Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg?

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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#41 » by Mr Swagtastic » Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:15 pm

After looking at it I don't see why a west coast Canadian team needs another team close to Edmonton and Calgary. I think a team in Quebec would thrive more then the Winnipeg team.

If it happens I head that Illya Brzygalov and Shane Doan both want out. I wonder what the return would be on Doan. He's solid but I don't expect a ton maybe a 2nd round pick and a few average prospects?
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#42 » by trwi7 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:02 pm

Really, the only way another team in Canada makes sense is if it's in like Hamilton but MLSE won't allow it. Every place else is too small.

We know Canada likes hockey, in order to actually grow the sport, it needs to expand in the United States.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#43 » by KGISDAMAN » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:09 pm

WEFFPIM wrote:I'm getting tired of reiterating it, but I'll do it again...the Coyotes, in their time in Phoenix, have NEVER had a competent owner and a competent team at the same time, and have rarely had either. They have the team now, a damn good one. Now a competent owner comes along and forces beyond his and the team's control is forcing the team out.

The NHL wants to see what this team does with both in Phoenix, and the Coyotes should get that opportunity.


ya we get it, the nhl obviously wants to stay in phoenix because they feel this way too...if there was an owner that could pay for the team and not rely on the city of glendale for 100 million dollars worth of bonds to buy the team, there would be no talk of relocation and everything would be great. but that's not the case.

unless the nhl wants to cover the losses for another year ,a new potential owner comes along, or hulsizer gets help with investors the bonds are most likely not gonna sell and talk of relocation will continue. And like i keep on reiterating winnipeg is the best option for relocation the nhl has as of right now. unless im not aware of owners(that have enough money) that want to buy a team/ have an arena ready 2 go.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#44 » by Mr Swagtastic » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:28 pm

trwi7 - I agree 100% that hockey needs to grow in the States more so now then ever. Hell the US womens team just won gold again I flipped to ESPN (US Version) and they didn't even mention it. They would care more about lesser things like NASCAR then mention that. Some stuff really just makes you go WTF!

In the States I don't know where a new team could work you got the big markets covered, unless you guys can think of something I don't know. I doubt places like Ohio, Alabama, Arkansas and Kansas would be hot beds for hockey so maybe a New Hampshire team? I really don't know, I can say from going down to Trois-Rivières for work and seeing the passion for their hockey a team in Quebec would strive and do well again. Montreal and the whole Atlantic Canada side is a huge hockey market anybody will tell you that look at the talent that has come out of there and leagues like the QMJHL there are a lot of great junior leagues and the market is there. I am saying [if] The Coyotes are done[/i] I look long and hard at the pros and cons of another Quebec franchise before you decide that Winnipeg is a done deal
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#45 » by trwi7 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:33 pm

Like I said, Houston would be worth a shot. They're a huge market, they support the Aeros and they can play in the Toyota Center.

Kansas City has a brand new arena and the only competition during the season is the Chiefs who play once a week.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#46 » by Nolan » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:19 pm

trwi7 wrote:Really, the only way another team in Canada makes sense is if it's in like Hamilton but MLSE won't allow it. Every place else is too small.

We know Canada likes hockey, in order to actually grow the sport, it needs to expand in the United States.


Bettman and the NHL having trying to grow the NHL in the States for almost 20 years and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it hasn't exactly worked out.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#47 » by WEFFPIM » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:43 pm

Nolan wrote:Bettman and the NHL having trying to grow the NHL in the States for almost 20 years and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it hasn't exactly worked out.


Yes, it has. You're just focusing on the select few that aren't working.
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Post#48 » by KGISDAMAN » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:51 pm

new rumors are saying thrashers to winnipeg, with the coyotes staying in phoenix. don't know what to believe lol, i just want this over with. a byfuglien jersey would look good though!
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#49 » by WEFFPIM » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:15 am

Tom Glavine is attempting to buy the Thrashers to keep them there. And, that story you referenced about the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg cites unnamed sources, which are always trustworthy.

My thoughts on the Coyotes replicate for the Thrashers, maybe moreso since the Atlanta market is larger than the Phoenix market.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#50 » by Nolan » Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:57 am

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Nolan wrote:Bettman and the NHL having trying to grow the NHL in the States for almost 20 years and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it hasn't exactly worked out.


Yes, it has. You're just focusing on the select few that aren't working.


