Iggy Leaving Philly!?!?

[deepblueday]

I've seen plenty of him over the years, considering he's only 31 and there's been no decline in his numbers whatsoever I have no reason to think his overall game has changed significantly. Detroit fans confirm this. Understand now?

[vincecarter4pres]

Detroit fans confirm what?

Many of them have been saying for a year or two that he isn't the same player he used to be.

I like Tay, always have, but he doesn't hold a candle to Iggy.

And Detroit fans in my opinion?

Top 5 if not top 3 homers on this site, straight up and down.

And even saying the above, if you started a comparison thread on there board between Prince and Iggy I guarantee you Andre Iguodala wins the damn thing.

I mean you've been super adamant about this the last page or two and then shrink up and back peddle and kill your whole argument by speaking the following, "I haven't see him much the last couple years", and I paraphrase.

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion on it, but I'm saying, don't get all high and mighty on us when you even have admitted you don't know and you're going off past memory of what he was.

Hell, Richard Jefferson and Jason Richardson were significantly better players just 2 or 3 seasons ago, no matter how overrated both have always been.

[deepblueday]

I dunno, my opinion is really no more adamant than those who've disagreed with me. Do you think anyone whose posted in this thread has seen much more than 15 Detroit games over the past three seasons? I've watched him play an excellent all around floor game for many years in both the regular season and the playoffs. Recently, I pretty much just see him when he plays the Nets, and even then I pay no particular attention to his defense on whatever awful SF we're starting that night. I imagine my experience is pretty similar to most Net's fans.

And I agree Andre would win that poll, as he should. He's a better, more productive player. The question is, how much better? Fundamentally, I think they're pretty interchangable... good defenders, good mid range shooters, good ballhandlers, good passers, high bball IQs, excellent 3rd or 4th guys, completely inadequate when asked to be the primary playmaker. I just think the difference between them comes in the form of degree, not tiers.

C'mon man, you know if Prince made the playoffs with some mediocre team this year, putting like 15, 5, and 3 on good percentages with typically good defense, nobody would think the gap was anywhere near this great.

[8point]

The chances of landing Iggy are slim to none but it has to be said that a DWill-Iggy backcourt would be incredible. It would instantly be one of the best, if not the best, in the league. DWill will find Iggy for cuts and dunks like he did with a much inferior Ronnie Brewer with the Jazz. Deron will make Iguodala the 20ppg player he ought to be. And Iggy could help DWill out with some of the playmaking and be our best wing defender.

On the other hand, Prince at this point would just be another role player. He’s past his prime, unlike Iggy who’s entering his prime years. I’d be OK to add Prince if there’s not much else out there, but if there’s a choice somehow to get Iggy without torpedoing the Howard hope, then you go with that. Admittedly the chances of landing Iggy are slim to none but the difference between Iggy and Prince is a potentially 20ppg star and a 14ppg role player.

[DarkXaero]

I don't mind Tayshaun though, especially if he can come cheap. He's still a decent player who will provide you with 14-15 PPG and a decent third option. I didn't get to see him much last season but stats suggest that his defense has declined. But he was a good defender at one point and perhaps on a good team, he can get back to that kind of level.

[tgo2223]

Just because someone decent might be available doesnt mean you have to want the guy. Iggy player wise, cost to get him and contract....NO THANKS. I see no point to Iggy on this team. NONE.

We just jumped in with Deron off a draft build mentality. After you do that...it means you have to think BIGGER. Iggy isnt it.

More than this, there's a guy by the name of Tayshaun Prince hitting FA this year who does everything Igoudala does but will command far less money and require no picks or prospects to acquire.

That statement is just flat out wrong. Prince aint gonna get u 6 rebs with 6 assist and less than two turnovers. And prince lateral quickness is not what it use to be and he doesnt have the strength that iggy has

[vincecarter4pres]

Just because someone decent might be available doesnt mean you have to want the guy. Iggy player wise, cost to get him and contract....NO THANKS. I see no point to Iggy on this team. NONE.

We just jumped in with Deron off a draft build mentality. After you do that...it means you have to think BIGGER. Iggy isnt it.

More than this, there's a guy by the name of Tayshaun Prince hitting FA this year who does everything Igoudala does but will command far less money and require no picks or prospects to acquire.

That statement is just flat out wrong. Prince aint gonna get u 6 rebs with 6 assist and less than two turnovers. And prince lateral quickness is not what it use to be and he doesnt have the strength that iggy has

Bingo.

