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Post#521 » by closg00 » Fri May 20, 2011 4:32 pm

TGW wrote:
nate33 wrote:20 years old.
Averaged 17 and 10 in a major conference with a 58% TS%.
Shoots 75% from the FT line
Doesn't foul much (3.4 PF's per 40)
7-feet in shoes, 7-4.5 wingspan, 9-4.5 standing reach, 260 lbs.
Performed favorably against Kanter

I don't see how he lasts past #20.


He plays below the rim Nate. Kinda stiff and a little soft. On the flip side, he's skilled. He'd be an option at #18.


...and why-not, we took Serphin at 17 and he's years away from being a solid rotation player. At-least Nikola could play some back-up C for us.
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Post#522 » by Rafael122 » Fri May 20, 2011 4:32 pm

Kyrie Irving has 10% body fat. Dude's a fatty. Freshman 15?
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Post#523 » by Mizerooskie » Fri May 20, 2011 4:33 pm

Building on the Vucevic posts, his performances against top competition:

Texas: 24 and 9, 9-17 shooting
@Kansas: 13 and 8, 6-8
Washington: 28 and 14, 6-9
UCLA: 20 and 4, 9-16
@Arizona: 18 and 7, 8-16
@UCLA: 18 and 7, 7-16
Arizona: 25 and 12, 9-17
@Washington: 19 and 10, 7-11
@Arizona: 16 and 12, 6-12
VCU: 11 and 14, 3-5

I'd certainly give him a look at 18, depending on what's done with 6.

Leonard and Vucevic would be a nice combo.
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Post#524 » by Hoopalotta » Fri May 20, 2011 4:35 pm

TGW wrote:
nate33 wrote:20 years old.
Averaged 17 and 10 in a major conference with a 58% TS%.
Shoots 75% from the FT line
Doesn't foul much (3.4 PF's per 40)
7-feet in shoes, 7-4.5 wingspan, 9-4.5 standing reach, 260 lbs.
Performed favorably against Kanter

I don't see how he lasts past #20.


He plays below the rim Nate. Kinda stiff and a little soft. On the flip side, he's skilled. He'd be an option at #18.


Even with that, his turnovers per possession are less than Knight or Irving and comparable to Walker. He can even shoot the 3 a bit.

Sight unseen and like you said, he's got to be in the conversation for 18 even if a bit stiff and soft. A solid backup center who can play regularly in his first or second year is solid for the 18th pick.

Maybe he's a poor man's Okur with less range? Honestly, I'd be totally in on a 1/3rd chance of a bust, 1/3rd chance at a backup center and 1/3rd chance at a rotation center. I'm not saying those are the odds, but that's a good risk if you ask me.
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Post#525 » by TGW » Fri May 20, 2011 4:45 pm

Hoops -- if Asik can be a contributor (and he's as stiff as a board), I'm sure this kid can.
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Post#526 » by Ruzious » Fri May 20, 2011 4:54 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:
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nate33 wrote:20 years old.
Averaged 17 and 10 in a major conference with a 58% TS%.
Shoots 75% from the FT line
Doesn't foul much (3.4 PF's per 40)
7-feet in shoes, 7-4.5 wingspan, 9-4.5 standing reach, 260 lbs.
Performed favorably against Kanter

I don't see how he lasts past #20.


He plays below the rim Nate. Kinda stiff and a little soft. On the flip side, he's skilled. He'd be an option at #18.


Even with that, his turnovers per possession are less than Knight or Irving and comparable to Walker. He can even shoot the 3 a bit.

Sight unseen and like you said, he's got to be in the conversation for 18 even if a bit stiff and soft. A solid backup center who can play regularly in his first or second year is solid for the 18th pick.

Maybe he's a poor man's Okur with less range? Honestly, I'd be totally in on a 1/3rd chance of a bust, 1/3rd chance at a backup center and 1/3rd chance at a rotation center. I'm not saying those are the odds, but that's a good risk if you ask me.

Yeah, that low t/o rate stuck out to me, as well. You almost can't go wrong at 18 with an efficient roll playing solidly built 7 footer who rebounds well, can spread the D, and is long enough to bother people.
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Post#527 » by nate33 » Fri May 20, 2011 4:56 pm

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nate33 wrote:If we manage to get Kanter at #6, Seraphin becomes somewhat of an afterthought.

It would be nice to package Seraphin and the #18 for a pick high enough to get Leonard. I'd love to enter next season with the following lineup:

PG Wall/Crawford
SG Young/Leonard
SF Lewis/Leonard
PF Kanter/Booker
C McGee/Blatche


Sweet bouncing balls of fire, Nate, that lineup might actually be GOOD.

