AJC: Can the Hawks follow the Bulls' blueprint?

[HMFFL]

The Hawks need to get better. The Bulls needed to do the same last summer and Al said the Hawks might learn something from the way they went about it.

“That’s the perfect example,” he said. “They got that kid Asik. They got Korver, a shooter. They addressed their needs and got better. That’s a blueprint that I think if I’m the team I would look at.”

So let’s look at what the Bulls did last summer and see if the Hawks can copy the same formula:

Click the link to see the formula: http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2011/05/14/a ... logs_hawks

[evildallas]

Talk about oversimplification. The Bulls won the lottery (Rose), let a high former pick walk in free agency (Gordon), traded away everyone (Hinrich, James Johnson, and other deals) they could to make cap space except Taj Gibson and Noah (they lucked into not trading Deng), flirted with big offers to several free agents (Wade and James), then a second set (Redick), and finally signed a 3 group of players included Carlos Boozer, Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer, Keith Bogans). There is no way possible for the Hawks to follow that blueprint. The article touchs on some of this, but that #1 pick and letting a top pick walk because he wasn't worth the expense (Marvin?) are the big differences.

We originally were trying to follow a Detroit blueprint but that bogged down. Maybe we're closer to a Boston blueprint with big money at SG, SF, PF (Johnson, Smith, Horford), but those players accepting a PG on his rookie deal after being picked in the 20s (Teague). We just need the dirty work C to match Perkins and to have some luck with filling the bench cheaply and with 2nd round picks (instead of throwing them away like under Knight).

[Ruhiel]

yeah this is like the OKCblueprint right? smh

some teams sell success others sell hope.
1) Yes we need a Perkins-type. That would move Horford to the PF more and Josh to the SF more.

2) Now Josh is around 245 I believe. That is not optimal weight for him and he broke down towards the end. Tell him lose the weight and increase his speed in transition. Hawks management needs to make a commitment to this roster. Jason Collins will not do.

Now this would move Teague to PG. Our go to play could be going back to the PG-SF pick and roll.
Thibodeau likes to clear out all the bigs and create something for Rose as far as 2-man game.
This team should do the same, clear out one side and High pick and roll with Josh and Teague.

[Harry10]

Elton Brand - Bust, a #1 overall pick but ultimately traded away for Chandler
Marcus Fizer - Bust
Eddy Curry - Bust
Jay Williams - Bust
Kirk Hinrich - good pick
Ben Gordon - Bust
Luol Deng - good pick
Tyrus Thomas - Bust
Joakim Noah - good pick
Derrick Rose - hard to mess up a #1 pick
James Johnson - Bust

Chicago has horrible management, and they really don't know what they are doing when it comes to building a team. Chicago after Jordan has had a nack for drafting bust, they are in the lottery so many times that eventually got 3 good players, but got 7 bust and two #1 overall picks.

everybody complains about Marvin over CP3, but the Brand situation was alot worst and embarrassing because Brand was proven to be a legit star and then was traded away.

[Shootdabull]

Elton Brand - Bust, a #1 overall pick but ultimately traded away for Chandler
Marcus Fizer - Bust
Eddy Curry - Bust
Jay Williams - Bust
Kirk Hinrich - good pick
Ben Gordon - Bust
Luol Deng - good pick
Tyrus Thomas - Bust
Joakim Noah - good pick
Derrick Rose - hard to mess up a #1 pick
James Johnson - Bust

Chicago has horrible management, and they really don't know what they are doing when it comes to building a team. Chicago after Jordan has had a nack for drafting bust, they are in the lottery so many times that eventually got 3 good players, but got 7 bust and two #1 overall picks.

everybody complains about Marvin over CP3, but the Brand situation was alot worst and embarrassing because Brand was proven to be a legit star and then was traded away.

I think we put together the worst four year period in the nba history as part of this blueprint. Wins of 13,17,15 and 21 before we broke out with a 30 win season. The bulls blueprint is a painfull process and we did make lots of mistakes along the way. Ultimately, we got lucky with the rose draft, which is essentially the strategy we went for after the championship years. Keep rolling the dice until you get lucky. We did make the best of the curry sitiuation by getting back what turned into aldridge and noah. Unfortunately, no good move goes unpunished as we followed up that good luck by trading aldridge for thomas.

[FCNATL85]

hawks messed up with Marvin but you have to wonder how much he will produce on a team with more PT and more focus on him...
Anyway, looking back, this does not really matter except of course for the fact that we did not get the other Williams or CP3 who were badly needed. We got lucky though not to get to lucky with Horford when we had a chance to get Oden...That puts things in perspective.
How would you like to be the Blazers today, with Roy and Oden at 25-30% of their cumulative potential...