[vincecarter4pres]

The chances of landing Iggy are slim to none but it has to be said that a DWill-Iggy backcourt would be incredible. It would instantly be one of the best, if not the best, in the league. DWill will find Iggy for cuts and dunks like he did with a much inferior Ronnie Brewer with the Jazz. Deron will make Iguodala the 20ppg player he ought to be. And Iggy could help DWill out with some of the playmaking and be our best wing defender.

I don't see it like that.

I see Iggy as a guy who needs the ball to be in his hands to be effective.

He not too good in the half court.

You put him in a lineup with Deron and you take away a lot of what makes him who he is and he turns into a glorified fast break player.

And that's the problem with Iggy to begin with and why I don't like him much, he needs to dominate the ball to have an impact but he's not good enough and can't shoot enough to do that.

And he's not a shooting guard, he's a small forward.

[enetric]

Who the **** overrates Tayshaun Prince? Whose even rated him at all in the past 3 years? He's been wasting away in Detroit. Revitalized, put back on a contending team, he's a 14-15 PPG role player with very good D. Exactly what Andre Igoudala is when he plays on a good team.

Who is overrating him? I am pretty sure everyone on this board is about to say...YOU ARE.

He isnt close to an Iggy. Yes its a big gap. Prince? Think Marion...NOW...AK..NOW. Not then. Then when Tay was better but overrated....those guys were miles better as well.

Can Pince score 15? Sure. Since he is the guy you would double off of. But make him a go to guy...he would be a disaster. You shouldnt make your judgements on PPG. Terrible way to do it. There are a lot of NBA player who can drop 20 a night if they get 15-20 touches a night.

Sorry man. No idea why you think this highly of Tay Prince. He just isnt all that. I would trade Outlaw for him though! (Although I wouldnt expect much of a turn around to the team anyway).

[jeff1624]

Who the **** overrates Tayshaun Prince? Whose even rated him at all in the past 3 years? He's been wasting away in Detroit. Revitalized, put back on a contending team, he's a 14-15 PPG role player with very good D. Exactly what Andre Igoudala is when he plays on a good team.

Who is overrating him? I am pretty sure everyone on this board is about to say...YOU ARE.

He isnt close to an Iggy. Yes its a big gap. Prince? Think Marion...NOW...AK..NOW. Not then. Then when Tay was better but overrated....those guys were miles better as well.

Can Pince score 15? Sure. Since he is the guy you would double off of. But make him a go to guy...he would be a disaster. You shouldnt make your judgements on PPG. Terrible way to do it. There are a lot of NBA player who can drop 20 a night if they get 15-20 touches a night.

Sorry man. No idea why you think this highly of Tay Prince. He just isnt all that. I would trade Outlaw for him though! (Although I wouldnt expect much of a turn around to the team anyway).

The same can be said about Igoudala though. He isn't a go to guy and has shown that ever since Philly traded Iverson away. He's a third option at best and if we were to trade him, one of the bigger advantages he has over Prince would be his play making since we wouldn't need him to handle the ball what with D-Will here. I think Prince would be the better option even though he's the lesser player because he would understand his role. One of Igoudala's problems is that he think he's better than he is and would certainly demand more touches than Prince would if he were here.

[enetric]

I dunno, my opinion is really no more adamant than those who've disagreed with me. Do you think anyone whose posted in this thread has seen much more than 15 Detroit games over the past three seasons? I've watched him play an excellent all around floor game for many years in both the regular season and the playoffs. Recently, I pretty much just see him when he plays the Nets, and even then I pay no particular attention to his defense on whatever awful SF we're starting that night. I imagine my experience is pretty similar to most Net's fans.

And I agree Andre would win that poll, as he should. He's a better, more productive player. The question is, how much better? Fundamentally, I think they're pretty interchangable... good defenders, good mid range shooters, good ballhandlers, good passers, high bball IQs, excellent 3rd or 4th guys, completely inadequate when asked to be the primary playmaker. I just think the difference between them comes in the form of degree, not tiers.

C'mon man, you know if Prince made the playoffs with some mediocre team this year, putting like 15, 5, and 3 on good percentages with typically good defense, nobody would think the gap was anywhere near this great.