Way to set the bar of my expectations unrealistically high. I cannot be anything but disappointed now. :P

Yup. They'd take their lumps due to inexperience, but that's a pretty good team over the long haul. I like the Kanter/McGee pairing as starters. And I like the Booker/Blatche pairing as reserves. (Somebody would need to put a gun to Blatche's head and make him hit the weights.) Leonard gives us a second versatile wing defender and helps on the boards (and hopefully learns to hit threes).
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Post#528 » by MF23 » Fri May 20, 2011 4:58 pm

closg00 wrote:How's this for a tweet, Scott Schroeder:

Scout just told me USC's Nikola Vucevic impressed him more than Enes Kanter at this morning's workout. Didn't expect that.




That's nice that people have their perspectives but Kanter is a better prospect.

My gut tells me the Wizards are moving up to select Kanter.

2 things: He publicly declared he wants Washington and he fits well with Wall and McGee.

Personally I think Kanter is a real good kid who will work hard. I definitely think he'll be a solid role player in the NBA. Beyond that I really can't tell because I haven't seen him enough.
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Post#529 » by closg00 » Fri May 20, 2011 4:59 pm

We have a fall-back plan then, Leonard @ 6, Nikola @ 18 :clap: Rico, get on the phone, we know you and Ernie are close :)
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Post#530 » by Hoopalotta » Fri May 20, 2011 5:06 pm

We should have realized how big and long Vucevic was just from the picture on his DX page:

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Williams is basically Michael Beasley sized, so yeah, that's a big ole boy there.
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Post#531 » by nate33 » Fri May 20, 2011 5:13 pm

closg00 wrote:We have a fall-back plan then, Leonard @ 6, Nikola @ 18 :clap: Rico, get on the phone, we know you and Ernie are close :)

Yup. I can live with that. If we draft Leonard at #6, I'd want a jumpshooting big man at #18. Vucevic or Markieff Morris would be nice.
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Post#532 » by 20MexicanosIn1Van » Fri May 20, 2011 5:19 pm

Derrick Williams still thinks he is a 3 in this league. Of course it doesn't matter what he thinks, it matters what the coaches tell him. I'm kinda glad we didn't get the #2 pick because I just don't think Derrick Williams is going to be that good. I am not a fan of tweeners unless they are coming off the bench. If we can package #6 and #18 to move up to #3 and take Enes, I'll be happy.

Or, if we keep the picks and select Leonard at #6 and Vucevic at #18 that would be sick. Vucevic at #18 would be a steal, but I don't think he falls down to #18. There may not be many stars in this draft, but it's looking like their will be a lot of solid role players available and you need role players.
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Post#533 » by Ruzious » Fri May 20, 2011 5:20 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:We have a fall-back plan then, Leonard @ 6, Nikola @ 18 :clap: Rico, get on the phone, we know you and Ernie are close :)

Yup. I can live with that. If we draft Leonard at #6, I'd want a jumpshooting big man at #18. Vucevic or Markieff Morris would be nice.

Fall-back as in fall back? I mean, it could certainly be worse, but it's kinda B-/C+ish.
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Post#534 » by Mizerooskie » Fri May 20, 2011 5:25 pm

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nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:We have a fall-back plan then, Leonard @ 6, Nikola @ 18 :clap: Rico, get on the phone, we know you and Ernie are close :)

Yup. I can live with that. If we draft Leonard at #6, I'd want a jumpshooting big man at #18. Vucevic or Markieff Morris would be nice.

Fall-back as in fall back? I mean, it could certainly be worse, but it's kinda B-/C+ish.

Everything in this draft is going to be B-/C+ish.
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Post#535 » by KevinFCheng » Fri May 20, 2011 5:53 pm

We must get Kanter some how, either move up or pray he falls to us. He refused to interview with Utah and Toronto because he really wants to be a Wizard. Get him! He's definitely the best player in the draft along with Williams.
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Post#536 » by doclinkin » Fri May 20, 2011 6:35 pm

no D in Hibachi wrote:I'm not sure why Chad Ford is so enamored with Leonards huge hands. With large hands there comes a point of deminishing returns and having abnormally large hands usually hinders just as much as it helps. The four players I can think of off the top of my head with abnormally large hands are Rando, Shaq, Tractor Trayler, & Dr. J. None of them can/could shoot worth a hill of beans.


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Post#537 » by hegotgame132 » Fri May 20, 2011 6:55 pm

Kanter is refusing to interview with other teams...
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Post#538 » by fishercob » Fri May 20, 2011 7:02 pm

hegotgame132 wrote:Kanter is refusing to interview with other teams...

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Post#540 » by Rafael122 » Fri May 20, 2011 7:10 pm

Wouldn't it be awful if Enes didn't interview with other teams, we pick him and he ends up a bust anyway?
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