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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#201 » by Ruzious » Wed May 18, 2011 12:27 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Looks like CLE ended up making the best deadline move since it resulted in their getting the #1 overall pick. Dan Gilbert's revenge begins!

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True that. I hate Cleve, but kudos to young Gilbert. They could end up with both Irving and Kanter - an amazing draft in a terrible draft year.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#202 » by verbal8 » Wed May 18, 2011 12:29 pm

Utah is in a position to make the draft really interesting.

I think the Cavs have to take Irving at 1 and the Wolves Williams at 2(even they trade him).

Utah probably drafts Knight or Walker if they use the pick for themselves. However the Cavs don't and likely want Kanter a lot more than the other options. So the Jazz could draft Kanter and get a decent return to move down one spot.

Sitting at 4 they still have the PG options on the board. If they decide to go with Devin Harris next year, they really could keep on wheeling and dealing. They probably get a little from the Raptors, so they can pick the 2nd PG on their board. At that point I think the Kings are very interested in moving up from 7 to 5 to pick the remaining to PG.

And all these moves would not take into account doing anything with the 12th pick.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#203 » by Ruzious » Wed May 18, 2011 12:29 pm

spaceman_E wrote:Assuming Dwight is gone, why would either team reject this?

Nate Robinson(exp), Harden, Ibaka, Perkins for Dwight Howard.

Orlando gets very good talent that is also young and would remain competitive with that front line. OKC would have the REAL big 3 and still have roleplayers leftover in Thabo and Collison plus the rest of the offseason to plug holes.

Yup. Not too shabby. Harden and Ibaka are great trading pieces for Howard.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#204 » by Rafael122 » Wed May 18, 2011 1:31 pm

I could see Utah taking Knight or Walker at 3, I could see Cleveland taking Jonas at 4, and Toronto taking Knight at 5 leaving us with Kanter at 6. That's probably the only scenario I could see happening, otherwise its Irving/Williams/Walker or Knight/Kanter/Knight or Walker/???
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#205 » by LyricalRico » Wed May 18, 2011 1:32 pm

verbal8 wrote:Utah is in a position to make the draft really interesting.

I think the Cavs have to take Irving at 1 and the Wolves Williams at 2(even they trade him).

Utah probably drafts Knight or Walker if they use the pick for themselves. However the Cavs don't and likely want Kanter a lot more than the other options. So the Jazz could draft Kanter and get a decent return to move down one spot.

Sitting at 4 they still have the PG options on the board. If they decide to go with Devin Harris next year, they really could keep on wheeling and dealing. They probably get a little from the Raptors, so they can pick the 2nd PG on their board. At that point I think the Kings are very interested in moving up from 7 to 5 to pick the remaining to PG.

And all these moves would not take into account doing anything with the 12th pick.


What about using the 12 to move up a spot to get Williams, assuming they see him as a SF? Might not be the whole deal (Minny might have to send something else to Utah) but as a framework?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#206 » by spaceman_E » Thu May 19, 2011 4:35 am

Rico, 2 + 20 for 3 + 12. But the reports said the Wolves want a vet so I imagine option B would be to just draft Williams at 2 rather than make that deal.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#207 » by LyricalRico » Thu May 19, 2011 7:09 pm

Parker says that age has finally caught up with the Spurs.

"At the start of the season I said this was our last chance," he said.

"Tim and Gino (Manu Ginobili) are getting old. It's going to be tough to regenerate ourselves.

"We will always have a good team but we can no longer say that we're playing for a championship."


http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/i ... /arti.html

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Could Parker now try to force a trade? It would certainly be easier for NY to get him than Chris Paul, and he'd be easier on their future salary cap. Parker for Billups works straight up and would give the Spurs a vet PG to make one last run with and then the cap room in 2012 to start rebuilding.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#208 » by verbal8 » Fri May 20, 2011 11:18 am

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Parker says that age has finally caught up with the Spurs.

"At the start of the season I said this was our last chance," he said.

"Tim and Gino (Manu Ginobili) are getting old. It's going to be tough to regenerate ourselves.

"We will always have a good team but we can no longer say that we're playing for a championship."


http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/i ... /arti.html

:o

Could Parker now try to force a trade? It would certainly be easier for NY to get him than Chris Paul, and he'd be easier on their future salary cap. Parker for Billups works straight up and would give the Spurs a vet PG to make one last run with and then the cap room in 2012 to start rebuilding.


If I was the Spurs I would push to add Bonner and Landry Fields to the swap. If there is some type of salary exception in the new CBA, the Knicks probably sign Wilson Chandler, which would fill the void that dealing Fields would leave. For the Spurs they get out of a long term deal and they get a cheap building block. They already have a decent young core of George Hill, Splitter, James Anderson, Gary Neal and Blair. Maybe there isn't an all-star in that group, but it looks like a good supporting cast to me.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#209 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Fri May 20, 2011 7:08 pm

There's been plenty of debate over Presti's "OKC model" for rebuilding, debating its skill vs. luck. But this is a good, short and sweet article that highlights how he's put together his supporting cast; the cast that pretty much won them game 2 last night.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/05/20/hard-to-find-fault-with-prestis-moves-in-okc/?sct=hp_t12_a1&eref=sihp

(although it seemed at times Collison was tryin his darndest to lose, missing 2 freebies and fouling Dirk on a 3)
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#210 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun May 22, 2011 2:29 pm

Jerry West joining GS front office in advisory role.


