2011 Season Thread

[ajaX82]

We're playing great right now. V-Mart is absolutely on fire

[cochiseuofm]

Tigers are 22-18 now after a 7 game winning streak, they would be the AL's wild card team if the season ended today which is pretty good considering they struggled for a good part of the first month or so.

V-Mart really has been the catalyst in the winning streak, he is batting .459 in May since his return with 14 RBIs.

[m23uza1hem36]

Verlander is the **** man

[kellmellus50]

Tigers still paying for costly mistake of losing Placido Polanco


From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110516/OPI ... z1MYGaUc00

[cochiseuofm]

Did you read that article kellmell? Because you and TSE have been blaming us losing Polly to Dave Dombrowski, while the article indicates that it was entirely Ilitch's call (and mistake).

Yes, letting Polanco go for nothing was dumb...he was a fan favorite and he really was worth his salary. But what is the point of railroading every single thread about it? He has been gone for a while now and you can't rewrite history, so just let it go and try to enjoy a pretty fun team that we have right now on the field.

It amazes me that you guys can sit around and bash the Tigers for not resigning Polanco two seasons ago, but don't say one word about Justin Verlander tossing a no-hitter. Or anything else remotely positive about this team, which is playing like a playoff team right now.

[ajaX82]

Team is playing great right now!

And why be positive when you can just repeat the same thing constantly?

[TSE]

Boesch is already an everyday player, I don't really see the point in cutting Ordonez. He has a history of heating up as the weather gets nicer, so lets not push the panic button there yet. We have nothing to gain by cutting Mags now except for some of Ilitch's money back, which as a fan I don't care about.

As much complaining as you guys seem to do about the Tigers, they are a game above .500 after last night's win and on a serious roll. They have gotten quality starts out of their rotation 25 out of their 37 games this year, meaning 6 innings of giving up 3 or less runs. Austin Jackson is getting out of his funk and heating up. Honestly I think everything is going to be fine, the talent is there to win the division.

.500 is a baseline metric to represent average. We are not supposed to be average because we spend in the top echelon. You should get what you pay for, and we as a team and as fans, are shortchanged. We are not complaining about the positive raw score, we are complaining about the negative transfer of assets score. We are thus UNDER .500 at winning how many games we are supposed to be winning. It's like calculus and understanding the relationship between the speeds of 2 cars and their rates of acceleration. One car could be traveling at 50 MPH while another is traveling at 100. The 100 wins the first contest for highest overall raw score and thus best speed to arrive at its ultimate destination, but either one could win the acceleration contest for having the best rate at which they achieve their speed, and that's not a game about how fast you can travel and it's not a game concerned with arriving at a different location, and to win in one versus the other takes different things to accomplish, and has drastically different meanings regarding completely different constructs. Comparing those two attributes would be like saying Apple A is better than Steak A, because Apple A has more nutrition than it's counterpart Apple B, whereas Steak A tastes better than Steak B. Ok we know the A's beat their respective Bs, but you can't say the Apple is better than the steak, because one contest is about taste, whereas the other has nothing to do with taste or even one of the 5 senses, but rather something completely different that has to do with a whole 'nother topic.

The point of all this is if we could win in the department that I'm complaining about, then whatever "x" number of games we are above .500 at this point or any point, being victorious in that condition will give us a +"y" bonus, so that our games above .500 will not equal "x", but rather "x + y" where "y" must equal a positive number. So yes "x" is hopefully going to be good and high for us, but regardless of what "x" is, there is no excuse to just piss away "y" for no logical reason. If we suck we just win more, if we are good then we become great, if we are great then we become WS champions, or even if "x" is already WS champions, then we could just be far more impressive champions and/or more likely to repeat champions and/or more impressive and longer lasting dynasty. In either tradeoff scenario, this ballclub's incompetent management is screwing us by automatically forcing us to be AT LEAST one category lower than we should be, and FOR NO LOGICAL reason!!!

Our problem is Illitch has failed to realize that DD uses compromised logic to make his baseball/business decisions. I'm sure he's a very smart and talented professional man and has lots of baseball knowledge and operations expertise to be extremely valuable to the club in some capacity, but he has the wrong type of powers as he's not qualified to be GM. He makes way too many inexcusable mistakes, and I believe a great GM should virtually never make that kind of a categorical mistake. I wouldn't make those types of mistakes, and I'll lambast anybody that does because to me that is offensive as it is the responsibility of the person to not make those types of mistakes. Every decision should either be a no-brainer guranteed improvement to the winnability/profitable of the team OR have a logical and rational defense for gambling on said move. It's not that DD won't do that, he CAN'T do that, cause he doesn't know how. Having a guy in this position that does not know how to adhere to such a mammoth important clause makes no sense.

[m23uza1hem36]

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Dude...english

[cochiseuofm]

Get used to it m23...TSE likes to post unnecessarily long posts that are hard to understand. Primarily because of the multitude of random, and often pointless, analogies and algebraic formulas he throws into his arguments. Because we're all so dumb that we couldn't possibly understand his principle that he thinks the team is underperforming regardless of record without them.

