Chris Webber Lambastes ATL Front Office (undersized)

[Ruhiel]

Never saw it posted following Game 6 but now

Does anyone have video of this. He basically says the Hawks are undersized and the coach took them as far as they could go. He said its not Smith or Horford's fault they get beaten on the glass.

I agree with him to an extent - HOWEVER he failed to mention JJ's $18mil.
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With Horford's extension and Chicago's frontcourt dominance this creates a domino effect. We have too much commited to non-frontcourt players. However, Teague and Smith's emergence (at PointGuard and QuickForward) helps our flexibility and potential for immediate growth over the course of an 82 game season going forward.
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This is my trade proposal that has seen much aplomb on the Milwaukee board.

from Atlanta
Marvin Williams + Kirk Hinrich + Al Horford
from Milwaukee
Larry Sanders + Andrew Bogut + John Salmons + Drew Goodens contract

Jeff Teague/John Salmons (big guards that can post up Derrick Rose)
Joe Johnson/John Salmons/Travis Leslie? (big guards that can post up Derrick Rose)
Josh Smith (228-230lbs)/John Salmons
Larry Sanders/Josh Smith/Gooden
Andrew Bogut/Zaza Pachulia/Jason Collins/Gooden
::::::+draft blue collar bigs, guards, (have enough forwards)

Milwaukee fans were very receptive to this. Hawks fans will have Sanders who has a much longer wingspan and room to increase strength (compared to Smith)(potential)
and Bogut’s wingspan, man to man and overall Defensive Awareness and strength are better than Horford’s.
Milwaukee gets an athletic center, and loses their 5-year contracts we match up with anyone in the league.

-obviously JC will walk, hopefully he has a future with the organization but due to the contract JJ received we cannot commit much salary to scorers with Salmons aboard.
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In summary Joe Johnson's age puts the franchise in win-now mode. Bucks get the option to put a relatively young Marvin Williams at the shooting guard we get to put John Salmons and Joe Johnson as a big backcourt to post up Rose and other backcourts in the playoffs.

We also get Milwaukee's frontcourt which was the 4th best Defensive Efficiency frontcourt despite Drew Gooden.
Atlanta basically becomes Milwaukee + Joe Johnson + Josh Smith + Jeff Teague. yikes
+This is assuming Josh Smith bulks down to about 228,230 or 235 at most. His speed is his greatest asset on offense.
+ His elevation and speed have deteriorated, in the past when he was stuck outside he could do a quick spin or pull up for a good TS% jump shot. He now basically shoots a set shot, which is bad for a left handed rhythm shooter. A byproduct of him bulking up.
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+We now have defensive personell to hire a defensive coach.
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If all else fails Joe will be in his 30s and Josh, Bogut, Sanders will be entering their primes.

[Ruhiel]

so what do you guys think?
The chance to start Teague get a true center and compete with Chicago's defense is to big to pass up.

Chicago allowed 97.4 points per game. 1st
Milwaukee allowed 99.9 points per game. 4th

Boston allowed 97.8 points per game. 2nd
Orlando allowed 99.1 points per game. 3rd
Milwaukee allowed 99.9 points per game. 4th
Miami allowed 100.7 points per game. 5th
Atlanta allowed 104.6 points per game. 15th, middle of the pack, mediocre
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7 Dallas 102.3
8 New Orleans 102.5
Memphis 102.5
Philadelphia 102.5
11 San Antonio 102.8
12 Indiana 103.4
13 Oklahoma City 104.0
14 Portland 104.2
15 Atlanta 104.6
Denver 104.8
Charlotte 104.8
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So that's where we are against NBA teams.
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no idea what would the depth chart would look like...

Jeff Teague/John Salmons
Joe Johnson/Travis Leslie?
Josh Smith (228-230lbs)/John Salmons/Joe Johnson
Larry Sanders/Josh Smith/Drew Gooden
Andrew Bogut/Zaza Pachulia/6'11 blue collar draft pick

[Bucked19]

We need get Wilson Chandler and Bogut somehow.

[geeman]

Not sexy, but I like it. I balances our team linup

[Ruhiel]

We need get Wilson Chandler and Bogut somehow.

I think Chandler commands a salary like Marvin Williams this offseason.

we need a backup ala CJ Watson, and defensive bigs, wings, and maybe a sharpshooter/transition player.

all I'm getting is Al Thornton who should be $1 mil. Draft would be great to get a Semih Erden type. Maybe Erden for cash and the pick?