I'd like to see the Wizards bring in John Thompson in a similar role. I mean he is here, and has a ton on knowledge, why not utilize it?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#211 » by fishercob » Sun May 22, 2011 5:45 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Jerry West joining GS front office in advisory role.


I'd like to see the Wizards bring in John Thompson in a similar role. I mean he is here, and has a ton on knowledge, why not utilize it?


I'd cancel my tickets. Big John has no business near a microphone, let alone an NBA front office.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#212 » by BigA » Sun May 22, 2011 5:56 pm

If Kevin McHale gets hired as a GM, that would be a big first step for the Celtics in their rebuild.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#213 » by LyricalRico » Mon May 23, 2011 8:14 pm

Plucked this from another thread:

NBADraft.net Forums wrote wrote:I heard a sports radio host in Philadelphia say that the Sixers were openly discussing trading Andre Iguadola to the Utah Jazz for The # 3 pick in the 2011 draft, he said Jodi Meeks and Spencer Hawes(who would have to agree to a sign and trade) would be involved too, The Sixers would take back Memhet Okur and select another Turkish prospect Enes Kanter to play C.


Cap concerns aside (no sign and trades can happen on draft night), Iggy+filler to Utah for Okur+3 is great value for Philly IMO. If Turner can improve his game, they may not miss a beat and their future would look pretty good.

Kanter/Okur
Brand/Speights
Young/Honeycutt
Turner/Williams
Holliday/Williams

The problem I see for Utah is they aren't going to be able to get Knight or Walker at #12. Of course, they could see Devin Harris as their PG which would make that point moot.

My next question would be - do they see Iggy as a SF or SG? If they think he can work at SG, they could still do something like Milsap+Bell for Granger.

Jefferson/Hawes (or FA)
Favors/FA
Granger/Heyward
Iggy/Miles
Harris/Price

Lots of solid individual players, but no clear #1 option so I'm not sure how they would mesh as a group. But it's a heckuva talent infusion and the individual pieces would have value in future deals. They would also maintain their longterm cap flexibility since all of those guys only have 2-3 years left on their deals.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#214 » by closg00 » Mon May 23, 2011 8:30 pm

Rich Cho fired as GM of the Blazers, are they planning on bringing-back Pritchard right on-time for the draft?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#215 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon May 23, 2011 8:47 pm

Cho (and I have to admit I did, too) wanted Roy suspended during their playoffs. Roy made comments about his playing time (before he had a big game). There was apparently a power struggle between the GM and Coach McMillan.

I think the GM lost.
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Post#216 » by closg00 » Tue May 24, 2011 12:44 pm

It appears to me that the Blazers owner is the problem, Paul Allen appears to be a real whimsical prick. But hey, it's his team.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#217 » by LyricalRico » Wed May 25, 2011 1:34 pm

The Lakers have put together a deal to hire former Cleveland Cavaliers coach Mike Brown as their new coach, an NBA official who was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter said late Tuesday.

If Brown agrees to the deal, he'll sign a contract worth between $4 million and $4.5 million per season, the official said. Brown would sign for three years, with a team option on the fourth season that would give him partial pay if he was not retained.

Brown, 41, became the front-runner because Jim Buss, the team's executive vice president of player personnel, was impressed with his defense-minded style.


http://www.foxsportswest.com/msn/05/25/ ... &gt1=39002

Mr Potato Head? Really? In the words of Mark Jackson: "C'mon, Dr Buss. You're better than that!"

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#218 » by verbal8 » Wed May 25, 2011 2:18 pm

LyricalRico wrote:http://www.foxsportswest.com/msn/05/25/ ... &gt1=39002

Mr Potato Head? Really? In the words of Mark Jackson: "C'mon, Dr Buss. You're better than that!"

:crazy:


He is not an exciting hire, but he seemed to be a decent coach with the Cavs.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#219 » by jimij » Wed May 25, 2011 3:26 pm

verbal8 wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:http://www.foxsportswest.com/msn/05/25/ ... &gt1=39002

Mr Potato Head? Really? In the words of Mark Jackson: "C'mon, Dr Buss. You're better than that!"

:crazy:


He is not an exciting hire, but he seemed to be a decent coach with the Cavs.


Well at least he's used to dealing with an egotistical, arrogant star player....
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#220 » by FAH1223 » Wed May 25, 2011 4:41 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
The Lakers have put together a deal to hire former Cleveland Cavaliers coach Mike Brown as their new coach, an NBA official who was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter said late Tuesday.

If Brown agrees to the deal, he'll sign a contract worth between $4 million and $4.5 million per season, the official said. Brown would sign for three years, with a team option on the fourth season that would give him partial pay if he was not retained.

Brown, 41, became the front-runner because Jim Buss, the team's executive vice president of player personnel, was impressed with his defense-minded style.


http://www.foxsportswest.com/msn/05/25/ ... &gt1=39002

Mr Potato Head? Really? In the words of Mark Jackson: "C'mon, Dr Buss. You're better than that!"

:crazy:


I guess they don't believe in Brian Shaw... and the Lakers defense sucked this past post season, they could use a change of philosophy
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