And BTW it isn't even that I disagree...I do think we should be better than we are. But I also think it is too early in the season to judge and that heaping all of the blame on one person is dumb. TSE and kellmell have been bashing DD for weeks about the Polanco decision, when it turns out it may not have ever been his call. This is the problem, you take limited knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes and then jump to extremes.

Meanwhile you fail to acknowledge, and presumably enjoy, a perfectly enjoyable team that has already produced a game that will be one of the most memorable of the season, not just for the Tigers but for the entire league. Generally speaking, I don't take people seriously when they aren't able to show that they have a balanced view of whatever they are debating. That is, the ability to both recognize the good and the bad instead of just one or the other.

[TSE]

I haven't been bashing DD for weeks, I've been bashing him ever since he had the job, because he has been atrocious every year and has failed miserably to capitalize on Illitch's money. We should have won the WS a couple times by now and been locked down as the clear cut #1 team. Anything less is sick, cause that's what we could have had if we intelligently capitalized on all of our opportunities to improve.

And not sure what you are talking about in recognizing the good, what good are you even talking about and how does that have any relevance to the fact that we are a miserable club relative to what we should be?

[TSE]

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Dude...english

Dude, it is in English. If you don't understand any sentence in there, then speak up and declare what it is and I can help you to understand, otherwise go away and stop posting dumbass comments my way that serve no purpose especially when I was adequately clear in explaining my perspective.

[RustInPeace]

It's sad how overly analytical people get over something like this. I'm pretty anal too about how idiotic DD and Leyland are, but it doesn't take a genius that can create mindless algebraic formulas to point that out.

[cochiseuofm]

I haven't been bashing DD for weeks, I've been bashing him ever since he had the job, because he has been atrocious every year and has failed miserably to capitalize on Illitch's money. We should have won the WS a couple times by now and been locked down as the clear cut #1 team. Anything less is sick, cause that's what we could have had if we intelligently capitalized on all of our opportunities to improve.

And I didn't say you've been bashing DD for weeks, I said you had been bashing him specifically for the Polanco move for weeks now...it must be fun to pick and choose which parts of my posts you want to respond to. You're like the film studios who take a quote from a bad movie review, say "This movie is one of the best examples of a terrible film," and than put it into a trailer as "This movie is one of the best..."

And not sure what you are talking about in recognizing the good, what good are you even talking about and how does that have any relevance to the fact that we are a miserable club relative to what we should be?

I know you don't know what it means... ...that is the point. You don't have a balanced view of the Tigers, you only see the bad. You refuse to acknowledge the good deals DD has made, only ever talking about the bad ones. You refuse to give credit to Leyland or DD for turning the team around in 2006. And you never acknowledge moments like Verlander's no-hitter which all MLB fans enjoy.

Do you even like watching baseball?

[ajaX82]

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Dude...english

Dude, it is in English. If you don't understand any sentence in there, then speak up and declare what it is and I can help you to understand, otherwise go away and stop posting dumbass comments my way that serve no purpose especially when I was adequately clear in explaining my perspective.

Lets not call other posts "dumbass comments" if we can avoid it friend.

As for everyone else, remember to address content and not the poster. You may not like how somebody posts, but that doesn't entitle name calling or whatnot. Again...content, not user.

And this isn't a point for debate please, just a reminder. If TSE wants to harp on Polanco, that's fine. It isn't what I want to talk about, and I'm not entirely sure how it fits into the 2011 season thread since he isn't a Tiger, but thats ok. If you don't want to talk about Polanco, ignore him

Lets move along....

[ajaX82]

Good outing from Coke tonight. Starting pitching continues to be a real bright spot right now. Bullpen blows it again (insert sad face)

[cochiseuofm]

ajax there are four to five total people who post on this board...if I don't ever address TSE or kellmell than I am pretty much talking to myself. I might as well start a blog instead of come here. I'm not delibaretly trying to be combative, but TSE just glosses over any valid point I make and eventually I just have to be more direct. And to be fair, I did start out by addressing Polanco...even though it really has nothing to do with the 2011 season for the Tigers as his departure was two summers ago.

[Piston Pete]

Tigers eat Red Sox.....saw it at the Detroit Zoo.

[ajaX82]

ajax there are four to five total people who post on this board...if I don't ever address TSE or kellmell than I am pretty much talking to myself. I might as well start a blog instead of come here. I'm not delibaretly trying to be combative, but TSE just glosses over any valid point I make and eventually I just have to be more direct. And to be fair, I did start out by addressing Polanco...even though it really has nothing to do with the 2011 season for the Tigers as his departure was two summers ago.

My point wasn't that you should always avoid someone, just ignore certain points that you don't want to discuss.

I'm just trying to keep stuff civil. If I don't say anything I'm too hands off if things deteriorate, If I say something then I'm trying to tell people what to do. I'm not saying thats what you meant, but thats how things go sometimes. Again, just trying to keep discussion relevant and meaningful

[m23uza1hem36]

TSE, I in no way meant to offend you. It was a sarcastic remark: but there is no equation or formula for a perfect team. You like to tag statistics and equations to a lot of things. Again not trying to be offensive

Moving on, I'm going to a few games in the next few weeks. Haven't been excited to watch the Tigers in person for awhile

[TSE]

Not sure what you are even talking about. Did I produce an equation to define baseball teams? No! I just used equations to illustrate some of my talking points.