Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[SJSF]

Varejao isn't good enough, he's just someone that Lebron helped to make plenty of money. There is no Lebron here to cover for his lack of talent. Combine that with his contract and season ending injury, now he is a player with negative trade value. What happens if he isn't 100%? He's a career 7 and 7 player healthy.

Iggy isn't worth as much as you think he is. And being able to dump him for a decent center that has a good cap number is what you need to do. Trading him for another bloated contract, especially with the CBA changing, isn't wise.

Why are you concerned with Iguodala's cap number? Have a free agent in mind that you want to sign? If not, no need to weaken the talent on the team in pursuit of being thrifty. IMO Varejao is a bloated contract right now. He's due $25 million over the next 3 seasons and he's a bum coming off a serious injury that may render him as a Speights type player that isn't even worth 15 minutes per game.

Obviously you have no idea how to build a winner. You can't have big bloated contracts on your team when your trying to win. Unless those contracts are star/franchise players. And some players at certain positions are worth more than others. A decent center is worth more then a decent wing player. And a good wing player like Iggy isn't worth 15m when he isn't going to be a game changer. He is a nice role player. But at that coin, you need a player that can score 30 points on a given night. Vareajao actually is worth 7-8m for being a decent center. rather give him that then Hawes 4m.

[Kobblehead]

You can't have big bloated contracts on your team when your trying to win. Unless those contracts are star/franchise players.

This is a point that I don't think the pro Iguodala people will EVER understand. I think they think it's magically possible to acquire a star with contracts like that on the existing payroll.

[Point-God]

Why are you concerned with Iguodala's cap number? Have a free agent in mind that you want to sign? If not, no need to weaken the talent on the team in pursuit of being thrifty. IMO Varejao is a bloated contract right now. He's due $25 million over the next 3 seasons and he's a bum coming off a serious injury that may render him as a Speights type player that isn't even worth 15 minutes per game.

Obviously you have no idea how to build a winner. You can't have big bloated contracts on your team when your trying to win. Unless those contracts are star/franchise players. And some players at certain positions are worth more than others. A decent center is worth more then a decent wing player. And a good wing player like Iggy isn't worth 15m when he isn't going to be a game changer. He is a nice role player. But at that coin, you need a player that can score 30 points on a given night. Vareajao actually is worth 7-8m for being a decent center. rather give him that then Hawes 4m.[/quote]

Are you suggesting that Varejao is a winner? Cleveland looked lost without Lebron to me. The Sixers have Iguodala & Brand as bloated contracts, getting rid of the lessor contract and better player of the two doesn't help. Trading Iguodala for Varejao would place the Sixers over the salary cap next season if the NBA goes with a $45 million hard cap which means the Sixers couldn't even sign an MLE player. If the salary cap next season remains the same as this season the Sixers would be like $9 million under the cap after the Iguodala trade and before extending Thad. What happens now? Do the Sixers sign a free agent with the $9 million? What free agent is available? After trading Iguodala the Sixers don't have a player outside of Jrue that people want. There is no positive direction to go towards after trading Iguodala for a bum that isn't a completely expiring contract. You have to trade Iguodala for a player that will improve your team either immediately or very soon. Improve means advancing past the 1st round of the playoffs. Improve doesn't mean winning more regular season games while still being a 1st round exit. Varejao, Brand, Turner, Meeks, and Jrue do not get the Sixers out of the 1st round of the playoffs. So what free agents are available to spend the $9 million on? Jamal Crawford? Kenyon Martin? J.R. Smith? Tayshaun Prince? Nene Hilario? Any superstars there? Any stars? None will get the Sixers out of the 1st round in the absence of Iguodala and addition of Varejao...

[SJSF]

You are not going to get an elite player for Iggy. He is not worth it. And if you think crippling your salary cap with his contract makes you a better team in the next 3 years, your nuts. You can easily replace his points and stats with another player at a lesser number. And right now, this team needs front court help. Varejao is as much as a winner as Iggy is. What has Iggy ever won? And honestly, Varejao is an upgrade in the front court considering what we have there right now. If you think that Hawes is the center that will help you get to the next level. LOL.

