Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[SJSF]

with salary flexibility allows you to make a move to acquire a guy who is made available for salary reasons.

The Sixers have a greater chance of acquiring CP3 or D12 than they do at acquiring a player that's better than Iguodala by way of salary dump. How many players in the history of the NBA have been better than Iguodala and were traded solely due to salary dump to a team under the cap?

Ray Allen from the Sonics to the Celts. Kevin Garnett via from the Wolves to the Celts. Do i need to go on? Both players were dumped for youth and draft picks. Both teams took back less money in contracts. It is done all the time.

[SJSF]

So....either lower your expectations for Iggy (ie salary dump + non-lottery 1st rounder) or just accept that you won't be challenging for a title anytime soon.

I'm fine with being a 1st round exit while trying to progress by adding talent. Some people here actually pay to attend the game you know. People don't want to pay to see another 27 win season.

Well most Philly guys want championships. THats what all that matters. No one cares that they made the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years and got knocked out. But everyone on this site remembers the 83 Sixers. No one talks about the 2001 Sixers. How many people on here have something about the 83 Sixers in their names. To me being satisfied being a loser is just not acceptable. I also go to the games all the time. Usually 5-7 a year. And i want a championship, not to see some lame team that never is going to get better by being complacement.

[Housh]

with salary flexibility allows you to make a move to acquire a guy who is made available for salary reasons.

The Sixers have a greater chance of acquiring CP3 or D12 than they do at acquiring a player that's better than Iguodala by way of salary dump. How many players in the history of the NBA have been better than Iguodala and were traded solely due to salary dump to a team under the cap?

Ray Allen from the Sonics to the Celts. Kevin Garnett via from the Wolves to the Celts. Do i need to go on? Both players were dumped for youth and draft picks. Both teams took back less money in contracts. It is done all the time.

While it's true that Boston took on money in those deals, it was only within the 125% allowed by the rules. In the Garnett trade, Ratliff's 11.6 was included to make the difference between Garnett and Jefferson, Green, and Gomes. With Allen, it was Szczerbiak's 11.8 and West's 4.3. Boston was over the cap going into that offseason.

Which isn't to say I wouldn't like some cap flexibility.

[Point-God]

with salary flexibility allows you to make a move to acquire a guy who is made available for salary reasons.

The Sixers have a greater chance of acquiring CP3 or D12 than they do at acquiring a player that's better than Iguodala by way of salary dump. How many players in the history of the NBA have been better than Iguodala and were traded solely due to salary dump to a team under the cap?

Ray Allen from the Sonics to the Celts. Kevin Garnett via from the Wolves to the Celts. Do i need to go on? Both players were dumped for youth and draft picks. Both teams took back less money in contracts. It is done all the time.

"Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota's conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. Minnesota also receives cash considerations in the deal. "

That's for what Garnett was traded. After trading Iguodala the Sixers don't have the talent to put together a package like that above based upon how those players were valued at the time. You are characterizing the Garnett and Ray Allen trades as salary dumps. Those two teams acquired valuable pieces in return for their Superstars.

"The Boston Celtics acquired guard Ray Allen from the Seattle Supersonics on Thursday night for Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak and the rights to the 2007 NBA Draft's No. 5 overall pick "

The Sixers can barely even put together the above package based upon how the players were valued at the time.

Those above deals are what we call NBA trades. No salary dumping took place. Were those trades doable because one team was under the cap? Yes, but a salary dump isn't what happened there so you need to find a better example of a team getting rid of a star NBA player where the greatest benefit clearly is removing the player's salary from the team.

[corwin]

Well most Philly guys want championships. THats what all that matters. No one cares that they made the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years and got knocked out. But everyone on this site remembers the 83 Sixers. No one talks about the 2001 Sixers. How many people on here have something about the 83 Sixers in their names. To me being satisfied being a loser is just not acceptable. I also go to the games all the time. Usually 5-7 a year. And i want a championship, not to see some lame team that never is going to get better by being complacement.

Well said and that is the problem in the nutshell with COMCAST. They seem to be satisfied with free programming that fans will tune in to so long as the team is competitive. Sure, they'd love to have a championship team (more revenue) but that does not appear to be their main objective.

[Point-God]

I also go to the games all the time. Usually 5-7 a year.

Let me guess, when the absolute best teams and your favorite players come to town?
So a couple years ago it would have been Spurs, Lakers, Boston, Cavs then you might come out to see Dirk, Melo, and Wade play.

You have fans that go to see the Sixers perform and the other team/players are secondary. For those people they want to see the Sixers do well and improve, not tank and gamble on getting some sort of super star with a high draft pick or "salary dump" that exists more prominently in the minds of fans than in reality.