Lots of bigs and an already balanced defensive roster is a great problem to have. and one the Hawks obviously don't have.

[parson]

Milwaukee fans were very receptive to this.

Well, of course. Almost all of them admit Horford's better than Bogut. We should listen to that. The way fans are homers and overrate their own players, it's instructive to read their comments about how much they'd rather have Horford than Bogut. Many times, they've said they'd take Horford for Bogut straight up, without Salmons or Gooden or Maggette.

The numbers 82, 66, 78, 36, 69 and 65 are important to this debate. They're the number of games Bogut's played each season. Notice he came in healthy and has been getting beat up ever since. He's up one season, which beats him up for the next.

Bogut's a gamble. That's why I'd trade Smith for him, but not Horford, because Smith's a gamble, as well. We don't know if we'll get "J-Smoove" or Josh Smith. Even after 7 years, he still hasn't decided who he is.

[Ruhiel]

Milwaukee fans were very receptive to this.

Well, of course. Almost all of them admit Horford's better than Bogut. We should listen to that. The way fans are homers and overrate their own players, it's instructive to read their comments about how much they'd rather have Horford than Bogut. Many times, they've said they'd take Horford for Bogut straight up, without Salmons or Gooden.

The trade was not Horford for Bogut. That would leave ATL
Hinrich/Johnson/Smith/Williams/Bogut
Hawks would still be a donut at the 3/4 position and we would have no bench.
Trading Josh for Bogut gives the Bucks no center and leaves them with.
Jennings/Delfino/Ilyasova/Smith/Gooden
That is not realistic and is a terrible transition defensive unit that relies on Smith's blocking shots for any semblance of defense and hitting 3 point shots to stay in the game.

Terrible game plan that closely resembles the Hawks game plan.

The numbers 82, 66, 78, 36, 69 and 65 are important to this debate. They're the number of games Bogut's played each season. Notice he came in healthy and has been getting beat up ever since. He's up one season, which beats him up for the next.

Bogut was healthy last season until the elbow injury caused by Amare. He was on pace for 82 games last year and is a reason, along with Ridnour, that they made the playoffs. Horford is a better scorer but is a nonvoid defender vice versa with Bogut.
Bogut is a Joakim Noah type player, Joe Johnson was advocating.
J.J. seemed to hit on a similar theme when asked about the team’s needs.
“For us it’s guys like blue-collar guys, guys who do a lot of dirty work and do a lot of things that don’t show up in stat book,” J.J. said. “Those are the kind of guys that can help us out. We will see what happens. We’ve gotten better each year. Our postseason [this year] was probably the best it’s been.”
When Horford's jump shot is falling he becomes little more than a defensive body that will eventually give up points.
Tough changes need to be made. Horford becomes Bogut and Salmons. Williams becomes Sanders and Gooden.

Bogut's a gamble. That's why I'd trade Smith for him, but not Horford, because Smith's a gamble, as well. We don't know if we'll get "J-Smoove" or Josh Smith. Even after 7 years, he still hasn't decided who he is.

Smith is not a gamble. He doesn't know who he is because one day he'll be the 225 power forward who wants to be a slasher and defensive small forward then the next season they'll tell him to get bigger so he can guard Joakim Noah. Then they'll go and start Jason Collins and switch Josh to the slasher defensive small forward again and he's missing his speed now.
Maybe the organization needs to figure out that we need defense and rebounding to win and not Marvin Williams starting at the 3 contributing nothing and putting all the pressure on the 4/5.
That's what the thread is about.
Everyone knows we're playing guys out of position. Williams shows his best games at shooting guard. Smith gives up too much at power forward and had to guard Joakim Noah. Horford can't guard Howard, can't guard Joakim the next, can't guard Asik a back up. etc.

If we trade Josh we still have Marvin at the three and no way to upgrade that position to match up defensively/offensively with Lebron or Deng. If we ever get that far in the playoffs again.

Teague (PG-training-commitment)/Johnson/Smith(lighter)/Sanders/Bogut

I heard all that LD told Teague in the exit interview was work on his 3 pt shot. Is that commitment to u? Teague just posted a 17.6 PER in 30 minutes on the league MVP.

We need to make these trades and commit to this roster. Horford, Williams, Pachulia is not as conducive to defending/rebounding/winning now as Bogut, Sanders, Smith. with Pachulia off the bench, Salmons, off the bench and Gooden off the bench.

