Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[T_Biggums]

lol... do you even know what you're arguing anymore? is your level of understanding that poor?

When you have two guys that are HALL OF FAMERS in the backcourt the need for a complimentary sharpshooter to off set them is minimal.

When you have two players in the backcourt who are just average the need for a sharpshooter is paramount but what position is that guy going to play? PF? C? maybe PG but he's the primary ball handler who's responsibility it is to break down the defense and get it to a shooter or a slasher.

A Burks/DeMar backcourt would be brutal because defenses would just log the lane and sag off them on the perimeter thus making it next to impossible to use their most valuable asset which is getting into the lane and finishing.

Monta has Curry. Rajon has Pierce AND Shuttlesworth, Westbrook has the best pure scorer since Bird and also Harden. Point is when you have one guy who is adept at getting in the lane but can't shoot you need someone on the perimeter to open up the lane for that player to be effective. Two guys that can't shoot make it near impossible unless they are Hall of Famers.

But ya you owned me...

You just proved my original point smartass. Remember when you decided to argue against me saying:

I know we're talking about another level of players here, but look at Miami. Their two best shooters can't throw a pebble in an ocean, but when surrounded by shooters (who actually hit shots) it's pretty effective. The way I see it, we won't be paying 3 guys max dollars trying to fill out our roster with washed up scrubs so we're we'd be ahead of the curb!

?

Thanks for trying though

oh boy.... dude you need to stay in school or better yet go to school.

First off your example includes two hall of famers. You still haven't produced a scenario where TWO players in a backcourt who can't shoot is a winning formula. Who would we get to play with Burks(SG) and DeMar(SF)? Bargnani,(PF) Dirk(C), Curry(PG)? Right now we have Bayless 32%3pt Davis and Amir along with Bargnani. Who are the shooters I count one and he hits at a clip of 37% clip and ranks well out of the top 30. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

[Silk Wilkes]

oh boy.... dude you need to stay in school or better yet go to school.

First off your example includes two hall of famers. You still haven't produced a scenario where TWO players in a backcourt who can't shoot is a winning formula. Who would we get to play with Burks(SG) and DeMar(SF)? Bargnani,(PF) Dirk(C), Curry(PG)? Right now we have Bayless 32%3pt Davis and Amir along with Bargnani. Who are the shooters I count one and he hits at a clip of 37% clip and ranks well out of the top 30. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

You're pretty ironically ignorant. LeBron doesn't even play in the back court when Wade is on the court, lol. I'm done talking to a wall. You simply don't get it. It's ok though, believe you're right. Good job!

...ballboys ftl

[T_Biggums]

oh boy.... dude you need to stay in school or better yet go to school.

First off your example includes two hall of famers. You still haven't produced a scenario where TWO players in a backcourt who can't shoot is a winning formula. Who would we get to play with Burks(SG) and DeMar(SF)? Bargnani,(PF) Dirk(C), Curry(PG)? Right now we have Bayless 32%3pt Davis and Amir along with Bargnani. Who are the shooters I count one and he hits at a clip of 37% clip and ranks well out of the top 30. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

You're pretty ironically ignorant. LeBron doesn't even play in the back court when Wade is on the court, lol. I'm done talking to a wall. You simply don't get it. It's ok though, believe you're right. Good job!

...ballboys ftl

Sf and sg are pretty much interchangeable they're called wings.

[Tenacious_C]

Honest question.

How do you determine a players upside? Also, what holes do you think the Raptors are looking to fill with this pick?

I have been wondering how our staff determines the pros and cons of each player. Do we have a checklist that we go through and if so, what would it be?

Also, do you think that we are considering who is available next year when making this pick.

What's your checklist when determining who to draft?

[Silk Wilkes]

You're pretty ironically ignorant. LeBron doesn't even play in the back court when Wade is on the court, lol. I'm done talking to a wall. You simply don't get it. It's ok though, believe you're right. Good job!

...ballboys ftl

Sf and sg are pretty much interchangeable they're called wings.

