.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

If we don't move up on the lottery, I'm beginning to think we ought to stretch on Tristan Thompson.

He's pretty much guaranteed to be a solid pro... A great post defender and rebounder.

Taking him would allow us target a more one dimentional guy like Jordan Hamilton at 18 and/or Marshon Brooks with the second rounder.

I could roll with:

Wall/Crawford
N1/Brooks
Lewis/Hamilton
Thompson/Booker
Blatche/Mcgee

with Seraphin + 2 d leaguers

If that team could scrape together 40 wins and create some Buzz, we might just have the juice and the young assets for a Howard sign and trade next summer.

[thinker07]

If we don't move up on the lottery, I'm beginning to think we ought to stretch on Tristan Thompson.

He's pretty much guaranteed to be a solid pro... A great post defender and rebounder.

Taking him would allow us target a more one dimentional guy like Jordan Hamilton at 18 and/or Marshon Brooks with the second rounder.

I could roll with:

Wall/Crawford
N1/Brooks
Lewis/Hamilton
Thompson/Booker
Blatche/Mcgee

with Seraphin + 2 d leaguers

If that team could scrape together 40 wins and create some Buzz, we might just have the juice and the young assets for a Howard sign and trade next summer.

This lines up with what I've advocated - except if I had to reach I'd reach for Markieff Morris instead of Thompkins because the latter is simply too limited offensively. I think Morris will also be a solid longterm pro AND is much more ready to play now.

And I think Howard gets traded as soon as the labor situation is resolved. And it won't be to the Wiz because part of the asking price will be to take back Gil and we won't do that.

[theboomking]

I love all of the Singleton talk. I've been advocating for a Kanter, Singleton, Diebler draft for a while now. I think that would really set the table for us to add Bradley Beal, or Jeremy Lamb next year and be fairly set. Imagine the length on this team, if over the next 2 drafts, we added Kanter, Lamb, and Singleton.

PG:Wall
SG:Lamb
SF:Singleton
PF:Kanter
C:McGee

That should be a great defensive team. Your PG has the length of a SG, your SG the length of a SF, your SF the length of a PF, your PF has good length, and we all know about JaVale's length.

The problem is, it just isn't going to happen. We don't have the best odds of picking high enough to add Kanter. As such, we'd probably have to trade up, and as such, would probably have to throw in the 18th pick. Even if we do win the 1st overall pick in the lotto, I think Singleton goes a lot higher than 18 in this draft, meaning we'd have to move up to get him.

[closg00]

This may of been posted before... but this is from nbadraft.net

Jan Vesely 6-11 230 SF/PF Czech Republic 1990 The Wizards are extremely high on Vesely and it's unlikely they would allow him to slip by them at 4. He's is ultra long and athletic and has the ability to play either forward position. He's a tweener but a good tweener in the sense that he can create mismatches due to his size. He will need to add strength and could struggle some guarding on the perimeter due to lack of foot speed, but his incredible length and improving skill set make him a projected high lottery pick. He's been compared to both Dunleavy's (Mike senior and junior) due to his shooting ability and adroit ball handling skills. He has had a strong end to the season for Partizan Belgrade after starting off slowly.

I can see this being Ernie's guy considering his past picks of Nowitzki and Pecherov.

I appreciated draft.nets new extended mock taking team needs into account, don't agree with some of it, but they break it down for each team. 1st-time reading that the Wiz "are extremely high on Vesely"....probably some smoke hopefully.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011-extended-mock-draft

RealGM scouting report on Vesely, I don't want.....don't see the fit cause he doesn't have range or ball-handling skills.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011-extended-mock-draft

[Rafael122]

Btw, when is the lottery?? Is it this week?

Tuesday.