Lakers-Hawks Trade Proposal

[LakerEric]

and Horford is not better than Gasol. I don't know where you got that from. sure Horford is more Athletic and younger. but what does Horford do that is better than Gasol?

Well, checking, I see that Gasol's PER is 23 and Horford's is 21, so I'll punt that one. Still, the VALUE of Horford -- considering their PERs, Horford's salary (next year it'll be about $6.7 million less) and his youth -- has to be greater than Gasol's.

Since you're quoting me, remember this:

Guy, seriously, it's a really bad idea to trade a player for an equal-to-lesser talent, when the equal-to-lesser talent is so much older, more expensive and much LESS athletic.

Pau Gasol for Horford is a really bad idea.

Please don't tell me Jim Hollinger will make your trade decisions for you.

[parson]

Please don't tell me Jim Hollinger will make your trade decisions for you.

THAT'S your big retort?

I think most of what I've said is my opinion. Doesn't it look that way? Horford is (according to Hollinger) about equal to Gasol and, without Hollinger's help, I can see he's much younger, cheaper and much more athletic. Am I missing something?

Besides, you're looking to trade Gasol because all you Laker fans have come to realize that Gasol's lack of athleticism is dragging your team down -- true? Wasn't it Jerry West (my hand is seriously over my heart - I grew up a Laker fan) who said you weren't athletic enough and who, in the same breath - expressly mentioned Gasol's covering of Dirk?

If we trade Horford or Smith to y'all, we'll require Bynum. A top prospect at Center is valuable, so we'll add to the offers, of course, but that'd have to be the basis of any deal.

If you want another player, other than Horford or Smith, we'll talk Gasol.

[myrak433]

and Horford is not better than Gasol. I don't know where you got that from. sure Horford is more Athletic and younger. but what does Horford do that is better than Gasol?

Well, checking, I see that Gasol's PER is 23 and Horford's is 21, so I'll punt that one.


Still, the VALUE of Horford -- considering their PERs, Horford's salary (next year it'll be about $6.7 million less) and his youth -- has to be greater than Gasol's.

and that is why we would be moving Marvin with Horford.

Since you're quoting me, remember this:

Guy, seriously, it's a really bad idea to trade a player for an equal-to-lesser talent, when the equal-to-lesser talent is so much older, more expensive and much LESS athletic.

Pau Gasol is better than Horford.

Pau Gasol for Horford is a really bad idea.

that is your opinion. mine is it would be a good Idea as long as we get some bangers in free agceny to help Gasol out. i.e. Chuck Hayes, Dalembert, DeAndre Jordan, Nazr Mohammed, just to name a few.

[LakerEric]

Please don't tell me Jim Hollinger will make your trade decisions for you.

THAT'S your big retort?

I think most of what I've said is my opinion. Doesn't it look that way? Horford is (according to Hollinger) about equal to Gasol and, without Hollinger's help, I can see he's much younger, cheaper and much more athletic. Am I missing something?

Besides, you're looking to trade Gasol because all you Laker fans have come to realize that Gasol's lack of athleticism is dragging your team down -- true? Wasn't it Jerry West (my hand is seriously over my heart - I grew up a Laker fan) who said you weren't athletic enough and who, in the same breath - expressly mentioned Gasol's covering of Dirk?

If we trade Horford or Smith to y'all, we'll require Bynum. A top prospect at Center is valuable, so we'll add to the offers, of course, but that'd have to be the basis of any deal.

If you want another player, other than Horford or Smith, we'll talk Gasol.

Just not a big believer in the PER. Chris Paul has a top 5 per every year, but I don't believe he is a top 5 player. Scottie Pippen would have a great PER, despite his inability to take over a game offensively. Of course the guys that are at the top of the list are great players, but the 12th ranked guy on the PER may be better than the 4th ranked guy to me.

Gasol gives you a post presence to add to Horford. Pau is a better offensive player than Horford, but Horford does other things better. They'd do well together. With Teague emerging and Johnson, Crawford (if he resigns), your backcourt looks better. The SF would be your issue but it seems to be an issue now because you don't have a center. Smith is a tweener. I'd love his athleticism to make up for this and his shooting deficiencies. I'm also not sure if he can defend SFs well enough because he plays more PF for the Hawks. I know Deng did pretty well in the Bulls series. Smith and Hinrich for Blake and Pau is the best I can see the Lakers offering.

