2011 DRAFT blather goes here. Part 3...

[LyricalRico]

Rico, of all your ridiculousness, listing Najera as a SF might take the cake. The guy can barely walk now.

C''mon, you're gonna knock me for a listing of bench players? Fine, we'll find some other scrub to be a backup SF (Evans?). That's not the "make or break" part of the scenario.

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

Say no to trading up in the draft if it involves any of our young players (except for Blatche) or a future 1st round pick. The #1 pick in this draft is as good as the #10 pick in next years draft. Heck, Seraphin would be a guarenteed top 10 pick in this draft. Any move involving 2012 picks, McGee, Crawford, etc. would simply be a result of impatience.

[dlts20]

I Dont Care What We Do, Except.......


I wouldnt trade Dray. As for the picks, Im not sold on anyone in this draft. The only guy Im halfway sold on to be atleast solid is Irving but IDK if he's a star. All the other guys could just be regular guys if you ask me but if I had to pick the guy who I think looks the best for us, its Vesley due to his size, athletic ability, and shooting. I think he could be another Gallinari who is very good on D, can handle the rock, and shoot the J. I think Wall needs another shooter on the floor.

I dont trust Williams for us or maybe period. I think he may be a true tweener. I think he's an undersized 4 who can play the 3 but wont play it well. I dont think he would be so much different then Booker for us. Maybe better but nothing special. Katner is a good big body but nearly all the experts say he may be ready to play now as a backup but he has the least amount of upside out of all the Foriegn guys.

Leonard may be good but again, I think we need a shooter and he looks like one of those guys who can only attack the rim. I just think Vesley fits us the best and if we stay at 6 then he may drop to us. Id take him or trade the pick for a vet. Again though, dont trade Dray. I think our Frontcourt is more solid then others do. I think McGee, Dray, KS, & Book could be something so I would try to add a 3.

[Induveca]

Trading next year's pick makes no sense. I like what I've heard of Kanter, but not enough to miss out on Barnes next year.

[WizarDynasty]

i think i might go vesely too. i see 3 and d for sure with him. 6'11 quickness is a nightmare for perimeter oriented teams which is the majority of nba now. jeffries with a three point shot.

[Illuminaire]

All the other guys could just be regular guys if you ask me but if I had to pick the guy who I think looks the best for us, its Vesley due to his size, athletic ability, and shooting. I think he could be another Gallinari who is very good on D, can handle the rock, and shoot the J. I think Wall needs another shooter on the floor.

Vesely is shooting ~30% from the international 3-point line. He is shooting ~50% from the FT line.

I repeat, over 40 games, Jan Vesely is shooting about fifty percent from the free throw line.

Can we take the myth that he's a good shooter outside, stab it repeatedly in the face, and leave the body in a ditch, please?

Edit: Just for fun, let's also remember that he's an "athletic" 6'11 player who barely snags four rebounds a game. Four. Rebounds. A. Game. Not fair, say you, because he doesn't play a lot of minutes? He's still getting barely six rebounds a game per-36. I'm sorry, but for a leaper with his size and experience level, that tells you he has terrible instincts or B-ball IQ.

[Illuminaire]

i think i might go vesely too. i see 3 and d for sure with him. 6'11 quickness is a nightmare for perimeter oriented teams which is the majority of nba now. jeffries with a three point shot.

The ability to TAKE three point shots does not equate to the ability to MAKE three point shots on a consistent basis.

[Ruzious]

i think i might go vesely too. i see 3 and d for sure with him. 6'11 quickness is a nightmare for perimeter oriented teams which is the majority of nba now. jeffries with a three point shot.

Ared showed more 3 point shooting ability in college than Vesely's shown, so assuming Vesely has 3 point range is a nonstarter. People say Vesely's such a great athlete but... does he really have quickness and mobility? Has he really shown he can move side to side exceptionally well? If I had to pick 1 player who I think will bust compared to where he gets picked, it's Vesely and nobody else is close. He's 21, and I've seen no skill he does well other than dunking - and how many NBA players can't look good dunking? Somebody said he has power. Uh... no. Not even close. In the NBA, some shooting guards will easily overpower him. He's most likely ared effries without good defense.