No s**t sherlock. But you clearly don't watch Miami play because you'd realize Wade and James have set positions when they're on the court together.

[Eliowns]

Why people here are so high on Biyombo?
Other than his 7'7 wingspan?

[Silk Wilkes]

Why people here are so high on Biyombo?
Other than his 7'7 wingspan?

His defensive potential is through the roof. He's one of those high risk, high reward picks.

[T_Biggums]

You're pretty ironically ignorant. LeBron doesn't even play in the back court when Wade is on the court, lol. I'm done talking to a wall. You simply don't get it. It's ok though, believe you're right. Good job!

...ballboys ftl

Sf and sg are pretty much interchangeable they're called wings.

No s**t sherlock. But you clearly don't watch Miami play because you'd realize Wade and James have set positions when they're on the court together.

I find it hilarious that you continue to use Wade and Bron as your proof that a team with two backcourt players/wings/ballhandlers that can't shoot is an effective model for NBA teams to follow for success...

[prototype]

Does Brandon Knight's game remind anyone else of Tyreke Evans? If Knight was a couple inches taller, Evans would be a perfect comparison. Even their scouting report is similar.

[Silk Wilkes]

Sf and sg are pretty much interchangeable they're called wings.

No s**t sherlock. But you clearly don't watch Miami play because you'd realize Wade and James have set positions when they're on the court together.

I find it hilarious that you continue to use Wade and Bron as your proof that a team with two backcourt players/wings/ballhandlers that can't shoot is an effective model for NBA teams to follow for success...

Were we not originally talking about Wade and James at the wing? Why would I use another combo to talk about Shooting Guards and Small Forwards being interchangeable?
Anyways, you continue to conveniently overlook the point I made about surrounding them with shooters. I CLEARY said Miami has done a poor job of that and will continue to struggle with it because of their cap situation. I then said we could surround DeRozan/Burks with better shooters because our cap situation is much more friendly. No where in this entire bogus conversation did I say you can have a wing combination who can't shoot and surround them with non-shooters as well, but you assume I did for some reason. Maybe Tyrone Biggums is a bad influence on your life because you're clearly smoking something.

[bboyskinnylegs]

here's BC's interview with Givony:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDIzWgec77o&feature=player_embedded#at=10[/youtube]

Pretty insightful imo.

[T_Biggums]

Does Brandon Knight's game remind anyone else of Tyreke Evans? If Knight was a couple inches taller, Evans would be a perfect comparison. Even their scouting report is similar.

Sort of but I would say Reke is more fluid offensively. Knight just looks awkward when he tries to drive or when he takes pull ups.

[TDotRep]

Does Brandon Knight's game remind anyone else of Tyreke Evans? If Knight was a couple inches taller, Evans would be a perfect comparison. Even their scouting report is similar.

No devin harris.

[phailing101]

This is going to be one of the more interesting drafts to follow in years......so much uncertainty outside the top 2.

Question #1- Assuming Cle- Irving, Minn- Williams, Utah- Kanter....WTF is Cleveland going to do at 4??

They most certainly wouldn't be looking at Knight/Walker.

I guess a euro big man, Biyombo or Leonard?

Under that scenario, the Raps get their choice of Knight/Walker and whatever Euro big man leftovers on the board.

BC better do his homework.

[T_Biggums]

Were we not originally talking about Wade and James at the wing? Why would I use another combo to talk about Shooting Guards and Small Forwards being interchangeable?
Anyways, you continue to conveniently overlook the point I made about surrounding them with shooters. I CLEARY said Miami has done a poor job of that and will continue to struggle with it because of their cap situation. I then said we could surround DeRozan/Burks with better shooters because our cap situation is much more friendly. No where in this entire bogus conversation did I say you can have a wing combination who can't shoot and surround them with non-shooters as well, but you assume I did for some reason. Maybe Tyrone Biggums is a bad influence on your life because you're clearly smoking something.

No we were originally talking about Burks and DeMar and how terrible a fit they would be on the same team. You brought up Wade and Lebron as an argument to support why you think it could work to which I think you are a nimrod.