If this team trades Smith they crapped out. I see no other defensive bigs available. And there are no Nowitzki's or Randolph's or Blake Griffin's available. Only Aldridge's, Al Jeffersons, Jason Thompson's etc. scoring power forwards who are inconsistent on both ends (especially defense and then they try to make up for it by scoring).

This is our only way to improve defensively and commit to winning now. If you have any other trade proposals we should discuss them. But only Bogut for Smith is not thoroughly thought out.

[Geaux_Hawks]

If they agreed to give up Sanders in the deal, then I say it gives Atlanta even more incentive to do it. Since I know the majority didn't agree to give him up, I would definitely like to get Ersan Ilyasova. He can provide some offense off the bench as a pick and pop weapon/ spot shooter(basically what Horford excels in), rebounds quite as effective as Horford does, and probably provides the same amount of D.

Teague/Hinirch/Scotty Reynolds(DL guy)
Joe/Salmons/Reggie Williams(Cheap perimeter shooting)
Salmons/Justin Harper(Draft)/Wilkins
Josh/Ersan/Rolle/Harper
Bogut/Gooden/Collins/Rolle

69,359,493 committed to Teague, Hinrich, Joe, Salmons, Josh, Ersan,Bogut, Gooden is good enough for management to ride into the tax for those other cheap bench guys. That's a strong team right there. Bogut's extra presence solidifies our overall D and Salmons is a good defender/scorer himself. Gooden gives us more veteran experience and improves the bench. This has basically been my dream scenario. If we could get a team that would take Hinrich along with a future 2nd round pick and cut Him, so we can re-sign him, then that helps as well in salary.

[parson]

Trading Josh for Bogut gives the Bucks no center and leaves them with.
Jennings/Delfino/Ilyasova/Smith/Gooden

They would hesitate to trade Sanders because they think he's a Center prospect. He's one major reason they're talking about trading Bogut. Maybe you'd better talk to them about trading BOTH Sanders and Bogut.

Bogut was healthy last season until the elbow injury caused by Amare.

Yeah, I bet he's been healthy for each of the past FIVE seasons until he got injured.

Smith is not a gamble. He doesn't know who he is because one day he'll be the 225 power forward who wants to be a slasher and defensive small forward then the next season they'll tell him to get bigger so he can guard Joakim Noah. Then they'll go and start Jason Collins and switch Josh to the slasher defensive small forward again and he's missing his speed now.
Maybe the organization needs to figure out ...

It's not the organization's fault - that fault sits squarely on Smith's shoulder. EVERYONE tells him who he is - the fans scream it at games, Hubie Brown (among others) shouts it when he's covering our games, even the TNT crew complain about it before and after our games.

This is our only way to improve defensively and commit to winning now. If you have any other trade proposals we should discuss them. But only Bogut for Smith is not thoroughly thought out.

Pairing Bogut with Horford makes us solid down low both defensively and offensively. We'd rebound better, block shots almost as well and we'd score more down low. Very few teams are solid at both the 4 and the 5. We'd exploit whichever position the other team's weakness appeared. The lack of superior size at the 4 and 5 is the single biggest weakness on our team.

Would I try to trade Joe 1st and move Marvelous to SG? You betcha. But I do not gamble on Josh Smith growing up when I already have a grown Al Horford.

I think some here are overreacting to the end of this one season for Horford. Yeah, he looked as if something might be wrong. In the 4 years we've had him, that one season-ending period - where he played soft - seems like an anomaly. The gamble is that, in the 7 seasons we've had Josh Smith, that maybe his shorter season-ending period (part of 2 games) is also an anomaly.

[Ruhiel]

Trading Josh for Bogut gives the Bucks no center and leaves them with.
Jennings/Delfino/Ilyasova/Smith/Gooden

They would hesitate to trade Sanders because they think he's a Center prospect. He's one major reason they're talking about trading Bogut. Maybe you'd better talk to them about trading BOTH Sanders and Bogut.

The Milwaukee board jumped on it. They get rid of backups that would help us but hurt them. And also get Hinrich's shorter contract.

We get to develop Teague and Sanders. Combined with Smith we have many trade assets that we could move to perhaps get a Chris Paul? and still be sound defensively.
We do not get that by sitting on Marvin Williams and Hinrich. We have too many jump shooters on this team and not enough defensive players

Smith is not a gamble. He doesn't know who he is because one day he'll be the 225 power forward who wants to be a slasher and defensive small forward then the next season they'll tell him to get bigger so he can guard Joakim Noah. Then they'll go and start Jason Collins and switch Josh to the slasher defensive small forward again and he's missing his speed now.
Maybe the organization needs to figure out ...