The only ones i'd call success stories are Nashville, Anaheim and San Jose. Out of all the sunbelt teams they're really the only ones that maintained a good fanbase through good and bad times and all of those teams have done well finacially as well.

Teams like Tampa and Carolina have done well when their teams have performed but when they were losing the fans were nowhere to be seen. And teams like Florida, Atlanta and Phoenix have just flat out failed as far as i'm concerned.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#51 » by WEFFPIM » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:42 pm

I would argue with you on Carolina, they've had a terrific fan base for awhile. And believe it or not, people won't shell out astronomical sums of money if the product's crap, which Tampa has had pretty much since they won the Cup. Plus, the other two teams in Tampa have dealt with the same issues.

You also forgot Dallas, which has been doing fine even with the ownership stuff they've dealt with. And Los Angeles, which has been there for awhile but still qualifies as a team in a nontraditional market.

It should also be mentioned that the two teams that desperately need new arenas and are having trouble getting them aren't in the sun belt (Islanders, Oilers).

The three failures you mentioned all have the same thing in common, never having a competent owner and a competent team at one time. I just don't see what's so hard to grasp about that. Canadians would argue that their time has run out, I'd argue that they haven't really had a shot yet.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#52 » by Nolan » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:26 pm

WEFFPIM wrote:I would argue with you on Carolina, they've had a terrific fan base for awhile. And believe it or not, people won't shell out astronomical sums of money if the product's crap, which Tampa has had pretty much since they won the Cup. Plus, the other two teams in Tampa have dealt with the same issues.

You also forgot Dallas, which has been doing fine even with the ownership stuff they've dealt with. And Los Angeles, which has been there for awhile but still qualifies as a team in a nontraditional market.

It should also be mentioned that the two teams that desperately need new arenas and are having trouble getting them aren't in the sun belt (Islanders, Oilers).

The three failures you mentioned all have the same thing in common, never having a competent owner and a competent team at one time. I just don't see what's so hard to grasp about that. Canadians would argue that their time has run out, I'd argue that they haven't really had a shot yet.


I did forget about Dallas, they have had some success but I really wouldn't put the Kings in the same boat as those other teams, they're a pretty established franchise.

There are plently of teams that have had horrible ownership but have still managed to make money and draw fans. The Oilers are a great example of that. Before Katz bought this team it was horribly managed and neglected. While the jurry is still out on Katz (he still hasn't gotten us a new rink) he has come in and hired competent people.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#53 » by trwi7 » Thu May 12, 2011 4:48 pm

Rumors flying all over the place that the Thrashers are going to move to Winnipeg.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#54 » by WEFFPIM » Mon May 16, 2011 6:16 pm

Starting to become very substantial now.

I'm a little confused as to why the NHL hasn't done much to try and prevent this move when they've worked so hard with the Coyotes.
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Post#55 » by darth_federer » Mon May 16, 2011 6:58 pm

WEFFPIM wrote:Starting to become very substantial now.

I'm a little confused as to why the NHL hasn't done much to try and prevent this move when they've worked so hard with the Coyotes.


Because the NHL has nothing to lose in Phoenix. Its a money pit and council stupidly continues to vote to give them 25 million every year. Atlanta is a different case.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#56 » by WEFFPIM » Mon May 16, 2011 10:14 pm

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WEFFPIM wrote:Starting to become very substantial now.

I'm a little confused as to why the NHL hasn't done much to try and prevent this move when they've worked so hard with the Coyotes.


Because the NHL has nothing to lose in Phoenix. Its a money pit and council stupidly continues to vote to give them 25 million every year. Atlanta is a different case.


You completely misunderstood my comment. The NHL is working their a** off to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix, but they seem okay with the Thrashers leaving Atlanta even though the owners have had only six months to find a new buyer.

The NHL has plenty to lose in both situations.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#57 » by Nolan » Mon May 16, 2011 10:21 pm

It seems that the rumours surrounding the Thrashers were started by some 17 year old kid in Edmonton. It's amazing how twitter and the social media can blow things out of proportion so quickly.

On another note I really think the NHL should look to relocate the Thrashers regardless. No one there wants the team so give them to a city that wants a team.
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Re: Are the Coyotes headed back to Winnipeg? 

Post#58 » by trwi7 » Tue May 17, 2011 12:22 am

I'd gladly give up the Bucks for an NHL team. :D
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