And to say Iggy is a better player then Brand is absurb. I take it you didn't watch the Sixers this year. Brand was the only consistent thing on this team.

Also, Thad won't be extended. He is a tweener. And is easily replaceable. Unless you get him for 4-5m.

Please get it throw your head, that Iggy isn't a game changer or an elite player and he is very much so replaceable on this team. He is not an all-star. Or never will be.

[SJSF]

You can't have big bloated contracts on your team when your trying to win. Unless those contracts are star/franchise players.

This is a point that I don't think the pro Iguodala people will EVER understand. I think they think it's magically possible to acquire a star with contracts like that on the existing payroll.

I don't know how else to get it through to some people. You can't operate how the KNicks did under Thomas. You can't have dead space/ or bloated contracts on your roster that are not worth what they produce. And some positions on the court are more important then others. You need big men that can defend the paint and rebound. Wing players are easy to come by. And PG's are certainly just as important as big men. This world is full of 6'4-6'7 guys that can run and jump and also defend.

[Point-God]

You are not going to get an elite player for Iggy. He is not worth it. And if you think crippling your salary cap with his contract makes you a better team in the next 3 years, your nuts. You can easily replace his points and stats with another player at a lesser number. And right now, this team needs front court help. Varejao is as much as a winner as Iggy is. What has Iggy ever won? And honestly, Varejao is an upgrade in the front court considering what we have there right now. If you think that Hawes is the center that will help you get to the next level. LOL.

And to say Iggy is a better player then Brand is absurb. I take it you didn't watch the Sixers this year. Brand was the only consistent thing on this team.

Also, Thad won't be extended. He is a tweener. And is easily replaceable. Unless you get him for 4-5m.

Please get it throw your head, that Iggy isn't a game changer or an elite player and he is very much so replaceable on this team. He is not an all-star. Or never will be.

You have to have talent to get talent. Interesting that you completely avoided the salary cap and available free agents. You don't win a prize for getting under the salary cap while at the same time decreasing your talent base. No prize for that. You aren't even presenting the next step after acquiring a bum like Varejao who is coming off a serious season ending injury. So you save money by trading Iguodala, short changing Thad, and then what? Is it Dwight Howard you are planning to get? Sure he'd like to come here to play with Brand, Varejao, Turner, and Jrue.

[Point-God]

You can't have big bloated contracts on your team when your trying to win. Unless those contracts are star/franchise players.

This is a point that I don't think the pro Iguodala people will EVER understand. I think they think it's magically possible to acquire a star with contracts like that on the existing payroll.

I don't know how else to get it through to some people. You can't operate how the KNicks did under Thomas.

Thomas traded away numerous 1st round picks (Noah and Aldridge would have been 2 of the players), gave away several huge free agent contracts, and traded for several huge contracts. That's nothing like what the Sixers have done who have a roster full of players they developed + Brand.

[Mr Loggins]

Are you suggesting that Varejao is a winner? Cleveland looked lost without Lebron to me. The Sixers have Iguodala & Brand as bloated contracts, getting rid of the lessor contract and better player of the two doesn't help. Trading Iguodala for Varejao would place the Sixers over the salary cap next season if the NBA goes with a $45 million hard cap which means the Sixers couldn't even sign an MLE player. If the salary cap next season remains the same as this season the Sixers would be like $9 million under the cap after the Iguodala trade and before extending Thad. What happens now? Do the Sixers sign a free agent with the $9 million? What free agent is available? After trading Iguodala the Sixers don't have a player outside of Jrue that people want. There is no positive direction to go towards after trading Iguodala for a bum that isn't a completely expiring contract. You have to trade Iguodala for a player that will improve your team either immediately or very soon. Improve means advancing past the 1st round of the playoffs. Improve doesn't mean winning more regular season games while still being a 1st round exit. Varejao, Brand, Turner, Meeks, and Jrue do not get the Sixers out of the 1st round of the playoffs. So what free agents are available to spend the $9 million on? Jamal Crawford? Kenyon Martin? J.R. Smith? Tayshaun Prince? Nene Hilario? Any superstars there? Any stars? None will get the Sixers out of the 1st round in the absence of Iguodala and addition of Varejao...

