2011 DRAFT blather goes here. Part 3...

[GhostsOfGil]

Mock Draft Summaries:

David Aldridge
6. Washington: Markieff Morris


Draft Express:
8. Detroit: Enes Kanter

[nate33]

A couple of comments on those mock drafts:

* Irving and Williams are 1-2 in every mock.

* Every mock except Aldridge's has a PG going in the top 5, Aldrige has Vesely in the top 5.

* Draft Express has two PG's in the top 5.

* All mocks have Valanciunas gone by the time we pick.

* In all mocks, Biyombo is on the board when we pick. In the DX mock, Biyombo and Kanter available.

* We can have any non-PG NCAA player we want except Derrick Williams.

[Ruzious]

Interesting that pretty much every mock has Kanter going 4. If Utah's smart, they trade Jefferson and pick Kanter.

Gotta like Aldridge for thinking outside the box on his draft, while others go the cookie cutter route. I wonder if Haslem's showing in the playoffs affects where Markieff Morris goes - since he's that type of PF.

[nate33]

So the consensus is this:

Top 2:
Irving
Williams

Picks 3-5:
Knight
Kanter
Valanciunas

After that, it's wide open. Walker, Vesely and Leonard make the top 10 in 4 out 5 mocks. Thompson, Biyombo and Burks make the top 10 in 3 out of 5 mocks (though Burks never gets above 10).

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

Bismack reminds me more of a very poor man/short man's Dwight at this point. He'll take just as long to develop his post moves, and he's starting at (assumed) a later age.

I've been talkin him up as a better Ibaka with my bud, that's more likely IMO.

But still, at 6, I want him over all else.

Best comp to me for BB is a young McDyess with a little more bulk - when he was at Alabama.

If he went on to develop a midrange jumper like McDyess did that'd be phenomenal.

[popper]

Take BB at 6 if he's still available. He reminds me so much of Olajuwon. Atheletes like him don't come around often. He looks like he can play both the 4 and the 5.

Olajuwon? Really? Olajuwon is arguably the most skilled lowpost bigman in NBA history.

Biyombo is about as close to Olajuwon as McGee is to Wilt Chamberlain.

I'm comparing them at their pre-nba potential. You are comparing BB to the second half of Olajuwans very long NBA career. You would have said the same thing comparing Olajuwan as a rookie to Bill Russell in his prime. Not a fair comparison.

[popper]

Our glaring team needs are rebounding, interior toughness and protecting the rim. Those are BB's strengths. I would love to experiment with a second-string front line of BB at 4, Seraphon at 5 and Booker at 3. It would be highly entertaining and since we're not going to compete for a championship next year anyway, why not?

[closg00]

I encourage anyone who is serious about taking BB @ 6, to watch the Nike Summit game. BB has the tools, but he isn't much of a basketball player yet despite the nice workout video.

[nate33]

Our glaring team needs are rebounding, interior toughness and protecting the rim. Those are BB's strengths. I would love to experiment with a second-string front line of BB at 4, Seraphon at 5 and Booker at 3. It would be highly entertaining and since we're not going to compete for a championship next year anyway, why not?

Well, we also have glaring needs in shooting and low post offense. Those are his weaknesses.

[J-Blaze]

if jan vesley is a really good shooter and not just a dunker, ill take him

[gesa2]

Watching the Bulls the last 2 games makes me feel better about SIngleton and Leonard. Play d, and chuck the ball up there; so long as we get offensive rebounds on 30% of missed shots we'll be OK!

[gesa2]

if jan vesley is a really good shooter and not just a dunker, ill take him

Problem here is there's no evidence for him being a good shooter..

[Black Eyed Sooz]

Admittedly, Biyombo looks wayyyyy more skilled than I gave him credit for. Obviously, they were showing all his swishes and not his bricks/airballs, but the follow through is there. The skill is there.

I'm starting to think our choices aren't as bad as I thought they were before.

