Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1041 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:31 pm

Reef wrote:Anyone know when the combine is? When do they do the measurements/athletic testing?

I thought it began today?

T_Biggums · Post #1042 » by **T_Biggums** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:33 pm

Youngblood wrote:
T_Biggums wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
Were we not originally talking about Wade and James at the wing? Why would I use another combo to talk about Shooting Guards and Small Forwards being interchangeable?
Anyways, you continue to conveniently overlook the point I made about surrounding them with shooters. I CLEARY said Miami has done a poor job of that and will continue to struggle with it because of their cap situation. I then said we could surround DeRozan/Burks with better shooters because our cap situation is much more friendly. No where in this entire bogus conversation did I say you can have a wing combination who can't shoot and surround them with non-shooters as well, but you assume I did for some reason. Maybe Tyrone Biggums is a bad influence on your life because you're clearly smoking something.

No we were originally talking about Burks and DeMar and how terrible a fit they would be on the same team. You brought up Wade and Lebron as an argument to support why you think it could work to which I think you are a nimrod.

As I've stated before, LeBron and Wade are on another level. Learn to read before you get the quadruple facepalm. Your level of understanding is even embarrassing me and I'm against you. If you're not bright enough to read between the lines then let me spell it out for you since you're so slow. Burks/DeMar would be a homeless man's version of Wade/LeBron. Now do you get it Einstein? I hope so, but I doubt it.

If you can agree that Lebron and Wade are on another level why even make the comparison? you do realize that its their skillset that makes the Heat system work right? Why can't you produce another successful tandem if that is a model for NBA teams to follow? Its a failed system unless you have two Hall of Famers in that position. I don't know why that is lost on you... actually I do know why but I'll hold my tongue for now

prototype · Post #1043 » by **prototype** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:34 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Reef wrote:Anyone know when the combine is? When do they do the measurements/athletic testing?

I thought it began today?

I think they said Thursday and Friday during the lottery yesterday.

Reef · Post #1044 » by **Reef** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:35 pm

prototype wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Reef wrote:Anyone know when the combine is? When do they do the measurements/athletic testing?

I thought it began today?

I think they said Thursday and Friday during the lottery yesterday.

Thanks.

prototype · Post #1045 » by **prototype** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:39 pm

Reef wrote:
prototype wrote:I think they said Thursday and Friday during the lottery yesterday.

Thanks.

My bad, just checked DX and they said it's the 18th to 22nd.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1046 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:40 pm

T_Biggums wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
T_Biggums wrote:No we were originally talking about Burks and DeMar and how terrible a fit they would be on the same team. You brought up Wade and Lebron as an argument to support why you think it could work to which I think you are a nimrod.

As I've stated before, LeBron and Wade are on another level. Learn to read before you get the quadruple facepalm. Your level of understanding is even embarrassing me and I'm against you. If you're not bright enough to read between the lines then let me spell it out for you since you're so slow. Burks/DeMar would be a homeless man's version of Wade/LeBron. Now do you get it Einstein? I hope so, but I doubt it.

If you can agree that Lebron and Wade are on another level why even make the comparison? you do realize that its their skillset that makes the Heat system work right? Why can't you produce another successful tandem if that is a model for NBA teams to follow? Its a failed system unless you have two Hall of Famers in that position. I don't know why that is lost on you... actually I do know why but I'll hold my tongue for now

You're so damn slow, everything has to be spelled out. It works the same for any two of PG/SG/SF not just the wing spot. In case you haven't noticed, OKC is one shooter (Kevin Durant) surrounded by a bunch of non-shooters. Harden comes off the bench smartass. Then, you look at another team like Atlanta who got to the second round with Joe Johnson surrounded by non-shooters since Teague started. Hmm...what else do I need to show your slow a** to make you finally shut up? Umm...Memphis started Tony Allen and Sam Young at the wings. Philadelphia started Iguodala and Young who only needed shooters at the other 3 spots to be successful. I guess Kevin Durant and Joe Johnson are as good as Wade/Lebron by themselves or Tony Allen is bound for the hall of fame. But of course you'll have some grade 5 comeback to this. So go ahead, let me hear it...