Basically, you've just summed up then that the 76ers, as presnetly consutrcuted, have no shot to compete for a title.

screwed with Iguadala, screwed without Iguadala.

Best to try to dump him and his bloated slary and rebuild around Turner.

[Kobblehead]

The Sixers are far from screwed without Iguodala. He's really not as irreplaceable as people are making him out to be. Quite the contrary.

[Point-God]

Are you suggesting that Varejao is a winner? Cleveland looked lost without Lebron to me. The Sixers have Iguodala & Brand as bloated contracts, getting rid of the lessor contract and better player of the two doesn't help. Trading Iguodala for Varejao would place the Sixers over the salary cap next season if the NBA goes with a $45 million hard cap which means the Sixers couldn't even sign an MLE player. If the salary cap next season remains the same as this season the Sixers would be like $9 million under the cap after the Iguodala trade and before extending Thad. What happens now? Do the Sixers sign a free agent with the $9 million? What free agent is available? After trading Iguodala the Sixers don't have a player outside of Jrue that people want. There is no positive direction to go towards after trading Iguodala for a bum that isn't a completely expiring contract. You have to trade Iguodala for a player that will improve your team either immediately or very soon. Improve means advancing past the 1st round of the playoffs. Improve doesn't mean winning more regular season games while still being a 1st round exit. Varejao, Brand, Turner, Meeks, and Jrue do not get the Sixers out of the 1st round of the playoffs. So what free agents are available to spend the $9 million on? Jamal Crawford? Kenyon Martin? J.R. Smith? Tayshaun Prince? Nene Hilario? Any superstars there? Any stars? None will get the Sixers out of the 1st round in the absence of Iguodala and addition of Varejao...

Basically, you've just summed up then that the 76ers, as presnetly consutrcuted, have no shot to compete for a title.

screwed with Iguadala, screwed without Iguadala.

Best to try to dump him and his bloated slary and rebuild around Turner.

Screwed with Iguodala? The Sixers made the playoffs, the idea is to improve. Trading away Iguodala for a bum coming off a serious injury doesn't improve the team. The Sixers just drafted a player #2 overall, how did that work out? It's like some of you want to tank without coming out and saying it or get under the salary cap to sign Dwight without coming out and saying it. Dwight is not coming to Philly!

[tk76]

Yeah, Dwight Howard is not walking through that door...

[P2K]

Screwed with Iguodala? The Sixers made the playoffs, the idea is to improve. Trading away Iguodala for a bum coming off a serious injury doesn't improve the team. The Sixers just drafted a player #2 overall, how did that work out? It's like some of you want to tank without coming out and saying it or get under the salary cap to sign Dwight without coming out and saying it. Dwight is not coming to Philly!

What is it with this knuckleheaded thinking that because the Howards, Lebrons and so on aren't coming to our team, it means this franchise should instead load up on salaries of mediocre talent in order to stay a 7th-8th seed?

If your team isn't a legit title contender and the core of the team is nowhere being set or a mish-mosh of **** like ours, getting under the cap would be ideal. NO, NOT FOR FREE AGENTS. But, to have total flexibility just in case.

[SJSF]

Yeah, Dwight Howard is not walking through that door...

maybe to watch a Phillies game he is?

[Bring Back 1983]

I don't necessarily advocate obtaining Varejao, not because he's horrible, but I just don't see him as an ideal fit for us. I do think comparing Iguodala's contract and other expensive contracts like Elton Brand is apples and oranges. We are NOT getting fair value in any trade that would happen before the 2013 All-Star Game for Brand. Period. There are way too many expiring contracts across the league for someone to be pining for him until they are in full dump mode mid-way through the 2012-13 season.

We can get fair value for Iguodala, but not necessarily from every team, or maybe even half the teams in the league. Teams like Golden State, Sacramento and Minnesota would love what he brings because they either have a roster full of gunners or wouldn't know a defensive stop if it hit them in the head. A team like Memphis, who has a far superior offensive player at his position (ignore the stats and watch the skill set when they play) with other defensive options on the wing, is not pressed at all.

I say that to say, trading Iguodala may not (and will not) get you Dwight Howard via free agency. But getting reasonable value (a big prospect or a true 20 ppg scoring option) with salary flexibility allows you to make a move to acquire a guy who is made available for salary reasons when you are ready to make a run at contending. I don't think the Sixers view that run as more than a year and a half away.

