Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[Snidely FC]

Most of what Ive seen on Reggie Jackson has been all good but Fran Fraschilla at ESPN doesn't love him:

"Reggie Jackson, Boston College (6-foot-3, 205 pounds)
I have been reading about Jackson's stock rising in the eyes of NBA teams, so I watched a lot of tape on him, especially against the best teams on Boston College's schedule. I am not a fan of his potential. First of all, he is an average athlete who plays with a low motor, in my opinion. In addition, he is an exclusively left-handed driver who has trouble scoring over length at the rim. And he is sloppy with the ball and turnover prone. To his credit, Jackson shoots well from deep, but overall, I don't think that's enough for me."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?nam ... id=6526494

[Marvel]

One guy to really look out for, Justin Harper. He's definitely in play at 19, in my books.

Why? Don't we already have enough jump shooting big men on our roster?

If anything your Celtics should target him @ #25.

Why is it that any big man who can shoot coming out of a draft, he's instantly labelled. What is it exactly that Jordan Williams does well...oh wait rebound.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Justin-Harper-6341/

He has nice handles for a guy his size and he's shown he can also post up.

Worst case scenario - Channing Frye without all the hard knock life NY Kncks Zeke Era drama. Diference is, Harper's shooting at a higher percentage, efficiency better than Frye and most players in this draft.

I understand what you're saying about our needs, but in the right situation i love Harper's upside. He's a more polished player than White. No need to trip though, i like him on my Celtics, IF he's there at 25.

[BigSlam]

One guy to really look out for, Justin Harper. He's definitely in play at 19, in my books.

Why? Don't we already have enough jump shooting big men on our roster?

If anything your Celtics should target him @ #25.

Why is it that any big man who can shoot coming out of a draft, he's instantly labelled.

Did you actually read the article you posted? TAlmost half of his FGA's are jumpers (46%).

How about the part that said:

He is most effective spotting up around the perimeter, where he finds over a quarter of his possessions, and shoots a blistering 50.8% on 4.2 attempts per game.

It aint a label, it's a fact.

Seriously - your Celtics should draft him at the end of the 1st round. That way he can participate in the 3pt shoot out next year with Allen and Pierce.

[Marvel]

Did you actually read the article you posted? TAlmost half of his FGA's are jumpers (46%).

How about, working on and refining your game....you know development.

[BigSlam]

Did you actually read the article you posted? TAlmost half of his FGA's are jumpers (46%).

How about, working on and refining your game....you know development.

He's a 4 year senior. The idea of him all of a sudden revolutionizing his game to move away from being a jump shooting big man is a hard one to grasp.

He is what he is: A jump shooting big man - and has been his entire college career.

[Marvel]

First of all, he is an average athlete who plays with a low motor, in my opinion. In addition, he is an exclusively left-handed driver who has trouble scoring over length at the rim. And he is sloppy with the ball and turnover prone. To his credit,

Damn son, i don't follow these ESPN "experts" when it comes to draft prospects.

Known for his athleticism in his high school days, Jackson's ability to pick and choose his spots and play with poise have been keys to his success this season and could plant him on the NBA radar if he continues to improve his playmaking ability and all-around game.


Much of Jackson's development since last season can be attributed to the way he utilizes his athleticism. Standing 6'3 with a giant wingspan, but an underdeveloped frame, Jackson has excellent size for a point guard,


A somewhat flashy, but highly functional ball-handler who will surprise with his leaping ability when given space, Jackson has no trouble getting to the rim off the dribble at the NCAA level.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Reg ... z1MlFJfNu1
http://www.draftexpress.com

[Marvel]

And he is sloppy with the ball and turnover prone.

Wizza whaa...

Reggie Jackson- 2.3 TOpg - 1.99 A/TO. Nolan Smith- 3.2 TOpg - 1.63 A/TO. Brandon Knight 3.2 TOpg. Kendall Marshall - 2.5 TOpg - 2.36 A/TO. Tyshawn Taylor - 2.7 TOpg - 1.66 A/TO. Isiah Thomas - 3 TOpg - 2.0 A/TO.

He is what he is: A jump shooting big man - and has been his entire college career

Ye have no faith in the Oak.

[countryboi]

I not a fan of highlight films cause they can make a dude at the YMCA look like a beast but its easy to see reggie jackson is a pretty damn good athlete....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BafkiHxunjk[/youtube]

[Rich4114]

hmm, Minny interested in dealing #2. Would they want anything on our roster for #2? Would they simply take #9 and #19? The chances of landing a quality player at #19 is low. Especially in this draft.

I think if we've got an opportunity to come away with Williams or Irving we've got to take it. I'd also be happy if we could walk away with Kemba, I think he's going to be a big time scorer in the NBA. Not sure if at PG, but certainly a scorer and we suck at scoring.

If Minny wants veterans, I guess we don't have much to offer. They need SG/SF it seems the most. Would they have any interest in Diaw and #9? We'd need to take a contract back I guess. Love/Diaw/Beasley could co-exist right?

[Rich4114]

btw, I would absolutely trade Jackson and #9 for #2 this year. Jackson has about 1 good year left in him and it's not going to matter if he's on the Bobcats. Not sure if Minny thinks they can win now by adding him, but still. It's Kahn.

[Snidely FC]

I not a fan of highlight films cause they can make a dude at the YMCA look like a beast but its easy to see reggie jackson is a pretty damn good athlete....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BafkiHxunjk[/youtube]

WTF Fraschilla must have been watching NY Yankees Reggie Jackson tape.

[bobcats3wallace]

btw, I would absolutely trade Jackson and #9 for #2 this year. Jackson has about 1 good year left in him and it's not going to matter if he's on the Bobcats. Not sure if Minny thinks they can win now by adding him, but still. It's Kahn.