It's not the organization's fault - that fault sits squarely on Smith's shoulder. EVERYONE tells him who he is - the fans scream it at games, Hubie Brown (among others) shouts it when he's covering our games, even the TNT crew complain about it before and after our games.

I think you misunderstand me. The organization just now figures out they need a center to get past Orlando, Boston's, the L.A.'s, and Chicagos.
The organization makes Smith defend power forwards and makes him defend centers. It's his fault for bulking up to help him defend the 4s and 5s.
By definition and best fit he's a small defensive forward. I mentioned nothing about jump shooting. That's one heck of a Freudian slip.
Unless you can trade Marvin Williams for a good SF that offsets Smith and Horford at the 4 and 5 or a good PF who offsets Horford at the 5 and moves Smith to the 3. Then the Hawks are done as an undersized offensive team. They might as well move to a defensive team that runs and pounds glass and has JJ and Teague knock down shots/create.

This is our only way to improve defensively and commit to winning now. If you have any other trade proposals we should discuss them. But only Bogut for Smith is not thoroughly thought out.

Pairing Bogut with Horford makes us solid down low both defensively and offensively. We'd rebound better, block shots almost as well and we'd score more down low. Very few teams are solid at both the 4 and the 5. We'd exploit whichever position the other team's weakness appeared. The lack of superior size at the 4 and 5 is the single biggest weakness on our team.

I would like very much to have Horford's shooting and Bogut's defense. Only one problem. Marvin Williams at the 3. Unless its Kirk Hinrich and Marvin Williams for Bogut I don't see the defense offsetting. Our lack of ability to get to the free throw line or lack of rebounding from the line or ability to draw double coverage etc.
Marvin Williams presence offsets anything on defense he is a shooter first and is subpar rebounder.
Sanders/Gooden is an upgrade in our bench and from Marvin. This move allows us to upgrade depth as well.

Would I try to trade Joe 1st and move Marvelous to SG? You betcha. But I do not gamble on Josh Smith growing up when I already have a grown Al Horford.

Josh Smith not taking shots = Ben Wallace without the strength. Josh Smith has already grown up. He's 245 because the organization said lets try keeping Marvin at the 3 for jump shooting purposes. Then we lose by 25+ to Orlando and the best we can do is resign Jason Collins.

It's the organization that has not made any changes. The bigger and stronger Smith gets to play PF the slower he becomes. The slower one becomes the more they rely on their jump shot.
Smith is not built to carry weight like or be as strong as Ben Wallace.

I think some here are overreacting to the end of this one season for Horford. Yeah, he looked as if something might be wrong. In the 4 years we've had him, that one season-ending period - where he played soft - seems like an anomaly. The gamble is that, in the 7 seasons we've had Josh Smith, that maybe his shorter season-ending period (part of 2 games) is also an anomaly.

I never said Horford played soft. Horford has average size and average wingspan and average strength even for a 4man.
Horford is 6'9.75 with 7'0.75 wingspan. David Lee is 6'9 with a 7'0 wingspan. They are similar players.
Also he compares to Amare Stoudemire minus a quarter inch on height and 1 inch on wingspan.

Horford is basically Amare on defense without the wingspan to dunk it or the high release. Can slide his feet and block shots on switch outs. Liability defensively against length. Relies on offense for impact.
Horford and Amare have similar defensive tools. Only Amare can hide it with spin moves, jump shots, finger rolls to get defenders in foul trouble.

Horford has less length and gets blocked. They had the same vert when drafted only Amare has more length. Sad but true.
Williams, Horford, Bogut/Pachulia can be solid in the playoffs but that's when we need elite length and offensive boards. Josh Smith, Sanders, Bogut, Gooden, Pachulia can be elite.
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Horford's average PER in 4 years of playoffs has been 15.4. He will never be a 20ppg scorer or even a psuedo-star. He will just be solid ie not too good, not too bad, ie mediocre ie what the Atlanta Hawks have been.
Horford's performances are not an anomaly. The rose-colored goggles show that he shows heart when he dunks on the Bucks or Celtics or Ryan Anderson. But taking the goggles off shows Horford personifies the Hawks. Consistent but not elite or outstanding.