Because IGGY (typo corrected) is considerablly better in every single one of those skill sets except for two. He isnt a great shooter...but he is a scorer. Prince has a nice set shot and if the D is paying attention to everyone else...he can get his which is great. But Iggy is a guy you pay attention to because he can self create off his dribble. Tay at his best was NEVER that kind of player. The other area Iggy is not miles better is D...the area Prince WAS known for. But now I would say they are both solid defenders. No major edge there either way. Everything else...Iggy is yes...absolutely MUCH better.

I will be honest. Even if you had seen Tay play more. I have no idea who you are speaking about. The Tay you are describing didnt exist even when the Pistons were good. He is a nice guy to have. If I had a contending team where all major offensive roles were fillled and I was just looking for a guy to do the dirty work plus come up with a big bucket off open looks once in a while...sure...nice piece even at this point. But we arent that. And he makes little sense for us.

I respect Tay because he can do more with less. But make no mistake...he is LESS than you are giving him credit for.

[enetric]

The chances of landing Iggy are slim to none but it has to be said that a DWill-Iggy backcourt would be incredible. It would instantly be one of the best, if not the best, in the league. DWill will find Iggy for cuts and dunks like he did with a much inferior Ronnie Brewer with the Jazz. Deron will make Iguodala the 20ppg player he ought to be. And Iggy could help DWill out with some of the playmaking and be our best wing defender.

I don't see it like that.

I see Iggy as a guy who needs the ball to be in his hands to be effective.

He not too good in the half court.

You put him in a lineup with Deron and you take away a lot of what makes him who he is and he turns into a glorified fast break player.

And that's the problem with Iggy to begin with and why I don't like him much, he needs to dominate the ball to have an impact but he's not good enough and can't shoot enough to do that.

And he's not a shooting guard, he's a small forward.

We are in the same boat here. We are forced to defend Iggy fairly based on the comment we read...but we agree not the guy we want either.

[enetric]

Who the **** overrates Tayshaun Prince? Whose even rated him at all in the past 3 years? He's been wasting away in Detroit. Revitalized, put back on a contending team, he's a 14-15 PPG role player with very good D. Exactly what Andre Igoudala is when he plays on a good team.

Who is overrating him? I am pretty sure everyone on this board is about to say...YOU ARE.

He isnt close to an Iggy. Yes its a big gap. Prince? Think Marion...NOW...AK..NOW. Not then. Then when Tay was better but overrated....those guys were miles better as well.

Can Pince score 15? Sure. Since he is the guy you would double off of. But make him a go to guy...he would be a disaster. You shouldnt make your judgements on PPG. Terrible way to do it. There are a lot of NBA player who can drop 20 a night if they get 15-20 touches a night.

Sorry man. No idea why you think this highly of Tay Prince. He just isnt all that. I would trade Outlaw for him though! (Although I wouldnt expect much of a turn around to the team anyway).

The same can be said about Igoudala though. He isn't a go to guy and has shown that ever since Philly traded Iverson away. He's a third option at best and if we were to trade him, one of the bigger advantages he has over Prince would be his play making since we wouldn't need him to handle the ball what with D-Will here. I think Prince would be the better option even though he's the lesser player because he would understand his role. One of Igoudala's problems is that he think he's better than he is and would certainly demand more touches than Prince would if he were here.

Jeff...i dont WANT Iggy either. I was just forced to respond to the idea that their isnt a big gap between these two players. Fit wise? Yes I agree. Iggy isnt ideal. As for Tay? He isnt going to fit in either. You think he would...but we are still miles away for a guy like to make an impact. Is it worth any cap flexibility to get him?

At his best he was the 6th best player on a championship team that had no true superstar. Think about that. Seriously...he was the 5th best starter on that team and Okur was coming off the bench was absolutely better.

Guys like him get overrated all the time. Not comparing now...but look at Perkins. Because he was part of the Celtics identity people made a big whoop about them dealing him. Seriously? At his best he was a hard working rebounder with hands of stone. Undersized for the center spot and truly a dime a dozen in this league. They got Jeff Green and Nenad for him! Nenad gave them a stretch big which they dont have and when healthy was BETTER than Perkins. Green was a steal. But Perkins..."a name you know" they made such a big deal out of. Even after he missed most a year with a blown knee!

My point is...There will be people to this day who make Horace Grant out to be something special. BJ Armstrong the unsung hero. Guys who come up big in for winners....people remember that. it helps to inflate the reality of him. Hell...we have done it to over the years!!!