[RT31]

well, at #6, I'm leaning towards Leonard. hopefully he can improve his 3pt shot and be a lock down defender. He'd understudy to Rashard for a year and be our permanent SF of the future.

Vesley's intriguing, but i keep thinking Darius Miles when I watch video of him. The guy can run, jump and dunk....but that's about it. <50% FT shooting? what the crap is that about?

gotta love the latest DX post on Leonard on 5/15:

Amongst all the prospects we saw here, Leonard may be the biggest beneficiary of Impact's on-court training. He's a ridiculous physical specimen with no body fat, long arms, and giant hands, but has room to improve skill-wise. He's been able to take advantage of his time here to the fullest since he loves being in the gym.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kaw ... z1MicFEvKU
http://www.draftexpress.com

Physical specimen, loves being in the gym...sign me up!

The only problem is he can't shoot. But if he can develop a jumper, then I wouldn't mind this pick. He can guard 3 positions, so he'd be a beast defensively. I'm warming up to him.

depends on what you believe, but i'm of the "you can teach shooting" camp. it might take a year or two, but we have shard here for that long. you can't teach desire. seems to me like this guy's got it.

[pancakes3]

piling onto the veseley hate-train, he sounds like a poor man's yi jianlin.

[RT31]

i think i might go vesely too. i see 3 and d for sure with him. 6'11 quickness is a nightmare for perimeter oriented teams which is the majority of nba now. jeffries with a three point shot.

Ared showed more 3 point shooting ability in college than Vesely's shown, so assuming Vesely has 3 point range is a nonstarter. People say Vesely's such a great athlete but... does he really have quickness and mobility? Has he really shown he can move side to side exceptionally well? If I had to pick 1 player who I think will bust compared to where he gets picked, it's Vesely and nobody else is close. He's 21, and I've seen no skill he does well other than dunking - and how many NBA players can't look good dunking? Somebody said he has power. Uh... no. Not even close. In the NBA, some shooting guards will easily overpower him. He's most likely ared effries without good defense.

kinda the conclusion i came to...darius miles...run, jump, dunk...that's it.

[TGW]

In the spirit of Effries...I think An Vesely has a new name...

Just stay away from overly raw "athletes". We already have several that we're trying to develop. We need high IQ, high skillset, high motor players.

[dlts20]

All the other guys could just be regular guys if you ask me but if I had to pick the guy who I think looks the best for us, its Vesley due to his size, athletic ability, and shooting. I think he could be another Gallinari who is very good on D, can handle the rock, and shoot the J. I think Wall needs another shooter on the floor.

Vesely is shooting ~30% from the international 3-point line. He is shooting ~50% from the FT line.

I repeat, over 40 games, Jan Vesely is shooting about fifty percent from the free throw line.

Can we take the myth that he's a good shooter outside, stab it repeatedly in the face, and leave the body in a ditch, please?

Edit: Just for fun, let's also remember that he's an "athletic" 6'11 player who barely snags four rebounds a game. Four. Rebounds. A. Game. Not fair, say you, because he doesn't play a lot of minutes? He's still getting barely six rebounds a game per-36. I'm sorry, but for a leaper with his size and experience level, that tells you he has terrible instincts or B-ball IQ.

he shot 46% from 3 in the Euroleauge which is the top league in all of Europe. he's not pure yet but everyone says he has good form and is improving at it

[dlts20]

Again though, I dont care what we do. None of them are sure studs to me so I wont go crazy no matter who we pick and I wont be upset if we trade but I think Dray is better then all these guys and any guys Ive heard our fans mentioned him being traded for so thats where I stand. If we stand pat then the guy we pick may turn out to be great, a bust, or average but that may be the chance we have to take. Im ok either way. Just dont move Dray, atleast not until after the season starts

[RT31]

All the other guys could just be regular guys if you ask me but if I had to pick the guy who I think looks the best for us, its Vesley due to his size, athletic ability, and shooting. I think he could be another Gallinari who is very good on D, can handle the rock, and shoot the J. I think Wall needs another shooter on the floor.