[Ruhiel]

from Atlanta
Marvin Williams + Kirk Hinrich + Al Horford
from Milwaukee
Larry Sanders + Andrew Bogut + John Salmons + Drew Goodens contract

reasons: Teague is commited to ala Rose minus Gordon and Hinrich/Tony Parker in San Antonio.
Bogut, Gooden, Salmons, Sanders were part of the 4th best defense in the league.

Basically become the Bucks with Josh Smith, Joe Johnson starting and moving Salmons to the bench Pachulia off the bench. Gooden for scoring. Salmons can play shooting guard, point guard next to Joe.
Still need to sign a competent backup point. and a wing (suggest Al Thornton).
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Alternatively Hawks can sign and trade Williams for Thaddeus Young?
the only centers available are scoring centers not blue collar guys who can defend and provide length.

This is the only way to follow the Bull's blueprint. The same one that wore out Miami. Very balanced and consistently as it depends on bigs playing with energy. Then you bring more bigs off the bench and keep rebounding and defending hard.

We can follow the DEFENSIVE blueprint but Horford+Williams+Hinrich needs to be traded for Bogut and Sanders and Gooden and Salmons.
or we can keep hoping Horford becomes Kendrick Perkins and Marvin/Josh can outscore every 6'10 guy that comes there way and sign budget centers and say "next year maybe" when ATL fails.

[D21]

hawks messed up with Marvin but you have to wonder how much he will produce on a team with more PT and more focus on him...

That's right that Marvin is one of the few high pick that did not get a major role on a franchise.
Nearly each high pick is 1st or 2nd offensive option, or at worst 3rd. Marvin never got that chance, and maybe it was part of not improving like hoped.

Chicago has horrible management, and they really don't know what they are doing when it comes to building a team

At least, the last time was a good one : building on two good young PG and C, with good SF, and then signing a PF.

ASG, instead of drafting a C or a PG, decided to sign a PG who was not a PG and for a max contract.
Result : he eats money and ball since he's with the team, and costs 70M + 124M + Diaw + pick of Lopez + pick of Rondo

[Ruhiel]

hawks messed up with Marvin but you have to wonder how much he will produce on a team with more PT and more focus on him...

That's right that Marvin is one of the few high pick that did not get a major role on a franchise.
Nearly each high pick is 1st or 2nd offensive option, or at worst 3rd. Marvin never got that chance, and maybe it was part of not improving like hoped.

#11 Acie Law > Thaddeus Young
#5 Shelden Williams > Brandon Roy>Rudy Gay>Rajon Rondo was also available

[Geaux_Hawks]

Elton Brand - Bust, a #1 overall pick but ultimately traded away for Chandler
Marcus Fizer - Bust
Eddy Curry - Bust
Jay Williams - Bust
Kirk Hinrich - good pick
Ben Gordon - Bust
Luol Deng - good pick
Tyrus Thomas - Bust
Joakim Noah - good pick
Derrick Rose - hard to mess up a #1 pick
James Johnson - Bust

Chicago has horrible management, and they really don't know what they are doing when it comes to building a team. Chicago after Jordan has had a nack for drafting bust, they are in the lottery so many times that eventually got 3 good players, but got 7 bust and two #1 overall picks.

everybody complains about Marvin over CP3, but the Brand situation was alot worst and embarrassing because Brand was proven to be a legit star and then was traded away.

I brought this up once before to people that say OKC & Chicago built their current teams through the draft.

Bulls basically blew about 7 or 8 lottery picks. Hawks only messed up 4 picks and 2 of those 4 weren't really bust, but just guys who didn't get opportunity to produce.

Childress was looking like the perfect glue guy and yeah we should have taken CP3 or D Will over Marvin, but I think some will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he can produce on a team giving him some spotlight.

They have had 7 picks in the top 5 in the past 10 years and failed on about 5 of them. How is that a great blue print. The recent picks are what have made the Bulls so relevant and that is mostly from the Rose pick alone. Hawks can redeem themselves by spending money more wiser..

[Ruhiel]

Can anybody else find a way to lose Marvin, get bigs to compete on the boards and fortify the bench enough to stem the loss of Crawford?

from Atlanta
Marvin Williams + Kirk Hinrich + Al Horford

from Milwaukee
Larry Sanders + Andrew Bogut + John Salmons + Drew Goodens contract

Or are people still trying to go Larry Drew's route and have us outshoot Chicago?


if anyone still thinks Atlanta can go small because there offense is more potent than
a) Dwyane Wade, b) Lebron James and c) Chris Bosh...all ears.

Gotta dominate the boards.