[SJSF]

They only made the playoffs with Iggy because they are in the east. 40 wins is not something to brag about. We made the playoffs with Iggy. LOL If they took that money and added 1 or 2 players with it. They would be a better team. Iggy isn't LeBron where you lose a player like that and your franchise goes down. Losing Iggy and letting Turner and Jrue develop would be more important then watching the " facilitator" dribble the ball and not let the better younger talented players develop. I said this about McNabb and i am saying this about Iggy. They will be fine if not better without them. Change is a good thing.

[SJSF]

I say that to say, trading Iguodala may not (and will not) get you Dwight Howard via free agency. But getting reasonable value (a big prospect or a true 20 ppg scoring option) with salary flexibility allows you to make a move to acquire a guy who is made available for salary reasons when you are ready to make a run at contending. I don't think the Sixers view that run as more than a year and a half away

Amen

[Point-God]

with salary flexibility allows you to make a move to acquire a guy who is made available for salary reasons.

The Sixers have a greater chance of acquiring CP3 or D12 than they do at acquiring a player that's better than Iguodala by way of salary dump. How many players in the history of the NBA have been better than Iguodala and were traded solely due to salary dump to a team under the cap?

[Mr Loggins]

Are you suggesting that Varejao is a winner? Cleveland looked lost without Lebron to me. The Sixers have Iguodala & Brand as bloated contracts, getting rid of the lessor contract and better player of the two doesn't help. Trading Iguodala for Varejao would place the Sixers over the salary cap next season if the NBA goes with a $45 million hard cap which means the Sixers couldn't even sign an MLE player. If the salary cap next season remains the same as this season the Sixers would be like $9 million under the cap after the Iguodala trade and before extending Thad. What happens now? Do the Sixers sign a free agent with the $9 million? What free agent is available? After trading Iguodala the Sixers don't have a player outside of Jrue that people want. There is no positive direction to go towards after trading Iguodala for a bum that isn't a completely expiring contract. You have to trade Iguodala for a player that will improve your team either immediately or very soon. Improve means advancing past the 1st round of the playoffs. Improve doesn't mean winning more regular season games while still being a 1st round exit. Varejao, Brand, Turner, Meeks, and Jrue do not get the Sixers out of the 1st round of the playoffs. So what free agents are available to spend the $9 million on? Jamal Crawford? Kenyon Martin? J.R. Smith? Tayshaun Prince? Nene Hilario? Any superstars there? Any stars? None will get the Sixers out of the 1st round in the absence of Iguodala and addition of Varejao...

Basically, you've just summed up then that the 76ers, as presnetly consutrcuted, have no shot to compete for a title.

screwed with Iguadala, screwed without Iguadala.

Best to try to dump him and his bloated slary and rebuild around Turner.

Screwed with Iguodala? The Sixers made the playoffs, the idea is to improve. Trading away Iguodala for a bum coming off a serious injury doesn't improve the team. The Sixers just drafted a player #2 overall, how did that work out? It's like some of you want to tank without coming out and saying it or get under the salary cap to sign Dwight without coming out and saying it. Dwight is not coming to Philly!

I'm not advocating trading him for Varajao (though imo Varajao at 8 million is a much better deal than Iggy at 15 million).

If you're satisfied being a 1st round exit, fine by me -- because thats what this core of Turner--Iggy--Brand is. Trading 28 year old Iggy (making 15 million a year!) is NOT going to net you a piece that will take you to the next level.

So....either lower your expectations for Iggy (ie salary dump + non-lottery 1st rounder) or just accept that you won't be challenging for a title anytime soon.

[Point-God]

So....either lower your expectations for Iggy (ie salary dump + non-lottery 1st rounder) or just accept that you won't be challenging for a title anytime soon.

I'm fine with being a 1st round exit while trying to progress by adding talent. Some people here actually pay to attend the game you know. People don't want to pay to see another 27 win season.

[Kobblehead]

If you want to get your money's worth by attending a game, go to Big 5 games. This is the pros, if you aren't building towards a championship, you're just wasting your time.