[NinaC]

So....either lower your expectations for Iggy (ie salary dump + non-lottery 1st rounder) or just accept that you won't be challenging for a title anytime soon.

I'm fine with being a 1st round exit while trying to progress by adding talent. Some people here actually pay to attend the game you know. People don't want to pay to see another 27 win season.

I think you make a big and hopefully incorrect assumption that the Sixers will be a 27 win team without Iggy. The Sixers were a 27 win team WITH Iggy...have you forgotten that? Best case scenario in the 7 years Iggy has been here...4 of which he was the go-to face-of-the franchise was this season's 41 wins and whopping .500 record. The team that you're satisfied with can't become appreciably better until Stefanski's 5-year financial team building plan expires in 2014. Why wait???

[Point-God]

I think you make a big and hopefully incorrect assumption that the Sixers will be a 27 win team without Iggy. The Sixers were a 27 win team WITH Iggy...have you forgotten that?

I don't believe that. The Sixers were a 27 win team with Louis Williams starting games at point guard, the absence of Andre Miller, and Elton Brand in and out of the starting lineup with a 3.5 winshare. The Sixers made the playoffs two straight seasons with Andre Miller and Iguodala as the featured players. This past season Elton Brand finally came to the party providing a 9.4 winshare, Louis Williams confined to the bench and Jrue Holiday improving. You shouldn't have the expectations that Iguodala needs to carry this team on his back. Oh yeah and there was a little coaching change as well where a certain guy was a one and done joke as well as the addition of a new team president.

[NinaC]

I think you make a big and hopefully incorrect assumption that the Sixers will be a 27 win team without Iggy. The Sixers were a 27 win team WITH Iggy...have you forgotten that?

I don't believe that. The Sixers were a 27 win team with Louis Williams starting games at point guard, the absence of Andre Miller, and Elton Brand in and out of the starting lineup with a 3.5 winshare. The Sixers made the playoffs two straight seasons with Andre Miller and Iguodala as the featured players. This past season Elton Brand finally came to the party providing a 9.4 winshare, Louis Williams confined to the bench and Jrue Holiday improving. You shouldn't have the expectations that Iguodala needs to carry this team on his back. Oh yeah and there was a little coaching change as well where a certain guy was a one and done joke as well as the addition of a new team president.

I don't expect that Iggy will ever carry this team on his back for even a game....but it's 4 years later and that's what the FO was hoping for...4 coaches including a really Iggy-enthused Doug Collins tried. We're a hard-working mostly young team with a good coach, but there are huge holes to fill and Iggy's salary is in the way. His role going forward if he stays, is not what he signed the $80 mil contract for and the Sixers are stuck in the middle.

[tgo2223]

^^^ Thank you NinaC

[Point-God]

Iggy's salary is in the way.

Now this is where the dialog degenerates because basketball fans in general like yourself resort to fanciful replies not based in reality. So you trade Iggy's salary, and then what? Here's the list of 2011 unrestricted free agents.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... ents-11-12


Now that you've seen the 2011 free agents, there will be no free agency before a CBA is reached. So what if the salary cap is much lower? Most likely that means the difference in money between the cap relief received in dealing Varejao for Igoudala will be reduced. So we could potentially be talking about a scenario where the Sixers are over the cap with Iggy or with Varejao.

To finish my initial statement at the top of this post, there is no prize for simply cutting salary and getting under the cap. So you are looking for a Garnett deal? Where is your young big man? The Sixers don't have one.

[Kobblehead]

there is no prize for simply cutting salary and getting under the cap.

Wrong. Getting under the cap allows freedom for multiple scenarios to unfold. I'm like the 4th different person to try to explain this to you in this thread.

[Point-God]

there is no prize for simply cutting salary and getting under the cap.

Wrong. Getting under the cap allows freedom for multiple scenarios to unfold. I'm like the 4th different person to try to explain this to you in this thread.

Okay fine, I'll ask again, what scenarios? Give specific examples within the last 5 seasons.

[bryanwithawhy]

Would anyone do this trade?

Iggy and Holiday for Biedrins and Curry


PG- Stephen Curry
SG- Evan Turner
SF- Thad Young
PF- Elton Brand
C- Adris Biedrins


Steph Curry is the perfect complement to Turner.

[BringBackKorver]

No chance.

[bryanwithawhy]

I'd do it.

[Sixersftw]

holiday = curry
iguodala =/= Biedrins.

[Point-God]

Steph Curry would have to developed into Steve Nash for that trade to be worth it. Adris Biedrins presence on a team brings down the quality of play. He's just a complete negative.

[Point-God]

holiday = curry
iguodala =/= Biedrins.

Both are wrong.

[bryanwithawhy]

holiday = curry
iguodala =/= Biedrins.

Curry is wayyyyyyyy better than Holiday. Not even close.