I think I would trade Jack and #9 for 2 as well. Especially if Derrick Williams is still there. There is a chance Derrick Williams is still there at 3 as well and I think the Jazz could have real interest in Jackson. The Jazz have Raja Bell at SG, but if they really are looking to improve back to the playoff level then they certainly could use Jack at the two, get 9, and still have two lottery picks to possibly move back up. It would seem to make a lot of sense for them. For us our target would be Derrick Williams, which we would have to hope Minny let slip. I think Minny might let him go by because they already have Beasley and Love at SF and PF. It would make more sense for the Twolves to take Kanter, but only time will tell how they will go. If you could trade Jack + #9 for #3 and take Derrick Williams then look at Reggie Jackson at #19 and possibly Kieth Benson at #39 and our depth would be looking pretty decent. I think Derrick Williams could be a STUD. Your talking about suddenly having a pretty good young core to build around with a possibly star in Williams and good supporting cast players in DJ, Hendo, and Tyrus Thomas.

[Snidely FC]

can u trade a player for a pick? Jax + 9 for 2?

or do salaries have to match ex Jax + 9 for Flynn/Webster + 2 ?

[BigSlam]

can u trade a player for a pick? Jax + 9 for 2?

or do salaries have to match ex Jax + 9 for Flynn/Webster + 2 ?

Depends on if the team has the cap space to absorb the contract.

[captaincrunk]

can u trade a player for a pick? Jax + 9 for 2?

or do salaries have to match ex Jax + 9 for Flynn/Webster + 2 ?

Depends on if the team has the cap space to absorb the contract.

And the roster spots.

[JMAC3]

I think if we stay steady with the picks we have right now we will come away with two solid contributors and a chance at a third.
I think we will get a much better player at 9 than all you guys are expecting.
The only players who are guaranteed to be gone before we pick are Irving, Williams, Kanter, Knight, and Walker. These seem like they will all be off the board by 9th for sure. That leaves 3 other picks before us which will be the next tier of players: Jonas, Vesely, Biyombo, Leonard, Thompson, Burks, Morris, and Monti. So 3 of these guys will be gone by our pick then we will have our choice of the other 8 guys. Here are the top 13 guys in the draft in my opinion. We pick again at 19th so 4 of the guys in the second tier will go after we pick at 9. The third tier of players still has a ton of talent left in it: Reggie Jackson, Markeif Morris, Jimmer, Klay Thompson, Jordan Hamilton, Chris Singleton, Tobias Harris, Honeycut, Darius Morris, Farried, Jordan Williams, Josh Selby, Davis Bertans, and Lucas Nogueira. That is 14 more players in the third tier. 5 of these players will be gone by the time we pick at 19. This means 8 of these guys will be left after we pick which will take us to the 28th pick. After that we have 10 picks before we pick again which leads us to the 4th tier of players: Kyle Singler, Justin Harper, Nolan Smith,Marshon Brooks, Shelvin Mack, Travis Leslie, Trey Thompkins, Charles Jenkins, Jajuan Johnson, Keith Benson, Malcolm Lee, Leur, Tyler, Mirotic, Vucevic, Bogdanovic, Parsons, Cory Joseph. Even after 10 of these guys go we will still grab a guy who will play some minutes for us.

[freakon0mics]

Essentially we should pick the best player available, but this draft seems to be power forward heavy. I just can't see us picking a wing player unless that wing player can fill in the small forward spot and can eventually replace SJax.

From the mock drafts I've seen so far, there should be 8 power forwards going in the top 15. Irving, Kemba, and Knight are going to be picked before 9th along with Derrick Williams also. So from the power forward crop, I can see us looking at with the 9th pick: Vesely, Biyombo, Kanter, Donatas, the Morris twins, and Tristan.

I haven't seen the Euro's but I have seen Tristan and the Morris twins enough to make an assumption about them. Marcus Morris seems to be a tweener. He's too slow to be a 3 but sort of undersized for the 4. He has the tools to become a decent scorer and defender for the 4 spot but my knock with him is if he can mix it up inside with today's NBA bigs. Markieff is a mere role player. I see him being one of the first bigs off a bench. Tristan is also someone else that I see as a mere role player. He can start for a talent deprived team but for a contender his role is coming off the bench. I do see the resemblance to Tyrus Thomas with him.

[JMAC3]

Cavs- Derrick Williams
Wolves- Kyrie Irving
Jazz- Enes Kanter
Cavs- Brandon Knight
Raptors- Jonas Valunciunas
Wizards-Jan Vesely
Kings- Kemba Walker
Pistons- Tristian Thompson
Bobcats- Kawhi Leonard
Bucks- Alec Burks
Warriors- Bismayck Biyombo
Jazz- Jimmer Fredette
Suns- Marcus Morris
Rockets- Donatas Montijunas
Pacers- Klay Thompson
76ers- Markeiff Morris
Knicks- Reggie Jackson
Wizards- Jordan Hamilton
Bobcats-Jordan Williams

I think if we take Leonard with the 9th we really handcuff ourselves later because Hamilton, Singleton, and Honeycutt all become nonoptions because they all play the same position as Leonard.

[fatlever]

@jmac

so maybe the trick is to go pg/pf/c with our first pick and then take the best wing left at our last pick. makes sense in theory, but i always get nervous about drafting positions over BPA. but with first pick i do see logic in going pg/pf/c

[JMAC3]

What if we went with an all Texas draft Haha.

9- Tristan Thompson
19- Jordan Hamilton
39- Cory Joseph

I would not even be mad with this draft. It probably isnt the best draft possible by any means, but they would have chemistry.