[Geaux_Hawks]

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This is our only way to improve defensively and commit to winning now. If you have any other trade proposals we should discuss them. But only Bogut for Smith is not thoroughly thought out.

Pairing Bogut with Horford makes us solid down low both defensively and offensively. We'd rebound better, block shots almost as well and we'd score more down low. Very few teams are solid at both the 4 and the 5. We'd exploit whichever position the other team's weakness appeared. The lack of superior size at the 4 and 5 is the single biggest weakness on our team.

Would I try to trade Joe 1st and move Marvelous to SG? You betcha. But I do not gamble on Josh Smith growing up when I already have a grown Al Horford.

I think some here are overreacting to the end of this one season for Horford. Yeah, he looked as if something might be wrong. In the 4 years we've had him, that one season-ending period - where he played soft - seems like an anomaly. The gamble is that, in the 7 seasons we've had Josh Smith, that maybe his shorter season-ending period (part of 2 games) is also an anomaly.

Well how can you say we will be better, when Horford hasn't dominated no big name guy yet?!?! Every since Amare showed him up, Horford has gone on the decline IMO. His post move repertoire is so limited and lacks polish.

I'm not trying to seem so bias towards Josh, but how can Horford have so much love, but yet fails time after time in the playoffs or against quality competition. This isn't the first season he didn't produce either, but it is one where he has had ample amounts of time at PF.

If the Hawks did acquire, then when Bogut is not in the game, we won't have a presence in the paint, offensively or defensively. The bold text above gets improved solely off of having Bogut, whether he is next to Horford or Smith. Based off of that, I think I would rather have a wise Josh Smith over a more aggressive Al Horford. You can teach better shot selection, but can't teach aggressiveness. Then again that is only my opinion.

Post season #'s: 11/9, 1 BPG, 3 APG or 15/8, 2 BPG, 3 APG, 1 SPG..

[Ruhiel]

It's that he's not aggressive he just doesn't have the tools. Not enough length to shoot/dunk over defenders.

Not enough speed to get around. Maybe he needs to work on his 3 point shot but still we need defenders and rebounders not Bargnani.

I'm saying Horford, Hinrich, and Williams for Sanders,Bogut,Gooden, and Salmons.
Are bench will be demolished without Joe and Hinrich/Bibby is stop-gapping Teague's development.

Once Smith is gone for an offensive center ie Kaman. Horford gives us his 15 and 10 (at best) against elite defensive teams in the playoffs. Who's going to help us at SF? Marvin Williams?
and who will be our bench?
This team is s.o.o.l. with Horford he is Stoudemire without the wingspan to dunk it or shoot over/get around his defender.
just doesn't have the tools to dominate in the post. Might as well work on his 3 ball.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Ruhiel I don't think they want to get rid of Sanders and Horford is no where near Amare even if they had the same wingspan. Amare is a far better athlete.

Why give up Hinrich as well? He is more useful to us than just being a filler.

Marvin for Bargnani should be something the Hawks look into. I'm most likely the only one that thinks Bargs can help us out.

[parson]

Would I try to trade Joe 1st and move Marvelous to SG? You betcha. But I do not gamble on Josh Smith growing up when I already have a grown Al Horford.

Josh Smith not taking shots = Ben Wallace without the strength. Josh Smith has already grown up. He's 245 because the organization said lets try keeping Marvin at the 3 for jump shooting purposes. Then we lose by 25+ to Orlando and the best we can do is resign Jason Collins.

J-Smoove is a child. Josh Smith is the one who has the potential to grow up. I'm saying it's risky to gamble on Smith growing up - emotionally.

[Harry10]

^ oh great, trade Josh and the Hawks have Horford's sorry, worthless a$ in the post doing nothing, not rebounding, blocking shots, or having any short of post game.

Josh has problems, but atleast when he plays the Hawks win, but even if Horford tries his hardest, he can't do anything against elite compitition, and gets eaten up and dominated.

[Ruhiel]

Would I try to trade Joe 1st and move Marvelous to SG? You betcha. But I do not gamble on Josh Smith growing up when I already have a grown Al Horford.

Josh Smith not taking shots = Ben Wallace without the strength. Josh Smith has already grown up. He's 245 because the organization said lets try keeping Marvin at the 3 for jump shooting purposes. Then we lose by 25+ to Orlando and the best we can do is resign Jason Collins.

J-Smoove is a child. Josh Smith is the one who has the potential to grow up. I'm saying it's risky to gamble on Smith growing up - emotionally.