Reef · Post #1047 » by **Reef** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:40 pm

prototype wrote:
Reef wrote:
prototype wrote:I think they said Thursday and Friday during the lottery yesterday.

Thanks.

My bad, just checked DX and they said it's the 18th to 22nd.

Cool...should be interesting to see Kemba, Kanter, and Biyombo's measurements.

fredericklove · Post #1048 » by **fredericklove** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:41 pm

Youngblood wrote:
Eliowns wrote:Why people here are so high on Biyombo?
Other than his 7'7 wingspan?

His defensive potential is through the roof. He's one of those high risk, high reward picks.

Yup, he's got DOY potential and perhaps able to lock down D-How from the first day. And his upside is Ben Wallace 2.0. Yeah, very high risk high reward type.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1049 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:43 pm

fredericklove wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
Eliowns wrote:Why people here are so high on Biyombo?
Other than his 7'7 wingspan?

His defensive potential is through the roof. He's one of those high risk, high reward picks.

Yup, he's got DOY potential and perhaps able to lock down D-How from the first day. And his upside is Ben Wallace 2.0. Yeah, very high risk high reward type.

Isn't that what the Biyombo fanboys have been saying from day 1? Why not take the Howard stopper?

Indeed · Post #1050 » by **Indeed** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:45 pm

prototype wrote:
Reef wrote:
prototype wrote:I think they said Thursday and Friday during the lottery yesterday.

Thanks.

My bad, just checked DX and they said it's the 18th to 22nd.

Read this now:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011-nba-draft-combine-list

Edit: Sorry, I thought that was official, I guess its from ESPN. Maybe there will be some reports tonight.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1051 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:47 pm

If Kemba's 5'11'' with shoes....

witnessraps · Post #1052 » by **witnessraps** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:48 pm

thanks for posting that interview bboyskinnylegs

fredericklove · Post #1053 » by **fredericklove** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:52 pm

Youngblood wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
His defensive potential is through the roof. He's one of those high risk, high reward picks.

Yup, he's got DOY potential and perhaps able to lock down D-How from the first day. And his upside is Ben Wallace 2.0. Yeah, very high risk high reward type.

Isn't that what the Biyombo fanboys have been saying from day 1? Why not take the Howard stopper?

Not really, I was pretty sure they said he's a mixed of two defensive legends like Bill Russell and Dikembe Mutombo with Dwight Howard being his worst case scenario.

fredericklove · Post #1054 » by **fredericklove** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:57 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:If Kemba's 5'11'' with shoes....

That means he's even shorter than JJ Barea which I thought was 5'8 or 5'9 but actually 6'0.

On the bright side, Damon Stoudamire was 5 ft 10 and he did well for us in 1st two years...on the negative side, it's a wishful thinking that he puts up Damon's numbers (19 pts 9 ast).

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1055 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Wed May 18, 2011 9:00 pm

Here's DX's prospect comparison best case/worst cases for their top 16:

Kyrie Irving: Deron Williams / Rich Man's Eric Maynor
Derrick Williams: Michael Beasley with perfect intangibles / more athletic Antawn Jamison
Brandon Knight: Prime Chauncey Billups / Lou Williams
Jonas Valanciunas: Andris Biedrins meets Joakim Noah / Omer Asik
Kemba Walker: Ty Lawson / Aaron Brooks
Jan Vesely: Andrei Kirilenko / Joe Alexander
Bismack Biyombo: Ben Wallace / Taj Gibson
Enes Kanter: Kevin Love/ Aaron Gray
Donatas Motiejunas: Pau Gasol / Yi Jianlian
Marcus Morris: David West meets Al Harrington / More Athletic Anthony Tolliver
Kawhi Leonard: Shawn Marion / Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Alec Burks: Brandon Roy / Marquis Daniels
Markieff Morris: Rasheed Wallace (without the crazy) / Stronger Ersan Ilyasova
Tobias Harris: Shane Battier with more offense / Ryan Gomes
Klay Thompson: Mike Miller in prime / Marco Belinelli
Tristan Thompson: Tyrus Thomas with better intangibles / shorter Jordan Hill