Veal after that big playoff game? Dont even bring up Atrain to JJ...or Boki to almost anyone on this board!!!! Fans LOVE their lunch pail players. To this day people in NY will not only ooze love for Oakley...there are plenty who will tell you he was better than Ewing.

Its just how it is.

[tgo2223]

What most people dont realize about iggy is that hes a better than avg spot up shooter. But on this sixers team he has to do to much at times. Theres always a few possessions a game that he has the ball thrown to him with 2secs on the shot clock because one of our younger guy got gun shy or after a bad possession when thats the only time he touches the ball. Then theres times where the offense stalls and hes forced to take bad with the defense crowding him because the young guys asses get tight. On your team i believe he would easily be a 20ppg scorer. He avg 19.9 a few years ago when we had a vet pg in andre miller and williams way better than him. and u guys have a low Post treat already

[8point]

The chances of landing Iggy are slim to none but it has to be said that a DWill-Iggy backcourt would be incredible. It would instantly be one of the best, if not the best, in the league. DWill will find Iggy for cuts and dunks like he did with a much inferior Ronnie Brewer with the Jazz. Deron will make Iguodala the 20ppg player he ought to be. And Iggy could help DWill out with some of the playmaking and be our best wing defender.

You put him in a lineup with Deron and you take away a lot of what makes him who he is and he turns into a glorified fast break player.

And that's the problem with Iggy to begin with and why I don't like him much, he needs to dominate the ball to have an impact but he's not good enough and can't shoot enough to do that.

Iggy hasn't played with a quality true PG like Deron. Iggy will learn to trust Deron that the ball will get to him at the right place and at the right time. Deron could make Iggy a 20ppg player if given the chance.

For a PG, Deron also isn't as ball-dominant like say Chris Paul who needs to be dribbling and dribbling. DWill's willing to give up the ball and let a secondary playmaker (like AK or even the better passing big men with the Jazz) so he can play off the ball too. Iggy's one of the better passing wings out there and he'll be a good complement to DWill in that regard. And you'll see, when Deron's at full strength, he's deceptively quick and likes to run too.

And he's not a shooting guard, he's a small forward.

Those two positions would be interchangeable with Iggy. If there's a weaker wing with him, he'll be the 3. If there's a taller wing, he'll be the 2.

[tgo2223]

The chances of landing Iggy are slim to none but it has to be said that a DWill-Iggy backcourt would be incredible. It would instantly be one of the best, if not the best, in the league. DWill will find Iggy for cuts and dunks like he did with a much inferior Ronnie Brewer with the Jazz. Deron will make Iguodala the 20ppg player he ought to be. And Iggy could help DWill out with some of the playmaking and be our best wing defender.

You put him in a lineup with Deron and you take away a lot of what makes him who he is and he turns into a glorified fast break player.

And that's the problem with Iggy to begin with and why I don't like him much, he needs to dominate the ball to have an impact but he's not good enough and can't shoot enough to do that.

Iggy hasn't played with a quality true PG like Deron. Iggy will learn to trust Deron that the ball will get to him at the right place and at the right time. Deron could make Iggy a 20ppg player if given the chance.
Great point
For a PG, Deron also isn't as ball-dominant like say Chris Paul who needs to be dribbling and dribbling. DWill's willing to give up the ball and let a secondary playmaker (like AK or even the better passing big men with the Jazz) so he can play off the ball too. Iggy's one of the better passing wings out there and he'll be a good complement to DWill in that regard. And you'll see, when Deron's at full strength, he's deceptively quick and likes to run too.

And he's not a shooting guard, he's a small forward.

Those two positions would be interchangeable with Iggy. If there's a weaker wing with him, he'll be the 3. If there's a taller wing, he'll be the 2.

[halfHAVOC]

iggy needs to work on his jumper and confidence.

i dont see him being better with a quality PG, especially in the halfcourt because hes not a guy that can come off screens and nail jumpers consistently.

I think we need a guy who can not only score off the bounce on his own, but can come off screens and knock down jumpers.

[8point]

i dont see him being better with a quality PG, especially in the halfcourt because hes not a guy that can come off screens and nail jumpers consistently.

I think we need a guy who can not only score off the bounce on his own, but can come off screens and knock down jumpers.

If there's that perfect wing you describe, let's go for it. But this team could also use a slasher, whether or not that's Iggy, somebody who can help draw attention away from Deron and Brook. All the current wings settle too often for jumpers, probably because they have little to no slashing ability.