One day he's grown up the next he's a baby.
I'm not buying this J-Smoove, Josh Smith yellow journalism BS.
This isn't Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. J-Smoove is a nickname his announcers gave him.

Smith has grown up. Now it's the management's turn. Jason Collins impact > Marvin Williams impact smh.

[johnny878]

Trading Josh for Bogut gives the Bucks no center and leaves them with.
Jennings/Delfino/Ilyasova/Smith/Gooden

They would hesitate to trade Sanders because they think he's a Center prospect. He's one major reason they're talking about trading Bogut. Maybe you'd better talk to them about trading BOTH Sanders and Bogut.

Bogut was healthy last season until the elbow injury caused by Amare.

Yeah, I bet he's been healthy for each of the past FIVE seasons until he got injured.

Smith is not a gamble. He doesn't know who he is because one day he'll be the 225 power forward who wants to be a slasher and defensive small forward then the next season they'll tell him to get bigger so he can guard Joakim Noah. Then they'll go and start Jason Collins and switch Josh to the slasher defensive small forward again and he's missing his speed now.
Maybe the organization needs to figure out ...

It's not the organization's fault - that fault sits squarely on Smith's shoulder. EVERYONE tells him who he is - the fans scream it at games, Hubie Brown (among others) shouts it when he's covering our games, even the TNT crew complain about it before and after our games.

This is our only way to improve defensively and commit to winning now. If you have any other trade proposals we should discuss them. But only Bogut for Smith is not thoroughly thought out.

Pairing Bogut with Horford makes us solid down low both defensively and offensively. We'd rebound better, block shots almost as well and we'd score more down low. Very few teams are solid at both the 4 and the 5. We'd exploit whichever position the other team's weakness appeared. The lack of superior size at the 4 and 5 is the single biggest weakness on our team.

Would I try to trade Joe 1st and move Marvelous to SG? You betcha. But I do not gamble on Josh Smith growing up when I already have a grown Al Horford.

I think some here are overreacting to the end of this one season for Horford. Yeah, he looked as if something might be wrong. In the 4 years we've had him, that one season-ending period - where he played soft - seems like an anomaly. The gamble is that, in the 7 seasons we've had Josh Smith, that maybe his shorter season-ending period (part of 2 games) is also an anomaly.

just like Horford was able to exploit playing against ryan anderson and brandon bass right??? He looked lost everytime he even tried to make a post move on either. and they arent even starting calibre PF. Josh is better defensively and offensively at the 4.

horford looked real grown up in the playoffs when he flat out gave up and was so lazy that he couldnt even in bound the ball. kid is a quitter. Jamal was shooting bad, but he atleast tried. Horford is an empty numbers guy. no real substance to what the dude brings on the court.

[jagstang76]

You guys are freaking out over this end of the season! Horford just made 3rd All-NBA Team AS A CENTER. Maybe it's not the players that are to blame but the organization and coach that hasn't figured out how to put them together and utilize them best. Horford's performance was troubling, but he had to make a transition in the middle of playoff basketball - does that sound like a logical time to change things? Josh was in the same boat. Why does everyone wince at Josh shooting from outside WHEN HE'S PLAYING THE 3? I know he can't shoot from out there, but a SF generally should take those shots when they get the open look, right?

Look, the switch to a bigger lineup worked against ORL. That's all well and good. The problem though is can these guys actually play better consistently if we played them at those positions for a whole season. I question that thinking. Horford is as much of a tweener as Josh is in that he's not big enough to handle true Cs and isn't skilled enough to be effective at the 4. Perhaps he's able to work on his low post game and come back with a chance at it. But right now, he's a very athletic 5 who is able to do very well because of his energy.

Josh is more frustrating to me because he has the physical tools to be dominant but not the emotional discipline to take advantage of his abilities. I'd love to see how he'd play next to Howard because I think he'd play up to his potential. He could work on his shooting and get a bit more consistent, but that doesn't seem likely after 7 years. If we could find a role for him where he can shed a few pounds and play the 3 but not have to shoot... But the problem then becomes having enough shooting on the floor. Teague isn't a shooter, Al tries to be, and unless we get a shooter for a C, I don't think it's balanced enough.

So, I like the idea of having Bogut, but the only issue I have is will we have enough shooting. We could be just as one-dimensional as we are now. What we need is a guy like Prince to play the 3 if we do make a move towards a true C.