[Silk Wilkes]

Were we not originally talking about Wade and James at the wing? Why would I use another combo to talk about Shooting Guards and Small Forwards being interchangeable?
Anyways, you continue to conveniently overlook the point I made about surrounding them with shooters. I CLEARY said Miami has done a poor job of that and will continue to struggle with it because of their cap situation. I then said we could surround DeRozan/Burks with better shooters because our cap situation is much more friendly. No where in this entire bogus conversation did I say you can have a wing combination who can't shoot and surround them with non-shooters as well, but you assume I did for some reason. Maybe Tyrone Biggums is a bad influence on your life because you're clearly smoking something.

No we were originally talking about Burks and DeMar and how terrible a fit they would be on the same team. You brought up Wade and Lebron as an argument to support why you think it could work to which I think you are a nimrod.

As I've stated before, LeBron and Wade are on another level. Learn to read before you get the quadruple facepalm. Your level of understanding is even embarrassing me and I'm against you. If you're not bright enough to read between the lines then let me spell it out for you since you're so slow. Burks/DeMar would be a homeless man's version of Wade/LeBron. Now do you get it Einstein? I hope so, but I doubt it.

[bboyskinnylegs]

This is going to be one of the more interesting drafts to follow in years......so much uncertainty outside the top 2.

Question #1- Assuming Cle- Irving, Minn- Williams, Utah- Kanter....WTF is Cleveland going to do at 4??

They most certainly wouldn't be looking at Knight/Walker.

I guess a euro big man, Biyombo or Leonard?

Under that scenario, the Raps get their choice of Knight/Walker and whatever Euro big man leftovers on the board.

BC better do his homework.

the thing is, Min at #2 and Utah at #3 are pretty unpredictable. If Minny trades the pick, then it's likely to be Williams--but if they keep it, we don't know what they would do--maybe they go with a C. Utah might not want Kanter with Millsap, Jefferson, and Favors there. They were reportedly interested in Donatas, maybe they trade down for him?

That makes it more likely that the Cavs select one of the bigs with their pick, unless if Williams surprisingly drops (the Cavs would be scary if they land both Williams and Kyrie). There's really too many unknowns at this point.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Milwaukee's got dibs on Minnesota's pick if they want to deal Bogut. Bogut is exactly what Minnesota needs at C.

Williams would likely be the pick for the Bucks.

[Reef]

Anyone know when the combine is? When do they do the measurements/athletic testing?

[Silk Wilkes]

This is going to be one of the more interesting drafts to follow in years......so much uncertainty outside the top 2.

Question #1- Assuming Cle- Irving, Minn- Williams, Utah- Kanter....WTF is Cleveland going to do at 4??

They most certainly wouldn't be looking at Knight/Walker.

I guess a euro big man, Biyombo or Leonard?

Under that scenario, the Raps get their choice of Knight/Walker and whatever Euro big man leftovers on the board.

BC better do his homework.

the thing is, Min at #2 and Utah at #3 are pretty unpredictable. If Minny trades the pick, then it's likely to be Williams--but if they keep it, we don't know what they would do--maybe they go with a C. Utah might not want Kanter with Millsap, Jefferson, and Favors there. They were reportedly interested in Donatas, maybe they trade down for him?

That makes it more likely that the Cavs select one of the bigs with their pick, unless if Williams surprisingly drops (the Cavs would be scary if they land both Williams and Kyrie). There's really too many unknowns at this point.

If Minnesota passes on Williams it could get VERY interesting indeed. Utah could take him, but I see them going with Kanter or Walker first since most experts are predicting that, although I don't see why they'd pass on Williams unless they think he's a Power Forward. But then you come to Cleveland at 4 and they likely have a Point Guard already so they'd snap up Williams. I think either way we try to spin it we're going to have one of Knight/Walker to choose from without Irving and Williams there. Maybe Kanter slips to us though, in which case I take him before they announce Cleveland's pick at #4