ty123 · Post #1056 » by **ty123** » Wed May 18, 2011 9:03 pm

"Kemba Walker is definitely an impact player at the next level." Jonathan Givony Draftexpress

Reef · Post #1057 » by **Reef** » Wed May 18, 2011 9:05 pm

ty123 wrote:"Kemba Walker is definitely an impact player at the next level." Jonathan Givony Draftexpress

Worst case Aaron Brooks sounds pretty good to me.

Kreamy · Post #1058 » by **Kreamy** » Wed May 18, 2011 9:05 pm

Who Utah picks will pretty much determine our fate. If they draft Kanter, we'll be picking between Knight and Walker at 5. If they pick one of Knight/Walker, we'll be picking between their leftovers and Biyombo. Either way, Kanter won't get past the Cavs at 4. IMO, one of Knight, Walker or Biyombo will be a Raptor June 23rd if we keep the pick. Whatever.

Reef · Post #1059 » by **Reef** » Wed May 18, 2011 9:07 pm

Kreamy wrote:Who Utah picks will pretty much determine our fate. If they draft Kanter, we'll be picking between Knight and Walker at 5. If they pick one of Knight/Walker, we'll be picking between their leftovers and Biyombo. Either way, Kanter won't get past the Cavs at 4. IMO, one of Knight, Walker or Biyombo will be a Raptor June 23rd if we keep the pick. Whatever.

Leonard could be a darkhorse pick if he blows people away in workouts. Plus he's only 19.

T_Biggums · Post #1060 » by **T_Biggums** » Wed May 18, 2011 9:09 pm

Youngblood wrote:
T_Biggums wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
As I've stated before, LeBron and Wade are on another level. Learn to read before you get the quadruple facepalm. Your level of understanding is even embarrassing me and I'm against you. If you're not bright enough to read between the lines then let me spell it out for you since you're so slow. Burks/DeMar would be a homeless man's version of Wade/LeBron. Now do you get it Einstein? I hope so, but I doubt it.

If you can agree that Lebron and Wade are on another level why even make the comparison? you do realize that its their skillset that makes the Heat system work right? Why can't you produce another successful tandem if that is a model for NBA teams to follow? Its a failed system unless you have two Hall of Famers in that position. I don't know why that is lost on you... actually I do know why but I'll hold my tongue for now

You're so damn slow, everything has to be spelled out. It works the same for any two of PG/SG/SF not just the wing spot. In case you haven't noticed, OKC is one shooter (Kevin Durant) surrounded by a bunch of non-shooters. Harden comes off the bench smartass. Then, you look at another team like Atlanta who got to the second round with Joe Johnson surrounded by non-shooters since Teague started. Hmm...what else do I need to show your slow a** to make you finally shut up? Umm...Memphis started Tony Allen and Sam Young at the wings. Philadelphia started Iguodala and Young who only needed shooters at the other 3 spots to be successful. I guess Kevin Durant and Joe Johnson are as good as Wade/Lebron by themselves or Tony Allen is bound for the hall of fame. But of course you'll have some grade 5 comeback to this. So go ahead, let me hear it...

Okay i'm done you just have a poor understanding of the game. Harden plays more than Sefolosha...
Atlanta has Crawford, and had Bibby for 56 games... They win with defense not two backcourt guys that can't shoot. Memphis is winning with their bigs the have Conley, Gay, Mayo... Philly isn't successful.