Vesely is shooting ~30% from the international 3-point line. He is shooting ~50% from the FT line.

I repeat, over 40 games, Jan Vesely is shooting about fifty percent from the free throw line.

Can we take the myth that he's a good shooter outside, stab it repeatedly in the face, and leave the body in a ditch, please?

Edit: Just for fun, let's also remember that he's an "athletic" 6'11 player who barely snags four rebounds a game. Four. Rebounds. A. Game. Not fair, say you, because he doesn't play a lot of minutes? He's still getting barely six rebounds a game per-36. I'm sorry, but for a leaper with his size and experience level, that tells you he has terrible instincts or B-ball IQ.

he shot 46% from 3 in the Euroleauge which is the top league in all of Europe. he's not pure yet but everyone says he has good form and is improving at it

Maybe there's a better place for stats, but DX has his euroleague 3pt% at 33%. 0.6/1.7 per game from the 3pt line.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jan-Vesely-1402/

eurobasket.com has his 3pt stats at 10-28....35% in the euroleague over 15 games.
http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cn ... erID=78508

[cwb3]

Latest from EG's twitter feed:

"I gets Pecharov clones son!"

[Hoopalotta]

Yeah, here's Vesley's shooting numbers for the Adriatic and Euro Leagues:

http://www.adriaticbasket.com/club.php?id=22
http://www.adriaticbasket.com/player.php?id=914&sez=

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ubcode=PAR

Looks like 10 of 28 from 3 in the Euro and 11 of 39 in the Adriatic. HE hit 46% in the Euro "regular season" games, but that was not a lot of shots in total.

[Illuminaire]

he shot 46% from 3 in the Euroleauge which is the top league in all of Europe. he's not pure yet but everyone says he has good form and is improving at it

Where are you getting that number? Every site I can find says his highest 3pt% was 40%. His other year in Euroleague he shot 5.6%, so maybe if you add those together...

Seriously though, production matters. Form is cool and all, but except for one season in one league, his shooting numbers are terrible. His FT% is uniformly awful across the board.

You can argue that someday, somehow, he *might* be a good shooter. It is factually impossible to call him a good one right now, and it seems intellectually dishonest to take his "form" into account but not his ridiculously poor FT shooting.

[Illuminaire]

Yeah, here's Vesley's shooting numbers for the Adriatic and Euro Leagues:

http://www.adriaticbasket.com/club.php?id=22
http://www.adriaticbasket.com/player.php?id=914&sez=

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ubcode=PAR

Looks like 10 of 28 from 3 in the Euro and 11 of 39 in the Adriatic. HE hit 46% in the Euro "regular season" games, but that was not a lot of shots in total.

Thank you for clarifying the 46% thing, Hoop. I was looking at his yearly totals... it never occurred to me someone would take an even more limited sample size than a full season.

[Black Eyed Sooz]

DX has us passing on Kanter to take Vesely in their latest take- and both they and nbadraft.net both seem to think that the Wiz really like him- and that Utah might as well.

It is amazing the range of opinions on him- you have Chris Reina comparing him to Dr. J, Fran Fraschilla calling him a "Tom Chambers clone", and then a lot of us taking note of his Ben Wallace-like free throw%, his lack of strength, lack of rebounding, questionable hands and ballhandling, etc and wondering if he'd even get off the bench in the NBA.

It will be interesting to see how he develops- I'm not sure how they're projecting him to be a Tom Chambers- like scorer except that the form on his jumper is pretty good. He also seems to have good intangibles, he's got a pretty good feel for spacing and moving without the ball, he's got got lateral quickness on D, and he plays his heart out...

I wouldn't be heartbroken if we got him... but then again if we leave Kanter in the green room for him, it might be our collective skulls breaking against the walls rather than our hearts giving out...