By the way, out of curiosity, where was Smith ranked in the PER?

[evildallas]

I've thought about it. I'd rather take our chances with what we got than help out the Lakers (or their fans) in any way. Someone else can be the Lakers farm club. I'd like to see them slide back to the early 90s form or 2004-2005 form to remind their fan base that winning isn't guaranteed. One early exit from the playoffs isn't enough of a lesson.

[LakerEric]

I've thought about it. I'd rather take our chances with what we got than help out the Lakers (or their fans) in any way. Someone else can be the Lakers farm club. I'd like to see them slide back to the early 90s form or 2004-2005 form to remind their fan base that winning isn't guaranteed. One early exit from the playoffs isn't enough of a lesson.

I know it's not guaranteed. That's why I'd like to make a deal. And I try to make the deals realistic, so that's why I came here to these boards. I still think the 2 teams can do business.

By the way, I think it would be in the best interests of your team to not think about the other team and instead worry about whether it helps your team. It really illustrates a loser mentality. And by the way, no GM in the league would call Smith and Hinrich for Gasol and Blake a steal for the Lakers. Pau is the best player in the deal, and the Hawks would benefit from his post scoring. The Lakers just need to spread their talent out a bit, as it is too frontcourt loaded.

[parson]

Tsk, tsk. You have 6 posts, you're on another team's board and yet you tell your host he has a "loser mentality." Oh, yeah, that's after declaring your trade proposal "realistic" (hint: EVERYbody thinks his own proposal is realistic.).

You have lousy athleticism -- we have pretty good athleticism, so I can see why YOU think we "can do business." Tell me, please, how this improves US enough to make it to the Eastern finals? That's what you'd have to do. We've already managed to get to the 2nd round -- we've pretty much mastered that'un. If Pau Gasol can take us to the finals, then you're helping us. If not, you're wasting our time.

And, speaking of time, this deal kills our future prospects, while greatly improving your future.

[D21]

Lakers trade Pau Gasol, Steve Blake, and Ron Artest to the Hawks for Josh Smith, Kirk Hinrich, and Zaza Pauchilia

We get one big for two of our frontcourt players, while we should try to get more bigs than now, at least one good one but without loosing Al and Josh, or if we loose one, we will need two good big to make improvement.

If you took a poll of the 30 NBA GMs, I don't think more would say Smith is better.

What's the point of only asking who is better wihtout looking at the money part ?

What has to be better ? your team, and I am not sure that a team is better with Gasol only for nearly 19M, than the same team with Josh Smith and a MLE guy instead of Gasol.

[LakerEric]

Tsk, tsk. You have 6 posts, you're on another team's board and yet you tell your host he has a "loser mentality." Oh, yeah, that's after declaring your trade proposal "realistic" (hint: EVERYbody thinks his own proposal is realistic.).

You have lousy athleticism -- we have pretty good athleticism, so I can see why YOU think we "can do business." Tell me, please, how this improves US enough to make it to the Eastern finals? That's what you'd have to do. We've already managed to get to the 2nd round -- we've pretty much mastered that'un. If Pau Gasol can take us to the finals, then you're helping us. If not, you're wasting our time.

And, speaking of time, this deal kills our future prospects, while greatly improving your future.

I think it helps the Hawks get closer to the Finals, but I agree that I probably wouldn't pick you to get there unless Teague really emerges as a stud player. If you do make a deal for Pau, you can use the MLE on a SF. But I'm not sure the Hawks will be able to make a deal for a player that will take them to the Finals without gutting their core. I'd rather have Bogut than Pau because he's younger, but it's a long shot the Bucks ship him right to an east team. And you will have to give up more than you would for Pau. If you're holding out for a deal that you think will get you to the Finals, okay. But I do think the Pau trade makes you better, just maybe not enough better to beat Miami and Chicago next year. Maybe the Hawks will consider dealing Smith to move up in the draft? Or are they going to make a push to win now? I say they keep their foot on the gas, and the Gasol move does balance their team. By the way, don't book any parades for the Lakers with the deal. Smith is not a true SF, so he only partially resolves that issue. He definitely helps at PF backing up Odom and with athleticism in general. Hinrich would help the PG spot, but he's not exactly speedy. Both teams would be better, but I wouldn't pick either one of them in the Finals probably. I'd have to go with Heat or Bulls vs. OKC in the Finals next year (albeit the prediction is before the offseason has even started).