Agreed. He's got good coordination, he looks very ambidextrous, and his form on his jumper is really pretty decent- and if you're going to project a "bad numbers/good form" guy like Vesely to be a scorer based on that, why not Biyombo?

If you watch the Nike Hoops Summit game, you will see that despite his lack of scoring touch, the US team doubled him immediately whenever he got the ball in the post, so they at least had some respect for his ability to put the ball in the hole.

I think he'd be a great fit for the Wiz- and add to that how he is a natural leader and a physical player out on the court as well. Granted we'd have a hole to fill in the skills and scoring department- but there are a truckload of guys coming in the 2012 draft that can fill it up.

[popper]

I'm not saying Vesely is a bum but do we want a small forward with the following weaknesses?


From DraftExpress

Vesely continues to struggle in many of the same areas we outlined in previous reports, and it's still difficult to say that he's an overly skilled player.

His ball-handling skills remain mediocre at best. Watching him handle the ball in the open floor is definitely not a pretty sight. He's able to beat his defender off the dribble at times with his first step, but it's still something of an adventure for him trying to create his own shot from the perimeter—you just never know how things are going to turn out. He's not someone you want making decisions with the ball. His feel for the game is just average and it's not rare to see him make bad decisions, particularly in the form of unnecessary turnovers.

If unable to convert with a dunk around the rim, Vesely still has problems finishing through contact due to a distinct lack of strength. He doesn't put good touch on his shots and is definitely not the most fluid or instinctive offensive player you'll find. Many times he seems to just throw the ball up on the rim hoping for the best.

Even with his prodigious athleticism, Vesely still isn't much of a presence on the glass. He grabs just one defensive rebound for every 10 ½ minutes he's on the court, which is a very poor rate. It's here that his lack of girth and poor instincts seem to show the most. He's too skinny to put a body on opponents, and he doesn't pursue the ball off the rim the way you might hope.

Defense is the part of Vesely's game that is most likely to spark debate when it comes to his future. On one hand, you cannot ignore the terrific physical tools Vesely enjoys – his excellent size, length and athleticism allow him to get his team plenty of extra possessions in the form of steals and blocks. He's also an intense competitor who's always willing to stick his nose in to get the job done, which definitely helps.




On the other hand, it's tough to ignore the fact that opposing coaches in Europe clearly game-plan against him, trying to create situations where they can isolate their best wing player against him with space to operate. In these situations, Vesely tends to struggle. He has difficulty getting in a low stance at his size and just doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of the extremely quick and aggressive shot-creators he often finds at the small forward position.

To his credit, Vesely acknowledges that this is an issue for him. "Of course," he told us. "they are smaller than me, they are faster so I have to work on my aggressiveness, try to get faster and play better defense."



From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jan ... z1Moob7pfj
http://www.draftexpress.com

[Dark Faze]

Vesleys best case scenario is AK47 (which looks accurate) and worst case scenario is Joe Alexander.

Sure as heck isn't worth the risk imo, especially if he doesn't even play in the US next year.

We've got a great chance of trading with Utah. We should try to move up to get Kanter at a minimum, preferably Williams.

[REDardWIZskin]

I will vomit on Draft night if we pick Vesely. Hopefully Utah picks him

[gesa2]

If Utah wants him, hopefully they trade down with us

[closg00]

Editing FAIL at CBS Sports mock.

8. Detroit Pistons

Donatas Motiejunas, C, Benetton Treviso (Italy): Luke Babbitt and Paul George are on the rise, and any team would have to consider Ed Davis and Greg Monroe eight picks in. But it says here the Clippers have liked Hayward from Day 1, and he hasn't done anything to change that.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/full ... eDelGrande

[dlts20]

anyone watching the Draft Combine right now on NBA TV?

[GhostsOfGil]

just my take but im not really excited about any potential prospects at 6. i honestly think jeffers is more important to this team than bb, all euros sans kanter, or KL.